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Subject: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:00 PM Well the steel head (rainbow trout) are running. I bet I caught 25 of them and one monster 34 inch brown Trout. I kept one small rainbow 21 inches for my neighbor lady who wanted some fresh trout. All of them were big guys. Great fighters. They are in the harbor cause the ice just came off |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:31 PM Should be good -- they're cold water fish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:32 PM Good fun. I wish I was yer next door neighbour! I loikes me trout eh? >;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:37 PM Wish you were here all ya need is a pole and a blue cleo spoon lure. Guys were using bait and getting nothing. The spoon is a killer fer sure loads of fun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: frogprince Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:18 PM Now how did I know that this was a Dan thread... Our local store has rainbow that are good eatin', but not quite like pulled out of the water and tossed in the pan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:24 PM I wish I could get them to you, so dang expense to ship. I am allowed 3 a day but I probably catch and release a couple dozen a day and they are all beautiful. There are chunks of ice floating on the lake and the water is very cold. Perfect eating fish. I don't care for fish so I don't keep them unless it is for someone like the lady next door that asked me. The really big ones get fishy. It's the 20 or so size that everyone goes nuts over here. That monster brown Trout would probably be pretty strong tasting |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:26 PM If there ain't fishing in heaven, I ain't going cause old dogs and fishing is heaven to me |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:31 PM I go out tomorrow evening and take some pics for you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:35 PM In the Pacific Northwest steelhead (Oncorhynchus mykiss) are a large game fish that come in the size of many wild salmon. Rainbow trout are wild but can also be pond raised, so I see them for sale in stores but never buy them because pond raised have no flavor. The rainbows we caught were in the 8 oz to 16 ounce size, and cutthroat were a little larger, maybe up to two pounds. And steelhead has a daily limit different than trout - many years ago when I was paying attention it was like one a day. Discuss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:55 PM Three here. They stocked steelhead many years ago in lake Erie. They really took off. They are pretty much the same fish except steelhead are more slimline and get bigger. Steel head although beautiful don't have the native rainbow color at their head. It is a steel color hence the name. True steelhead spend part of their life at sea. A true rainbow spends all its time in fresh water. However, they stocked true steelhead in lake Erie because of there size and really don't need salt water at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:00 PM Many of our fish are anadromous: salmon, steelhead, and I think some trout. Sea run cutthroat, etc. The brown trout were introduced in some lakes but are a pest out here in the west, they out-compete the native fish. SRS, former catcher of many salmonoid types of fish. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:02 PM Unlike a salmon they don't die after spawning. They can spawn five or so times Gives us a nice population for sure. Last year I got many in the mid 30 inch range |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:20 PM Srs do you fly fish also? That's my favorite for the Creek but not in the lake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:26 AM Steelhead/Rainbow IMO, you cant beat the taste of trout that migrate back from the sea, steelhead and others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:50 AM Me, I likes Walter trout, a great bluesman !. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 16 Apr 15 - 07:20 AM SRS wrote: "The brown trout were introduced in some lakes but are a pest out here in the west, they out-compete the native fish." That's interesting because in areas where I've fished for them (MT,UT,ID,WY,CO,NC,GA} the brown is most highly prized among anglers as they're usually the most difficult trout to take on a dry fly and they're also quite beautiful. I do like to eat trout from time to time especially small brookies panfried streamside but no coldwater fish I've had can compare with pompano or redfish in parchment (foil for me) or snook or spanish mackerel on the grill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:42 AM Y'all ain't lived until you've eaten Arctic char. Here's a pic of one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:48 AM Well, thanks, now I'm hungry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:59 AM About a week ago, NB.ca DNR announced NO salmon tags this year. Catch and release only with barbless hooks. I won't explain the new forestry policy... it would take too long and I gotta watch my blood pressure but I believe "modern" forestry has killed a LOT of salmon off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:13 AM While degraded inland habitat is obviously a factor, (potentially, even forestry practices-to some degree) my understanding, from a broad section of salmon researchers, is that the most significant factors to east coast NA Atlantic salmon reductions occurs in the "at sea" portion of their lives. While a sustainable population of the small ones seem to be leaving the many rivers (health varies by region and river) there is a reducing number of adult returns to replenish the local stocks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:23 AM An informative 2007 research paper on the potential causes in the decline of Atlantic Salmon can be found online through Google. It is titled "An evaluation of possible causes of the decline in the abundance of pre-fishery North American Atlantic Salmon." The research paper was the result of a week long conference bringing together many global researchers to identify and rate the possible causes, from the many possible factors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:21 AM I believe that it's only the Pacific salmon that die after spawning and that Atlantic salmon can spawn year after year. I caught a couple of silver salmon up in Alaska some years back, but released them because they were too small to bring home and it was too much trouble to have the motel cook them. Nice fishing, though! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:21 AM And # -- yeah. Char..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:26 AM Char, that one is on my bucket list to fish for |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Apr 15 - 12:15 PM Rap is right, but the attrition rate for Atlantic salmon is still over 90%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 12:47 PM The brown Trout on a fly is the finest test of a fisherman there is. They are wily critters and my favorite trout. I have fished days watching them in a Creek only to catch nothing. Then out of the blue they decide to hit the fly. They have tv shows on bass fishing that anyone can catch but nothing on taking a big brown on a fly. In the lake taking them on a lure is still harder than a steelhead. I get a couple of big browns ayear but baskets full of ssteelhead |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM Walleye, perch, croppie and catfish. Now those I eat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Apr 15 - 02:48 PM I've always thought that the Rainbow Trout was California's state fish. It's not. The California Golden Trout (a subspecies of Rainbow Trout) is our state fish. Gee, ya learn something new every day.... -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 03:04 PM Those trout are beautiful, the fish commission in Pennsylvania stocks them in one of my nearby lakes. They really don't survive well but they do that just for the fishing season. I saw lots being stocked but have not caught one as I always fish here now and not in pa and our lake Erie fish are amazing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 03:42 PM There was a little 8year old boy fishing with his dad. He caught two nice fish netted them himself and let them go. The little guy could cast a lure like a pro. His dad said all he wants to do is fish he loves it. When they were leavinghe ssaid to me best of luck. I wish I could stay but I have school tomorrow darn it. Lol how precious is that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 16 Apr 15 - 04:37 PM Are rainbow trout anything like arctic char ? I love arctic char but don't get it often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:15 PM I always understood rainbow trout were one thing, steelhead were another, but there seems to be a gap in my fish knowledge - and I see that some fish have also been reclassified by genus in recent years. Rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss
Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) Common Names Bow, Redband, Silver Trout, Redsides Size Range Average 11-18 inches. Rainbow trout can grow to 20+ inches in quality populations. State Record 29.60 lbs; Norm Butler; Rufus Woods Lake, Okanogan County; November 11, 2002 Steelhead (Oncorhynchus (=salmo) mykiss) http://spsseg.org/meet-the-7-species-of-pacific-salmon/. http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=E08D Seems if you're going to call two different fish by the same scientific name you're going to cause some confusion. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:25 PM "The Arctic char is closely related to both salmon and lake trout, and has many characteristics of both." From Wiki. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:16 PM Same fish rainbow and steelhead, just steelhead get bigger and originally live part of the time in salt water. Rainbow trout has more intense color and is fresh water only but in essence it is the same fish. If you put true rainbow trout in a river by the ocean it would look and act like a steelhead. It would revert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:16 PM Ed T... I don't care what anyone says. Especially biologists who have never REALLY been in the woods and witnessed the destruction of The Acadian Forest for the last 50 years. If you silt up the spawning grounds with runoff from poor forestry practices, you destroy salmon and trout stocks. I, and thousands of NBers know what has killed the salmon and trout in Atlantic Canada. Backwoods boys know the difference and we don't need "studies". We need to stop the further destruction which WILL happen under NB.ca's new forestry policy. Right... I gotta stop... blood pressure management eh? Tight lines and straight shootin atchyas! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:22 PM So Dan why are steelhead steelhead in lake Erie which is fresh water. Answer because it mimic the ocean. They swim upstream to spawn then go back to the lake. A rainbow spends its life in a Creek or small body of water and spawns there. The very act of spawning in creeks and returning to a large body of water gives them their characteristic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:33 PM A large body of water requires the fish to be bigger and more streamlined to survive. Toss steelhead in a small Creek and their offspring take on thetrue rrainbow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:46 PM Gotta agree with you, olddude, there is a great deal of satisfaction in fooling a nice brown with a tiny dry fly or coaxing a big one out from an undercut bank with a large streamer though I think rainbows are a better game fish and give a better account of themselves than a cut throat or a brown for the most part. I'm sure anyone interested in trout would enjoy James Prosek's Trout of the World It's a slim, reasonably priced volume with vital statistics and lovely water color illustrations by the author of trout from all over the world. He's the guy who wrote the excellent "Fly Fishing the 41st" and is no relation to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:01 PM Yea right gnu. All the international salmon scientists know nothing when they state that the various reasons are complex, varied and broad - and the full story of why the Atlantics are declining in the many rivers and seas where they reside can be discovered by merely "going in the woods with the good old boys". Yes, It is likely that forestry practices play a role, that is included in the report I noted (if you took the time to review it) but it is simplistic to fingerionly forestry and ignore other factors. (I note that those opposing aquaculture also say that this is the single cause of the declines, and commercial fishermen swear it is seal predation). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:15 PM Ed... if you silt up the spawning grounds, fish cannot lay eggs that will survive. It's simple. It's so simple that huge forestry companies pay for studies that say it's complicated. That other stuff? Well, that just adds to it all... and it's all about $$$, just like poor forestry practices. Dismiss the good old boys all you want. We know better. Eat your farmed GMO antibiotic and pesticide ridden salmon. I won't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:12 PM Gilly completely agree with you. Even the biggest brown tend to go deep and don't put up a fuss like a steelhead. They are good fighters. Big browns.. No so much |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:19 PM Rainy and cold. I went down just before dark. I had one big boy on but he shook the lure when he broke water. No other action. I saw a few small ones chasing some minnows but not interested in any lure. Not a good day. Maybe tomorrow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:05 AM Jumping to conclusions again gnu-actually, I dont eat farmed fish if any kind. The simple reason is tgat I know directly how they are grown. Your generic and simplistic conclusions from your local haunts and buddies dont "hold water" for the many At. Salmon rivers - many without significant forestry operations that also have seen major declines in returns from the sea for spawning. In many of these rivers, enough juvenile fish were tracked leaving the rivers (various river counts verify this for years), but adequate numbers of adults have not been returning to meet healthy conservation levels. Over time, populations decline to a serious situation. You dont have to be a "woodsman" to realize that. Human activities in freshwater, like farming, forestry, aquaculture, urban development, pesticide spraying, road construction, housing, poorely constructed river crossings, all contribute to habitat loss-that surely makes the situation worse. But, this represents only a part of the salmons life, the at sea portion is a more significant part of the puzzle-and one that is more complex to gain knowledge on. If you chose to use the same aporoach to salmon, as you seem to have done with fracking-gathering broad knowledge from many sources (research, local and traditional) your assesement would seem better grounded and less "confounding" to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stu Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:40 AM "The brown Trout on a fly is the finest test of a fisherman there is" You're making me feel better with that statement Dan. I've only ever fly fished but remember a magical afternoon on the River Dove in Derbyshire fishing for wild Brown Trout with my dad some years ago. It was perfect weather, just the right warmth for lots of insects there were mergansers fishing for smaller fish on the stiller stretches. The river was crystal clear. We stalked along the back for a while looking for trout and at some point Dad stopped to fish. I carried on upstream and eventually spotted a beautiful large brown sculling in the shallows, plucking insects from the surface in that powerful, incredible and indescribable way they curve and twist when they rise. I had a dry fly on and repeatedly cast upstream, gently guiding the fly right above his nose. He was having none of it and eventually I conceded defeat and we moved on. In truth I wasn't sorry I didn't catch him; he seemed like the living embodiment of the river, a true spirit of nature. I caught a fish later in the day, but it was smaller and I put it back. Wonderful times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 17 Apr 15 - 05:00 AM Aways wanted to eat a perch from Lake Champlain... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 11:56 AM Anyone ever go after native brook trout. I had a few secret streams high in the mountains. They are not big fish at all but also hard to catch. The native brook trout are so beautiful. Stu.. Thank you for sharing that wonderful story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Apr 15 - 12:05 PM Dan, you asked if I fly fish. No, I never have, but I have had the pleasure to watch it, and I love reading about it (have you read any of John McPhee's fishing stories in The New Yorker or in his books)? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 12:53 PM Give it a try srs you will be hooked forever lol You know no matter how old we get, the memories of fishing with our dads always seems to be our best.. Isn't that true. I lost my dad at 14 but I still see him and I on a remote stream somewhere |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 01:01 PM Yep Dan, I love brookies. They're not native to the west but they are plentiful. I remember one morning catching 7" to 9" brookies right at our campsite on the upper reaches of the Big Hole River and putting them straight into the frypan. My buddy Don and I would switch off casting and cooking and ate until we were stuffed, we even caught a few beautiful grayling that morning which we carefully released. Yellowstone Park is full of them as well, especially at higher elevations. While hiking to a back country lake in the North Central section of YNP we came across a beaver dam on a side channel of the river we were following and immediately we thought Brook Trout. Brookies can grow large behind beaver dams with the concentrated forage in the slower water and we caught a bunch of 12-14" kamikaze fish on big bushy dry flies. It's moments like that that partially make up for those frustrating days dealing with finicky trout at lower elevations. Came back a couple of years later and the dam was gone. Most of the brookies I've encountered out west are small (9-10" at most) are easily fooled with attractor dry flys and are most consistently found close to the headwaters of rivers. And they are the prettiest trout I've seen. I understand they grow quite large in eastern Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 01:30 PM I should mention that it's actually a char (Salvelinus fontinalis) not a trout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 01:34 PM Back in the mountains the brookies are about your size most around 9 or 11 inches. They jump on a fly for sure. I love those fish, absolutely beautiful. The mountain streams are full of them. In my area growing up, the biggest brookie I ever caught was probably 13 or so inches. They were native fish not stocked however the popular fishing holes not in the mountains are stocked with brookies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 02:47 PM Dan don't give away any classified info,(hee,hee,hee) but what area are you describing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:01 PM Pennsylvania bro |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:02 PM I will take ya there, my secret stream |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:05 PM That's tempting. My mother has a lot of family in Western PA and I went up there every summer as a kid but never did any fishing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:18 PM Ed T... good for you on the farmed crap. I agree to disagree on the rest of it. I believe the major factor, by far, is the silting of the spawning grounds and the spraying of Agent Orange and it's derivatives for 50 years. I've caught three eyed fish and fish with other deformities... a lot of them. I've seen streams that you can piss in and double the water flow in August where logs used to be driven in spring. When you dismiss the knowledge of ages, you dismiss yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:29 PM In lake Erie there use to be a fish called a blue Pike. At the end of the 1800s the numbers Were staggering. Commercial fishing caught millions in the early 1900s. Industrial silt from the buffalo steel mills destroyed the spawning grounds. They are all but extinct along with the Erie lake sturgeon. So I have to agree with gnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:38 PM ' "Your fish warnings are more ominous in Lake Ontario," says Ontario's Environmental Commissioner, Gord Miller. "If you look at the guidelines for eating fish, you'll find that the highest level of contaminants is in Lake Ontario." Just check out the Environment Ministry's 2011-2012 "Guide to Eating Ontario Sport Fish." No kids under 15 and no women considering getting pregnant should even think of a fish fry. Here's an appetizing bit: "In the various species of trout and salmon found in Lake Ontario, dioxins, furans, dioxin-like PCBs, mirex, photomirex, toxaphene and chlordane can be elevated in the same fish . . . "Consumption of species such as walleye, pike, bass and perch is usually restricted because of mercury. In total, 58.6 per cent of the advice given for sport fish from Lake Ontario results in some level of consumption restriction." ' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:41 PM Gnu, to be clear, I would never " dismiss any credible knowledge" , whether it be local or scientific. Sometimes there are just more than one piece to a puzzle, in this case one that covers very broad geography. While it is easy to be convinced that what we see locally is the entire picture, often the canvas is just bigger and the issues more complex than that. I see no point in deminishing any well meaning attempt to get clearer and less confounding answers-which could lead to the recovery of the current plight of this threatened species. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 17 Apr 15 - 03:53 PM ". . . the current plight of this threatened species." If we don't clean up our act lickety-split, that threatened is us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 18 Apr 15 - 08:53 AM True that,#, we all live downstream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:07 AM ". . . we all live downstream." I hope you don't mind if I use that, gillymor. It's a darned good and thoughtful statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 18 Apr 15 - 10:35 AM Please do use it, #. I didn't invent it. My late buddy Don used to say it and I don't know where he got it. I've been meaning to have it made into a bumper sticker and maybe today is the day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 18 Apr 15 - 12:56 PM This morning the 8 year old and his 14year old brother hauling in big steelhead one after the other. I got skunked nothing Lol got my butt kicked by an 8 year old. So fun watching the little guys all doing catch and release |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 18 Apr 15 - 08:23 PM Got three nice ones tonight.. Loads of fun.. By the way vinegar gets rid of the fish smell on your hands.. Works great |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 19 Apr 15 - 12:21 AM Going back out tomorrow. My Mrs said I am going to turn into a fish. Ok with me, fish are beautiful critters, even the wierd ones are perfect |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Apr 15 - 10:25 AM Good for you, Dan. I had a good day on the water as well. Ain't springtime wonderful for the fisherman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 19 Apr 15 - 11:14 AM Occasionally some young teenagers fly fish in the river out back. They have a ball. gillymor, I went looking for the 'we all live downstream' observation and find it most often attributed to or associated with David Suzuki. If you guys are out again today, good luck. One word of advice: if whatever you hooked pulls you in, let go of the fishing rod and get out of the water :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 19 Apr 15 - 11:24 AM Lol yup I am going out again in a bit. Spring time is like a drug to us fisherman. Gilly how did you do.. Any browns or steelhead |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Apr 15 - 11:38 AM Thought you'd never ask, Dan. I live in SWFL so no salmonids but I released 3 snook to 28" (on 3 different streamers) a hardhead catfish and jumped a big tarpon unexpectedly who released himself as they usually do. I also nearly got swamped by a huge manatee who drifted under my kayak and splashed me good when he/she spooked. Thanks,#, I checked out Suzuki. An impressive man, well represented on youtube. Placed a hold on his "You Are the Earth" at my library via web. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 19 Apr 15 - 02:45 PM "We all live downstream". I am a member of a FB group Named Upriver Environmental Watch... same concept. Ya gotta be concerned about what's upriver and not just in yer own back yard. Glad to hear the fishin stories. Keep em comin. Tight lines and straight shootin eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 19 Apr 15 - 04:15 PM At the lake two so far |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 19 Apr 15 - 06:47 PM Gilly impressive day you had awesome |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 20 Apr 15 - 07:41 AM Sounds like another good day for you, Dan. I've never fished for steelhead so let me ask, do those lake fish jump like river dwelling rainbows? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Apr 15 - 09:20 AM You guys keep telling the truth about your fishing expeditions, you're going to give fishermen a bad name :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 20 Apr 15 - 09:45 AM I don't think John Gierach would agree with your conclusion regarding the veracity of our fishing tales,#. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Apr 15 - 11:35 AM I landed this trout and got the picture. What more can be said? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 20 Apr 15 - 12:11 PM #, That looks like a trout I caught once... only smaller. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Apr 15 - 01:19 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 20 Apr 15 - 01:54 PM Lol. And yes they jump like crazy steelhead put up a great fight |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 20 Apr 15 - 02:01 PM No fishing today sniff sniff, thunder storm here sad. Dang weather |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 21 Apr 15 - 09:23 AM one accomplishment I managed to pull off recently was to facilitate a native brook trout restoration project in the Hemlock Lake (one of the Little Finger Lakes) watershed. The project removed an old dam & spillway and replaced it with a more natural stream channel that will allow them to access two miles of headwaters that was blocked to them before. Wow... Nature Conservancy, Fish & Wildlfife Service and the NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation managed to work together and get it done. Now the land will be turned over to the parks dept. and become public land. Two ways to destroy trout habitat... erosion into the stream to destroy spawong beds +----------------------------------and remove all the canopy vegetation... warm water = dead trout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 21 Apr 15 - 11:20 AM Wonderful science geek, keep up the good work |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 21 Apr 15 - 11:54 AM A fish habitat biologist recently told me that he sees many poorly desighed and maintained stream crossings (culverts etc.) that, taken in total, have a major impact in limiting aquatic productivity. Where I live, a percentage of the taxes on booze taxes goes toward community conservation projects that enhance aquatic habitat. A good idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Apr 15 - 11:58 AM "Where I live, a percentage of the taxes on booze taxes goes toward community conservation projects that enhance aquatic habitat." Hence the expression, "Drink like a fish." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 21 Apr 15 - 12:29 PM Lol yes... No fishing again thunder bangers today still. Dang it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 21 Apr 15 - 12:49 PM "poorly desighed and maintained stream crossings (culverts etc.) that, taken in total, have a major impact in limiting aquatic productivity" yes indeed! too many town & county hwy depts. are clueless... the one that carries the stream on my farm is a good example of that... it runs horizontally under the road, with the upstream end at ground level and the downstream end sitting at least 8-10 feet above the stream. It does create a great plunge pool that stays cold... but ain't no fish I know can jump up into the pipe and make it upstream. So there you go with about a mile of headwater (we're the first trib. in what is otherwise a trout stream & feeder into the local reservoir) isolated from the system. It's intermittant... goes dry in a drought year, so no resident fish populations survived. My first job with the Department was as a fisheries tech. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 21 Apr 15 - 03:12 PM I have several like that here also. Ten foot above the Creek a road drain pipe. No fish get up, what were they thinking. Now that small Creek has nothing in it. The steelhead try to go up but stopped at the pipe, they then move elsewhere |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 21 Apr 15 - 03:30 PM here in the northeast many streams had mill ponds installed to supply power... a big effort is going into removing those old dams, but the buildup of sediment on the old pools make it difficult to do economically and in an environmentally sound manner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 22 Apr 15 - 08:27 AM It's good to know you're on the job, sciencegeek, and that non-profits are working effectively with government agencies on conservation and restoration projects. I support N.C. and Trout Unlimited and have benefited greatly from their good works. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 23 Apr 15 - 11:22 AM Here's an article on trout and trout fishing that appeared in the Sunday N.Y. Times sports section by James Prosek with some nice illustrations of some interesting salmonids. Click here |
