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Subject: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:00 PM Well the steel head (rainbow trout) are running. I bet I caught 25 of them and one monster 34 inch brown Trout. I kept one small rainbow 21 inches for my neighbor lady who wanted some fresh trout. All of them were big guys. Great fighters. They are in the harbor cause the ice just came off |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:31 PM Should be good -- they're cold water fish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:32 PM Good fun. I wish I was yer next door neighbour! I loikes me trout eh? >;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 09:37 PM Wish you were here all ya need is a pole and a blue cleo spoon lure. Guys were using bait and getting nothing. The spoon is a killer fer sure loads of fun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: frogprince Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:18 PM Now how did I know that this was a Dan thread... Our local store has rainbow that are good eatin', but not quite like pulled out of the water and tossed in the pan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:24 PM I wish I could get them to you, so dang expense to ship. I am allowed 3 a day but I probably catch and release a couple dozen a day and they are all beautiful. There are chunks of ice floating on the lake and the water is very cold. Perfect eating fish. I don't care for fish so I don't keep them unless it is for someone like the lady next door that asked me. The really big ones get fishy. It's the 20 or so size that everyone goes nuts over here. That monster brown Trout would probably be pretty strong tasting |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:26 PM If there ain't fishing in heaven, I ain't going cause old dogs and fishing is heaven to me |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:31 PM I go out tomorrow evening and take some pics for you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:35 PM In the Pacific Northwest steelhead (Oncorhynchus mykiss) are a large game fish that come in the size of many wild salmon. Rainbow trout are wild but can also be pond raised, so I see them for sale in stores but never buy them because pond raised have no flavor. The rainbows we caught were in the 8 oz to 16 ounce size, and cutthroat were a little larger, maybe up to two pounds. And steelhead has a daily limit different than trout - many years ago when I was paying attention it was like one a day. Discuss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 10:55 PM Three here. They stocked steelhead many years ago in lake Erie. They really took off. They are pretty much the same fish except steelhead are more slimline and get bigger. Steel head although beautiful don't have the native rainbow color at their head. It is a steel color hence the name. True steelhead spend part of their life at sea. A true rainbow spends all its time in fresh water. However, they stocked true steelhead in lake Erie because of there size and really don't need salt water at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:00 PM Many of our fish are anadromous: salmon, steelhead, and I think some trout. Sea run cutthroat, etc. The brown trout were introduced in some lakes but are a pest out here in the west, they out-compete the native fish. SRS, former catcher of many salmonoid types of fish. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:02 PM Unlike a salmon they don't die after spawning. They can spawn five or so times Gives us a nice population for sure. Last year I got many in the mid 30 inch range |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 15 Apr 15 - 11:20 PM Srs do you fly fish also? That's my favorite for the Creek but not in the lake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:26 AM Steelhead/Rainbow IMO, you cant beat the taste of trout that migrate back from the sea, steelhead and others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:50 AM Me, I likes Walter trout, a great bluesman !. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 16 Apr 15 - 07:20 AM SRS wrote: "The brown trout were introduced in some lakes but are a pest out here in the west, they out-compete the native fish." That's interesting because in areas where I've fished for them (MT,UT,ID,WY,CO,NC,GA} the brown is most highly prized among anglers as they're usually the most difficult trout to take on a dry fly and they're also quite beautiful. I do like to eat trout from time to time especially small brookies panfried streamside but no coldwater fish I've had can compare with pompano or redfish in parchment (foil for me) or snook or spanish mackerel on the grill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:42 AM Y'all ain't lived until you've eaten Arctic char. Here's a pic of one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:48 AM Well, thanks, now I'm hungry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:59 AM About a week ago, NB.ca DNR announced NO salmon tags this year. Catch and release only with barbless hooks. I won't explain the new forestry policy... it would take too long and I gotta watch my blood pressure but I believe "modern" forestry has killed a LOT of salmon off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:13 AM While degraded inland habitat is obviously a factor, (potentially, even forestry practices-to some degree) my understanding, from a broad section of salmon researchers, is that the most significant factors to east coast NA Atlantic salmon reductions occurs in the "at sea" portion of their lives. While a sustainable population of the small ones seem to be leaving the many rivers (health varies by region and river) there is a reducing number of adult returns to replenish the local stocks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:23 AM An informative 2007 research paper on the potential causes in the decline of Atlantic Salmon can be found online through Google. It is titled "An evaluation of possible causes of the decline in the abundance of pre-fishery North American Atlantic Salmon." The research paper was the result of a week long conference bringing together many global researchers to identify and rate the possible causes, from the many possible factors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:21 AM I believe that it's only the Pacific salmon that die after spawning and that Atlantic salmon can spawn year after year. I caught a couple of silver salmon up in Alaska some years back, but released them because they were too small to bring home and it was too much trouble to have the motel cook them. Nice fishing, though! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Rapparee Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:21 AM And # -- yeah. Char..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:26 AM Char, that one is on my bucket list to fish for |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Apr 15 - 12:15 PM Rap is right, but the attrition rate for Atlantic salmon is still over 90%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 12:47 PM The brown Trout on a fly is the finest test of a fisherman there is. They are wily critters and my favorite trout. I have fished days watching them in a Creek only to catch nothing. Then out of the blue they decide to hit the fly. They have tv shows on bass fishing that anyone can catch but nothing on taking a big brown on a fly. In the lake taking them on a lure is still harder than a steelhead. I get a couple of big browns ayear but baskets full of ssteelhead |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 01:08 PM Walleye, perch, croppie and catfish. Now those I eat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Apr 15 - 02:48 PM I've always thought that the Rainbow Trout was California's state fish. It's not. The California Golden Trout (a subspecies of Rainbow Trout) is our state fish. Gee, ya learn something new every day.... -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 03:04 PM Those trout are beautiful, the fish commission in Pennsylvania stocks them in one of my nearby lakes. They really don't survive well but they do that just for the fishing season. I saw lots being stocked but have not caught one as I always fish here now and not in pa and our lake Erie fish are amazing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 03:42 PM There was a little 8year old boy fishing with his dad. He caught two nice fish netted them himself and let them go. The little guy could cast a lure like a pro. His dad said all he wants to do is fish he loves it. When they were leavinghe ssaid to me best of luck. I wish I could stay but I have school tomorrow darn it. Lol how precious is that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 16 Apr 15 - 04:37 PM Are rainbow trout anything like arctic char ? I love arctic char but don't get it often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:15 PM I always understood rainbow trout were one thing, steelhead were another, but there seems to be a gap in my fish knowledge - and I see that some fish have also been reclassified by genus in recent years. Rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss
Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) Common Names Bow, Redband, Silver Trout, Redsides Size Range Average 11-18 inches. Rainbow trout can grow to 20+ inches in quality populations. State Record 29.60 lbs; Norm Butler; Rufus Woods Lake, Okanogan County; November 11, 2002 Steelhead (Oncorhynchus (=salmo) mykiss) http://spsseg.org/meet-the-7-species-of-pacific-salmon/. http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=E08D Seems if you're going to call two different fish by the same scientific name you're going to cause some confusion. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,# Date: 16 Apr 15 - 05:25 PM "The Arctic char is closely related to both salmon and lake trout, and has many characteristics of both." From Wiki. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:16 PM Same fish rainbow and steelhead, just steelhead get bigger and originally live part of the time in salt water. Rainbow trout has more intense color and is fresh water only but in essence it is the same fish. If you put true rainbow trout in a river by the ocean it would look and act like a steelhead. It would revert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:16 PM Ed T... I don't care what anyone says. Especially biologists who have never REALLY been in the woods and witnessed the destruction of The Acadian Forest for the last 50 years. If you silt up the spawning grounds with runoff from poor forestry practices, you destroy salmon and trout stocks. I, and thousands of NBers know what has killed the salmon and trout in Atlantic Canada. Backwoods boys know the difference and we don't need "studies". We need to stop the further destruction which WILL happen under NB.ca's new forestry policy. Right... I gotta stop... blood pressure management eh? Tight lines and straight shootin atchyas! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:22 PM So Dan why are steelhead steelhead in lake Erie which is fresh water. Answer because it mimic the ocean. They swim upstream to spawn then go back to the lake. A rainbow spends its life in a Creek or small body of water and spawns there. The very act of spawning in creeks and returning to a large body of water gives them their characteristic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 06:33 PM A large body of water requires the fish to be bigger and more streamlined to survive. Toss steelhead in a small Creek and their offspring take on thetrue rrainbow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 16 Apr 15 - 08:46 PM Gotta agree with you, olddude, there is a great deal of satisfaction in fooling a nice brown with a tiny dry fly or coaxing a big one out from an undercut bank with a large streamer though I think rainbows are a better game fish and give a better account of themselves than a cut throat or a brown for the most part. I'm sure anyone interested in trout would enjoy James Prosek's Trout of the World It's a slim, reasonably priced volume with vital statistics and lovely water color illustrations by the author of trout from all over the world. He's the guy who wrote the excellent "Fly Fishing the 41st" and is no relation to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:01 PM Yea right gnu. All the international salmon scientists know nothing when they state that the various reasons are complex, varied and broad - and the full story of why the Atlantics are declining in the many rivers and seas where they reside can be discovered by merely "going in the woods with the good old boys". Yes, It is likely that forestry practices play a role, that is included in the report I noted (if you took the time to review it) but it is simplistic to fingerionly forestry and ignore other factors. (I note that those opposing aquaculture also say that this is the single cause of the declines, and commercial fishermen swear it is seal predation). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: gnu Date: 16 Apr 15 - 09:15 PM Ed... if you silt up the spawning grounds, fish cannot lay eggs that will survive. It's simple. It's so simple that huge forestry companies pay for studies that say it's complicated. That other stuff? Well, that just adds to it all... and it's all about $$$, just like poor forestry practices. Dismiss the good old boys all you want. We know better. Eat your farmed GMO antibiotic and pesticide ridden salmon. I won't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:12 PM Gilly completely agree with you. Even the biggest brown tend to go deep and don't put up a fuss like a steelhead. They are good fighters. Big browns.. No so much |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 16 Apr 15 - 11:19 PM Rainy and cold. I went down just before dark. I had one big boy on but he shook the lure when he broke water. No other action. I saw a few small ones chasing some minnows but not interested in any lure. Not a good day. Maybe tomorrow |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Ed T Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:05 AM Jumping to conclusions again gnu-actually, I dont eat farmed fish if any kind. The simple reason is tgat I know directly how they are grown. Your generic and simplistic conclusions from your local haunts and buddies dont "hold water" for the many At. Salmon rivers - many without significant forestry operations that also have seen major declines in returns from the sea for spawning. In many of these rivers, enough juvenile fish were tracked leaving the rivers (various river counts verify this for years), but adequate numbers of adults have not been returning to meet healthy conservation levels. Over time, populations decline to a serious situation. You dont have to be a "woodsman" to realize that. Human activities in freshwater, like farming, forestry, aquaculture, urban development, pesticide spraying, road construction, housing, poorely constructed river crossings, all contribute to habitat loss-that surely makes the situation worse. But, this represents only a part of the salmons life, the at sea portion is a more significant part of the puzzle-and one that is more complex to gain knowledge on. If you chose to use the same aporoach to salmon, as you seem to have done with fracking-gathering broad knowledge from many sources (research, local and traditional) your assesement would seem better grounded and less "confounding" to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stu Date: 17 Apr 15 - 04:40 AM "The brown Trout on a fly is the finest test of a fisherman there is" You're making me feel better with that statement Dan. I've only ever fly fished but remember a magical afternoon on the River Dove in Derbyshire fishing for wild Brown Trout with my dad some years ago. It was perfect weather, just the right warmth for lots of insects there were mergansers fishing for smaller fish on the stiller stretches. The river was crystal clear. We stalked along the back for a while looking for trout and at some point Dad stopped to fish. I carried on upstream and eventually spotted a beautiful large brown sculling in the shallows, plucking insects from the surface in that powerful, incredible and indescribable way they curve and twist when they rise. I had a dry fly on and repeatedly cast upstream, gently guiding the fly right above his nose. He was having none of it and eventually I conceded defeat and we moved on. In truth I wasn't sorry I didn't catch him; he seemed like the living embodiment of the river, a true spirit of nature. I caught a fish later in the day, but it was smaller and I put it back. Wonderful times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray) Date: 17 Apr 15 - 05:00 AM Aways wanted to eat a perch from Lake Champlain... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 11:56 AM Anyone ever go after native brook trout. I had a few secret streams high in the mountains. They are not big fish at all but also hard to catch. The native brook trout are so beautiful. Stu.. Thank you for sharing that wonderful story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Apr 15 - 12:05 PM Dan, you asked if I fly fish. No, I never have, but I have had the pleasure to watch it, and I love reading about it (have you read any of John McPhee's fishing stories in The New Yorker or in his books)? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: olddude Date: 17 Apr 15 - 12:53 PM Give it a try srs you will be hooked forever lol You know no matter how old we get, the memories of fishing with our dads always seems to be our best.. Isn't that true. I lost my dad at 14 but I still see him and I on a remote stream somewhere |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 01:01 PM Yep Dan, I love brookies. They're not native to the west but they are plentiful. I remember one morning catching 7" to 9" brookies right at our campsite on the upper reaches of the Big Hole River and putting them straight into the frypan. My buddy Don and I would switch off casting and cooking and ate until we were stuffed, we even caught a few beautiful grayling that morning which we carefully released. Yellowstone Park is full of them as well, especially at higher elevations. While hiking to a back country lake in the North Central section of YNP we came across a beaver dam on a side channel of the river we were following and immediately we thought Brook Trout. Brookies can grow large behind beaver dams with the concentrated forage in the slower water and we caught a bunch of 12-14" kamikaze fish on big bushy dry flies. It's moments like that that partially make up for those frustrating days dealing with finicky trout at lower elevations. Came back a couple of years later and the dam was gone. Most of the brookies I've encountered out west are small (9-10" at most) are easily fooled with attractor dry flys and are most consistently found close to the headwaters of rivers. And they are the prettiest trout I've seen. I understand they grow quite large in eastern Canada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rainbow trout From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 17 Apr 15 - 01:30 PM I should mention that it's actually a char (Salvelinus fontinalis) not a trout. |
