BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 15 - 06:16 PM

Then explain why we suddenly need them under your precious Tories, Billyboy. Just an unscrupulous idea that works because the unions have been emasculated and the Tories like them, that's why.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Teribus
Date: 06 May 15 - 01:18 AM

C'mon Stevieboy answer my questions:

1: What are those on zero hour contracts paid?
2: Who was it set the minimum wage?

Good article DtG only thing he brushes on very lightly is that trickle down is finite and only goes so far and it has worked (BBC "Rich World" series showed that the fastest growing "class" in society was the Middle-Classes throughout the world). What he misses out on completely is that "trickle down" has the effect of improving everyone's lot in life to varying degrees, it has never laid claim to be a means of equally sharing wealth.

As for the thread Margaret Thatcher will probably go down as one of the country's best peacetime Prime Ministers, she was a far, far better leader and politician than those she replaced and a damned sight better than those who came after her and attempting to blame her for everything wrong that has happened in the twenty-five years since she left office is simply idiotic and pathetic - a typical standpoint for a "socialist" though as "it is always somebody else's fault" irrespective of how badly they screw up (The Blair & Brown years - and before the screams of "They weren't real socialists" deafen us, remember you lot voted for Blair three times).

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 06 May 15 - 03:09 AM

since the 70s - thatcher, reagan and their decendents have been applying the lessons of the chicago school the wirld over. detailed and completely persuasive evidence presented by naomi klein in her book 'the shock doctrine' shows the tactics first tested in chile have driven the political direction in every major -and many minor- disputes worldwide. the idealogical imperative to destroy the state regardless of the consequences for the majority of the people is the major crime committed by thatcher. nothing can justify her good reputation for anyone who cares nothing for the country and it's people. when accountants and bankers run the show - it's price of everything and the value of nothing.
obviuosly we have been hammered by 4 /5 decades of relentless right wing media but it is depressing to see our country still in thrall to american politics and 'values' and stubbornly refusing to learn the lessons from progressive mainland europe. blame thatcher. and blair. and the shady shape shifting lizards. of course around them

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 May 15 - 04:01 AM

Zero hours contracts allow workers suffering them the "flexibility" to be ordered about and left to starve on the weeks the employer does not want to pay them. An ex-G/F is on such a contract - not being permitted more than 16 hours work a week, because then she might get some feeble employment rights, travelling up to 10 hours (5 each way) to work an 8-hour shift, barred from working for anyone else, and earning £116-ish per week if she gets 16 hours - when her rent is £140 per week. She is slowly being ground to dust, and the benefits gestapo say (I'm sure they lie) she has been OVERPAID benefits and want some thousands of quid back from her. She is a fine and diligent person being broken by the sons of Thatcher. THe people doing that to her should be up against the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 15 - 04:12 AM

Lion's share of wealth in Britain
"Margaret Thatcher will probably go down as one of the country's best peacetime Prime Ministers"
She is on record as being the most hated Prime Minister ever by those who experienced her reign and are still experiencing the aftershocks.
From the horse's mouth
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 15 - 04:56 AM

What he misses out on completely is that "trickle down" has the effect of improving everyone's lot in life to varying degrees, it has never laid claim to be a means of equally sharing wealth.

Neither the author nor I ever suggested it did. It does however ensure that at least some of the wealth is being spent by people who need it. Unlike some others on here I do believe that capitalism can work and provided that there is a good measure of social responsibility it is not a bad thing. As I have pointed out before a good economy relies on capital, labour and natural resource to work properly. Concentrating on one to the exclusion of others will never work properly.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:10 AM

Surely, Thatcher's main legacy is that of a promoter of the pernicious, neo-liberal, economic doctrine of the 'free market' - a licence for the privileged minority to thieve and rob from the rest of us. This self-serving nonsense has divided our society and led to accelerating environmental destruction (for a detailed analysis of this latter point, read Naomi Klein's recent book, 'This Changes Everything'). Of course, Blair also embraced neo-liberalism thus perpetuating and institutionalising Thatcher's evil legacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:20 AM

Don't give me your "c'mon, Stevieboy" shit, Teribus. I couldn't post to this website for hours last night for some reason. It became read-only this end. Fortunately, I copied the post I was trying to send, so here it is.

Cheers for that brilliant article, Dave. Come on, Teribus, let's see you taking it on. How about this:

"Low-wage workers stuck on a path to poverty are not only weak customers; they're also anemic taxpayers, absent citizens and inattentive neighbors."

What price your zero-hour contracts for all (looks like we're heading that way) and your "flexible labour market"?

I don't give a stuff if my post is twelve hours out of date. I sweated over it for minutes. So you're getting it now. So c'mon, Billyboy...

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:35 AM

So, to answer your rather pointless questions, those on zero-hours contracts are paid anything from zero (duh) to not very much per hour. Mostly minimum wage to not much over. No hours, no pay. That's the principle. You get work, the employer has to abide by the law on hourly pay, like everyone else. What exactly was your point in asking?

The minimum wage was brought in by Labour. The Tories opposed it. Cameron was one of the leading voices. He said unemployment would rocket. It didn't. He was wrong and you are wrong. He supports it now, basically because he has to. Interesting tangential point. In 2010, the rate for Cameron's bogus apprenticeships was £2.50 per hour. Today it's £2.73 per hour. Five years for an extra 23p. Work a 40 hour week on that and you just about scrape a few quid more than jobseekers for being exploited. Welcome to Toribus's Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:37 AM

That's zero pay if you have no hours. Obviously. Another double espresso please.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:40 AM

She is on record as being the most hated Prime Minister ever by those who experienced her reign and are still experiencing the aftershocks.

She won three elections in a row, never defeated.
A lot of people must have liked her.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:41 AM

errrrrmmmm... not something I tend to admit, or even readily remember...

but before I got properly progressively politicised and aware of true harsh social reality,
my 6th Form College course was OND Business Studies
and 'A' level Law, Accounts, and Economics...

[I actually really wanted to do English, Art, and Drama - but life seldom works out to plan ???]

Though the Government & Politics 'O' level in the first year
was a good starting point for me and my best mates in our 'punk' band
to learn the nuts & bolts of British Constitution and Govt.
leading us on to gradually 'discovering' our inclination towards socialism...

Any way the point is, I've always accepted the value of a mixed economy
of nationalised key services & utilities
and a private sector of responsible good quality ethical employers.

Unfortunately, my youthful naive idealism has been consistently battered & disillusioned
by a lifetime of being cheated and stabbed in the back
by unscrupulous ruthless contemptuous thatcherite bastard managers and bosses
only out to get on and line their own pockets
no matter who they fuck up and dispose of along the way...😠

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:49 AM

You are right, PFR.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:50 AM

Don't want you thinking I'm persecuting you, Teribus, but, as for this:

As for the thread Margaret Thatcher will probably go down as one of the country's best peacetime Prime Ministers, she was a far, far better leader and politician than those she replaced and a damned sight better than those who came after her and attempting to blame her for everything wrong that has happened in the twenty-five years since she left office is simply idiotic and pathetic - a typical standpoint for a "socialist" though as "it is always somebody else's fault" irrespective of how badly they screw up (The Blair & Brown years - and before the screams of "They weren't real socialists" deafen us, remember you lot voted for Blair three times).

Very unlike you, that. The whole thing consists of unsupported assertions. I'm sure you could have found something to back you up. You do read the Sun, don't you...?

Incidentally, I for one never once voted FOR Blair. I always voted AGAINST the Tories. LibDem every time, to make sure the Tory didn't get this seat (Cornwall North). I shall do the same again this time in spite of the betrayal of 2010. My clothes peg is ready. Nothing is black and white, Billyboy. A visceral lifelong hatred of the Tories does not translate into a love of Blair/Brown, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:59 AM

Well, Keith, I think you have an uphill job demonstrating that an awful lot of those people who purportedly "liked" Maggie didn't vote Tory because they didn't like Foot or Kinnock. I wasn't overly keen myself, to say the least. And let's not forget the SDP wrecking ball as well as Arthur, Maggie's secret weapons.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Teribus
Date: 06 May 15 - 06:09 AM

"Incidentally, I for one never once voted FOR Blair."

Well then Stevieboy at least we have that in common. Doesn't alter the fact though that there were plenty who did, not once, but thrice when all the indicators were there that he and his Chancellor and ultimate successor were ruining the country (Blair & Brown - there was not one single thing that they touched that didn't turn to shit) - daftest thing is there are those "Red Rosette on a Pig and I'll vote for it" clowns lining up in droves to vote for the same political party to do the same thing all over again - and the daft prats wonder how things don't get better.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Musket
Date: 06 May 15 - 06:12 AM

I was talking to that Godwin chap and he said

"A lot if people must have liked her err.. Him"

I think he was talking about that popular politician chap, Hitler.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 May 15 - 06:45 AM

From Teribus

" daftest thing is there are those "Red Rosette on a Pig and I'll vote for it" clowns lining up in droves to vote for the same political party to do the same thing all over again - and the daft prats wonder how things don't get better"

Question for you Teribus, does that also apply to people voting for a pig with a blue rosette?

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 15 - 07:41 AM

Hitler only won one election and never risked standing again.
No free press or opposition parties or any dissent allowed.
No comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Million miles from Hertford
Date: 06 May 15 - 07:47 AM

True. Hitler never actually used the words "enemy within."

She did though.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:20 AM

I think he used the German equivalent, and arranged special accommodation for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:31 AM

Then you should be condemning her on the same grounds as you, presumably, condemn him. I speak as one of her enemies within. We were called trade unionists. Where's Pastor Niemoller when you need him?

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:53 AM

Do you compare her to Hitler?
Is that a fair comparison?

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 09:05 AM

I thought that what you were doing, actually.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 15 - 09:12 AM

"Is that a fair comparison?"
No - it is not fair.
Hitler carried out the aims of the Nazi Party - Thatcher would never have got away with putting her Fascist inclinations into practice, but she made them clear i the meeting she organised and spoke at in support of Pinochet and she accused British politicians who were considering holding him under house arrest as running a "Police State".
'By thy actions own words shall ye be judged'.

"Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability."
Mrs T on Pinochet

She really wasn't as successful as Hitler, but it wasn't for the want of trying.
Her attitude to Trades Unions, which she described as 'The Enemy Within' wasn't that unsimilar, but then again, Democracy stopped her from throwing them in jail.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 15 - 09:21 AM

Please will someone remind me what it is that the unions can't do now ?

(I did ask earlier. The follow on question is why Labour didn't change thinsg back ?)

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Teribus
Date: 06 May 15 - 09:25 AM

Undoubtedly Raggytash, only thing is the ones wearing red rosettes keep destroying the country's economy with the result that the ones wearing the blue rosettes start off their term sorting out the mess.

Populist governments never actually work because to get elected they make all sorts of daft promises that they know they can't keep. On winning the election they find themselves "governing" the country where all the rhetoric they used to spout whilst sitting on the opposition benches is shown in the light of having to face real problems to be complete and utter bullshit. Governance requires real leadership and that means biting the bullet and making tough decisions as and when required for the good of the country as a whole. Every Labour Government this country has had has been an economic train wreck. You are free to disprove that statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:03 AM

Economic train wreck it may have been, I do not know and am not inclined to look it up, but it was a labour government that created a national health service that is still the envy of a lot of the world. What is more important, health or wealth? OK - I know we need wealth to provide health care but it seems that while, in your opinion, the right is better at creating that wealth, they are certainly not good at caring :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Stanron
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:06 AM

I wonder how many of you would even bother to read Daniel Finklestein's article in the Times.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4431576.ece

and if it would make the slightest difference if you did.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:06 AM

Voting Labour is not an unconditional endorsement.
There will be compromises and disappointments.
But for all the genuine [as opposed to right wing media scaremongering] faults of Labour Govts.
It's still a more positive choice than yet another round
of tory's public sector asset stripping and dubious sell offs
to international corporate cronies.

[ if we still have that many post war public assets left for the spivs to sell off !!!???]

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Stanron
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:08 AM

Here's the clicky thing

clicky

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Teribus
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:20 AM

I know it's the Mail but Jim Carroll has put it up as a credible source before now:

Tory triumphs and Labour disasters

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:37 AM

Stanron - Only subscribers to the Times can see it so I cannot comment. Only to say that Rupert Murdoch wants to keep the Tories and and that in itself tells a tale.

Teribus - There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Then there is the popular press.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 15 - 10:54 AM

"I know it's the Mail but Jim Carroll has put it up as a credible source before now:"
That is an election statement from The Daily Mail - an acclaimed supporter of The Tories on the eve of the election - what else are they going to say - "we've got it wrong - don't vote for them" maybe?
I have quoted The Mail regularly - whenever it makes a statement not in favour of the right - the only thing "reliable" about the rag is that it is an extreme rightist, pro-Tory tabloid and it will never make up anything which shows cjhallenges the right and the status quo - so when it does, you can put money on it.
Not so long ago I put up something by them and you ased "do you believe everything you read in te paper" - not in this case, especially at this time.
You have totally ignored every fact put up which shows Thatcher, the Tories and the system for the predators they are - unemployment, homelessness, povery, the gap increasing gap between rich and poor, Thatcher's fascism.... - not a peep.
And you expect us to swallow a party-political broadcast on behalf of the Conservatives
The election campaign must be in a bad way!!!
Must go and dry my hair (I assume yu think we've 'just got off the boat!'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Musket
Date: 06 May 15 - 11:26 AM

Train wreck.. The economic mess Heath left for Wilson to deal with? The one Th*tcher bequeathed Major that Blair had to deal with?

How about the appalling way Cameron and Osborn have dealt with the national debt now?

They say ignorance is bliss Terribulus, but to differentiate between governments on the basis of party displays a naivety not even your precious Daily M*il teaches you...

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Teribus
Date: 06 May 15 - 02:07 PM

"I have quoted The Mail regularly - whenever it makes a statement not in favour of the right"

So from that I take it that when you quote and refer to something from that particular news source it has to be taken as "gospel" and is thoroughly credible as long as it feeds your bigotry? Grow up Christmas.

"You have totally ignored every fact put up which shows Thatcher, the Tories and the system for the predators they are"

And you have totally ignored and dismissed every fact put up which disproves your dearly held myths.

"unemployment, homelessness, poverty"

All of those things existed pre-Thatcher and they did not get worse, in fact despite the depredations of Blair and Brown (The Pension Raids) in general people are better off today than they were 30 years ago and a damned sight better off than they were 60 years ago.

"the gap increasing gap between rich and poor"

From the link I provided Christmas - on this very subject:

"TAX AND INEQUALITY
- The rich are paying their fair share of tax. The best-paid 1 per cent contribute 27 per cent of all income tax revenue. (According to information supplied by HMRC in response to a request under the FOI Act)

- Despite Ed Miliband's disingenuous claims about 'tax cuts for millionaires', the top 0.1 per cent of earners are paying 12 per cent of all income tax — a record high. (According to information supplied by HMRC in response to a request under the FOI Act)

- The rise in the personal allowance to £10,600 a year has taken 3.7 million people out of paying income tax altogether.

- Income inequality in the UK, as measured by the Office for National Statistics, is lower than it was in 2010/11 when the Coalition came into office.

"Thatcher's fascism??" - democratically elected as a Member of Parliament. Elected by her Party as Leader, her Party was elected into office by the electorate of the United Kingdom on three occasions. When her position as leader was challenged and she lost the vote within her political party she stood down - now care to tell me of any Dictator Fascist or other wise whose political career followed a similar path?

Your childish scatter-gun approach to flinging insulting terms about is ill-informed and pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 15 - 02:58 PM

"Grow up Christmas."
Grown up - I suggest you do the same (you might start by not shuffling around inconvenient facts.
Can always tell when you're stuck when you resort to insults and invective, as now.
As I said, The mair is a right wing rag and there is no reason for them to make up anti right-wing propaganda
"And you have totally ignored and dismissed every fact put up which disproves your dearly held myths"
You have qualified none of your claims - you seldom do.
You make them as arrogant statements of truth - as ytou have been doing throughout these two arguments
You have had charts backing up what we have been claiming - you offer nothing except tabloid propaganda in return.
You have had Thatcher's own statements declaring her support for fascism - not a murmer in response.
"All of those things existed pre-Thatcher and they did not get worse"
Utter nonsense - and you have had the figures to prove it.
The gap in the division of wealth, both in Bitain and throughout the Capitalist world has reached astronomical proportions - no figures to counter them in return from you - now a few feeble denials.
Utter nonsense to claim the rich are paying their share - though it is quite fscinating to have someone actually advocating on behalf of them

TAX LOOPHOLES

MORE

The fact man, we need the facts
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 May 15 - 03:14 PM

From Teribus,

" Undoubtedly Raggytash, only thing is the ones wearing red rosettes keep destroying the country's economy with the result that the ones wearing the blue rosettes start off their term sorting out the mess"

Are you REALLY that naïve that you believe that ?

Incredible.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Musket
Date: 06 May 15 - 03:47 PM

"If you repeat it often enough it becomes the established truth "

Dr Goebbells

"This mess we inherited was too bad to sort in one term"

Heath, Th*tcher, Major, Cameron.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 May 15 - 04:47 PM

I distinctly remember thinking back then that to claim a mandate when one hadn't received the majority of the popular vote was attributing some sort of magic to the way the number of seats in Parliament reflected an opposite opinion to that of the numbers of the electorate, so that it was actually what the people had intended. Did she always get in with a majority of the popular vote?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:00 PM

Sorry - didn't finish (didn't want to miss'Gently' - great!!)
""Thatcher's fascism??" "
Thatcher called a meeting of the Tory Party in defence of a man who had overthrown a legally elected Government, had had the President murdered, rounded up many thousands of young peolpe wo took to the streets in protest, herded them into Santiago Stadium, where they were tortured - the women were raped and thousands of them were 'disappeared' and where fished out to the river in their hundreds.
She described these actions as "democratic" and, it is my belief, had she been given the opportunity, she would have used similar tactics on the people she referred to as "the enemy within" (in Chile, they were referred to as "the mob".
Her efforts helped to prevent Pinochet from being put on trial for mass-murder and human rights abuses.
"Your childish scatter-gun approach "
There is nothing "scatter-gun" about my approach - on the contrary, the evidence I have put up is fairly precise and well- documented - not a personal opinion, as is yours.
What is "pathetic" is your clumsy attempts first to ignore the facts that have been presents, but your present attempts to bluster and shuffle your way past them.
Mor facts for you to ignore (and then, maybe deny"
Jim Carroll
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Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:25 PM

When people argue about the proportion of taxes paid by the rich, they always base the argument on income tax alone, not on VAT. Proportionately, the poorer pay more of their income as VAT than do the rich.

Here's a nice government document about it.
Office of National Statistics

The proportions of VAT paid by the lowest earners increased over the period of the study, while those of the rich have remained steady. This study is of the Labour period of office. I can't find anything more recent, though there is a prediction here Retail research of the effects of the increase to 20%. (About halfway down.)

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:39 PM

From my calculations, if the lowest quintile is paying 12.1% of disposable income in VAT, and the average is 7.4%, then the richest quintile are paying in the region of 2.7% in VAT. To work this out, I calculated for the middle 3 quintiles at the average 7.4%, and assumed an even distribution. Even if this is wrong, the gap between 12.1% and 7.4% is a bit steep.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 05:58 PM

Good work, Penny. And let's not forget the billions that the richest don't pay because they can afford to hire the finest accountants in the land.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Stanron
Date: 06 May 15 - 06:35 PM

"don't pay because they can afford to hire"?

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 07:23 PM

Don't pay in tax. It isn't hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Stanron
Date: 06 May 15 - 07:58 PM

But Legal services cost a lot and have VAT on top. That's not tax?

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:26 PM

I made my point and you are becoming tedious. Perhaps you have more time on your hands now that your part in Cameron's election campaign is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:28 PM

yeah... but still a cost effective expense if it saves the rich ££££$ in tax...

...and do doubt those cunning tax accountants might even find ways
of making their own fees tax-deductible for mega wealthy clients ...????

Subject: RE: BS: Pro / Anti Thatcher Squabble Thread...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 May 15 - 08:33 PM

You tell him, mate! :-)