BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)

Subject: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 01:06 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/08/1391514/-New-Ferguson-Police-Chief-tells-blatant-and-disturbing-lies-throughout-recent-

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 05:22 PM

Like that's a surprise? Cops lying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Jun 15 - 11:07 PM

IT appears Bridge ESQ is lamenting the sour-grapes   while
overlooking the diamonds in his own backyard.


Ahhh..... our Mr. Esquire himself elects to go throwing stones at his fine American cousins.

Let us see what sort of foul, fetid water lies on the other side of our pond.


British are Intentionally Racist

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3112587/It-s-not-just-police-British-society-institutionally-racist-claims-Britain-s-officer.html


British Police Scandalously Racist

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200483/Five-quit-amid-police-racism-storm.html



London Mayor and Racism

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/police-racism/



UK Police and Facebook Racism

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/07/uk-police-officer-sacked-offensive-racist-facebook-comments




Sincerely.
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 04:45 AM

Are American cops racist? Having never been to the US, I really don't know - but it wouldn't surprise me. After all, racism was institutionalised in certain parts of the US until relatively recently.

Is the UK racist? I'm not so sure about that, these days. Certain sections of society might be - and those sections may contain policemen. Nevertheless, I can't remember the last time I heard anyone make a racist remark - even a casual one.

On the other hand, I do believe that the UK is irredeemably 'classist'. That's why the Tories get in so often. I strongly suspect that huge swathes of the white, middle-class British electorate want to believe that the UK's current problems (whatever those may be) are caused by members of the 'lower orders' (and those may include members of ethnic minorities). All a political party has to do, in order to get elected, is to promise to discipline, and even punish, the trouble-making 'scum' at the bottom. Meanwhile the 'boss class' are allowed to get away with murder because they should be automatically be deferred to and it is also automatically assumed that they must know what they're doing. Of course they know what they're doing ... don't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 05:56 AM

Racism in the UK certainly exists, but it is not usually fatal for the discriminee, whereas that seems commonplace in the USA and I don't think we have ever seen the like of the recent US police brutality to unarmed black teenagers (in swimming costumes) reported for making too much noise at a pool party in a white neighbourhood, nor the gun nut retard who used a rifle to threaten a Muslim couple collecting their young son from a classmate's birthday party.

I don't think Shimrod has fully got a grip on English "classism". The problem (IMHO) is that people identify with the ruling class and so vote in the interests of the ruling class. I had a big argument with an African princess (who lives in England)just the other week: She did not "identify" with Labour, because she was royal - and I could not get it into her head that she was DEFINITELY no part of the ruling class in England.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 06:49 AM

Why, Richard, did you consider it any part of your personal brief or responsibility to do so (assuming, that is, that you are in fact right in that asseveration anyhow)? It seems to me to have been a most unmannerly and uncalled-for piece of officiousness on your part.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 09:31 AM

"Racism in the UK certainly exists, but it is not usually fatal for the discriminee, whereas that seems commonplace in the USA and I don't think we have ever seen the like of the recent US police brutality to unarmed black teenagers (in swimming costumes) reported for making too much noise at a pool party in a white neighbourhood, nor the gun nut retard who used a rifle to threaten a Muslim couple collecting their young son from a classmate's birthday party.

I don't think Shimrod has fully got a grip on English "classism". The problem (IMHO) is that people identify with the ruling class and so vote in the interests of the ruling class."

I have to agree with Bunter, in all of the above, but particularly with regard to the reason for 'working-class' people voting Conservative. I don't believe that 'what's in their own best interests' even enters the mind of many working-class Tories - they vote Tory because it makes them feel good about themselves and elevates their own perception of their social status.

I'm also persuaded that racism in the U.S. police is exacerbated by the gun-lunacy that is rife over there.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 09:44 AM

Meyer - she was about to vote for the con-servatives. Definitely part of the duty of any person with a conscience to do everything possible to prevent that, and indeed to point out that she would or should be a pariah amongst the substantial majority of Afro-Caribbeans in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 01:12 PM

My name, as I have pointed out before, MR Bridge, is Myer -- and Mr Myer to you, you mannerless and arrogant nonentity. Your pertinacity, in misspelling it & in rudely misaddressing me, is clearly intended offensively; but it would take more than your friviolities and fatuities to cause me any sort of distress, my good little fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 02:30 PM

Richard, don't fall into these troll holes. <3

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 03:18 PM

Yes it exists but lately it is better known and steps are being taken thankfully. But not fatal over the pond, tell that to the irish.. Troll thread indeed

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 05:29 PM

"My name, as I have pointed out before, MR Bridge, is Myer -- and Mr Myer to you, you mannerless and arrogant nonentity. Your pertinacity, in misspelling it & in rudely misaddressing me, is clearly intended offensively; but it would take more than your friviolities and fatuities to cause me any sort of distress, my good little fellow."

You UK folks sure do love to toss big words around.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jun 15 - 09:35 PM

Your foolishness about politics is far more important than your name or your frequent self-aggrandisement.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 02:43 AM

"I don't think Shimrod has fully got a grip on English "classism"."

I still believe that I've got a "grip", thank you, Mr Bridge. Why do you think the Tory newspapers go on and on and on about "benefit cheats" and "immigrants" whilst going light on tax dodging by big business and the misdeeds of the banks?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 03:10 AM

Well, I agree that the media owned by the rich propagate the propaganda of the rich in the interests of the rich, but I don't see the linkage of that to the the original Shimrod statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 04:29 AM

Oh, come come now....some wannabe 'so-called liberals' start up conversations about 'racism' like they are having a cigarette break....

"Well it's been 15 minutes .....time for a break....cigarettes?.. or talk about racism??.......Well?....nuthin' else to do...."

"Got another dead horse to flog???.....how 'bout your dolphin??"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 09:52 AM

And you appear, like clockwork, Gust, to offer your own inane responses. The pot calling the kettle black.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 05:16 PM

The McKinney scandal seems to be growing legs.

Goofball: grow a conscience and a brain. Either would be a god start.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 08:17 PM

OK...have it your way...let's rehash the warn out racism rhetoric.... ya' got nothing else to do!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 15 - 09:18 PM

Goofup. What a complete waste of protoplasm!

Frank N. Stein

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 04:10 AM

You got it all wrong.....go ahead and talk racism.....maybe you can appear useful to somebody...anybody...and a hero to the nobodies!

Better use of your time would be spent practicing on your instrument, though....instead of practicing blathering the latest 'talking point d'jour'!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: goatfell
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 10:41 AM

Racism in America. Who are you trying to kid but like every other countries as well not just America it's everywhere

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 10:50 AM

goatfell, it's just the latest assigned talking point, that is being promoted to talk about, to distract the 'so-called liberals from taking note of the 'trade agreement', which if signed, overrides our own Constitution....but the 'so-called liberals' only invoke the Constitution to promote THEIR agendas, while doing their best to destroy the Constitution.....sorta like using our freedoms to destroy our freedoms, and replace them with their corporate controlled agendas.... it's just that they either don't see it, or don't care! They are too caught up in their blind adherence to the 'party heads'...who are working in behalf of the banksters and corporate heads.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 11:00 AM

Not so long ago on this forum.....A year? Anyone who mentioned capping immigration in the UK was routinely labelled a "racist", often linked to "colour prejudice", 'till it transpired that almost all the immigrants were white and that all political parties swung round to support for regulation of immigrants.

What happened to all these finger pointing denouncers of free speech?
they started writing about "US racism"

Get a life!

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 11:24 AM

...because they are powerless mouthpieces......as in, hypocrites!

GfS

P.S. Hi, Ake!

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 11:55 AM

Hi Sanity.....long time since you've been on...cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 01:23 PM

Naw..I pop in occasionally...but not real interested in doilies and pansies.
Been working on my music in the studio.
I come up here, and the usual subjects spouting trivia are just patting themselves on the back...and anything of substance gets deleted, and the thread closed...to insure that political hacks remain stupid and misinformed!
They think that if they change fact into consensus, that somehow it alters reality....but only their own. They LOVE delusion!...and pat each other on the back when enough political hacks chant bullshit...in harmony.....even when they can get the tune right.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 06:54 PM

A brief interruption in your games, boys, with an on-topic factoid:

Earl Murray and Ronald Beasley were killed by the mistake or malfeasance of badge-bearing authority June 12, 2000, in Dellwood, MO (near Ferguson, MO).                

In 2000, these two unarmed young men were shot and killed in a Jack-in-the-Box parking lot in the suburban town of Berkeley (adjacent to Ferguson, MO), by a pair of officers assigned to a county-wide drug task force.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-murray-shooting-20140825-story.html

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 05:33 PM

UK immigration is quite different. Mostly, in the UK, we do not shoot people because they are black or swarthy. It seems very commonplace in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 06:45 PM

Richard Bridge to Nowhere: " ...we do not shoot people because they are black or swarthy...."

You ought come over...Shooting of blacks is done more by blacks than white cops..by a long-shot. You are too overcome with overly politicized press releases. Just sows you what world you live in...the 'reality of talking points'......(NOT the real world!).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 07:06 PM

Ah, Goofus, best check the statistics on shootings of black folks vs. white folks instead of spouting your usual err....folklore..

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 08:06 PM

"A disproportionate amount of the murder victims and perpetrators of homicide are Black and brown men. That said, there is also a fundamental problem in America with "white on white violence."

I have been reviewing this data for years and last year's numbers are representative of the last decade:

    In 2011, of the 12,664 murder victims in America, 50% were Black and 46% were white.

    In 2011, 52% of the offenders in these murders were Black and 45% were white.

    One other stat: 90% of perpetrators were men.

So, as the FBI crime statistics make clear, while we must work to decrease Black on Black crime, we also must call for a focus on white on white crime. The vast majority of homicides are "intra-racial" -- that is Blacks kill other Blacks and whites kill other whites. If nearly 46% of homicide victims in America are white, there are thousands of white victims of murder each and every year killed by other whites. What of their lives?"


Keep in mind, that "A disproportionate amount of the murder victims and perpetrators of homicide are Black and brown men."


    In 2011, of the 12,664 murder victims in America, 50% were Black and 46% were white.

    In 2011, 52% of the offenders in these murders were Black and 45% were white.......and the black population in America is 19-17%.

Yes Greg, Black on black murders are way out of proportion to the population.

I suggest you do some homework before you spout your biased nonsense!!

...but I seriously doubt you will!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 08:27 PM

Ah yes, the Bigot's Friend And Excuse- "Black on Black Crime".

Take that up with Walter Scott's family, eh Goofus?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: pdq
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 08:53 PM

"In 2011, 52% of the offenders in these murders were Black and 45% were white.......and the black population in America is 19-17%." ~ GfS


Sorry to say, but you are repeating highly doctored and politicized statistics.

So, illegal Mexican street gang thugs are now White???

Also, Blacks are less than 12% of the population if you count even some of the illegal aliens now living in the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 09:33 PM

Thanks, PeeDee, for your usual load of irrelevant(and thinly disguised racist) bullshit.

HINT: Re-Read the title of the thread & the OP.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 10:52 PM

Look at the cases of US police killing and brutality. In far too many cases the police aggressor is white or white-ish and the victim black. Or is that too hard for you to understand?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: olddude
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:27 AM

Sure seems to be a problem to me. I went nuts when I saw the video recently of that cop beating the hell out of that little 14 year old girl at that pool party. Something is wrong all over and I am glad now it is coming to light.

Had I been at that pool, I would be in jail and that cop would be in the hospital. I would have loved to show him what it feels like.

Oh before I forget.. Bite me Richard

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: olddude
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 01:34 AM

Oh and they let the bastard resign. Ahh how about assault charges.. No.. #@#

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 12:30 PM

Dan, watch the ol' BP there buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 02:17 PM

olddude--one thing that was good, and different, was that the cop admitted that he did the wrong thing--not a lot of that going on..

one point that is lost here is that for a lot our imbalanced crazies, cops are targets-check our this morning's Attack on Dallas Police Headquarters--a disturbed individual in an armored vehicle smashed into a police car, drops of a couple bombs, sprays the building with what sounds a lot like an automatic weapon, and takes off. You can see the video.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 07:11 PM

pdq: "Sorry to say, but you are repeating highly doctored and politicized statistics."

I posted a cut and pasted an article from the Huffington Post, a very liberal 'news source'....As you pointed out, they ARE doctored stats...liberally doctored!....The ACTUAL stats are much higher!!
In Chicago, there were more black on black murders than there were fatalities in Afghanistan, for the same period of time!!

Greg F., If you got something to say, as in a factual statistic somewhere, just post it to 'prove your point'. Once again you've said NOTHING of value, except your usual and boring juvenile name calling. If you're going to contribute, then contribute. Shouting down people with NO salient rebuttal is just another one of you pedantic waste of time. You've proved NOTHING, except how indoctrinated you are....and childish.
Try to do better...or shut up!.......(and I'm being polite!).


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 08:34 PM

Try to do better...or shut up!

Try taking your own advice, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 10:14 PM

Actually US police deaths on the job are at a low right now.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 07:37 AM

Fugitive from Sanity - look at the cases of US police killing and brutality. In far too many cases the police aggressor is white or white-ish and the victim black. Or is that too hard for you to understand?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 12:49 PM

Bridged: "Fugitive from Sanity - look at the cases of US police killing and brutality."

Well the thread title is, "Racism in US police (Ferguson)"

OK...Ferguson...Big guy comes at cop punching him while he's in his patrol car, through the window, and then proceeds to try to go for the cop's gun...runs away, then comes back charging him, and gets his ass shot..dead.....

Your point is........????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 01:24 PM

To our British snoots who criticize America for their racism:

"To start with, British traders supplied slaves for the Spanish and Portuguese colonists in America. However, as British settlements in the Caribbean and North America grew, often through wars with European countries such as Holland, Spain and France, British slave traders increasingly supplied British colonies

The exact number of British ships that took part in the Slave Trade will probably never be known but, in the 245 years between Hawkins first voyage and the abolition of the Slave Trade in 1807, merchants in Britain despatched about 10,000 voyages to Africa for slaves, with merchants in other parts of the British Empire perhaps fitting out a further 1,150 voyages.

Historian, Professor David Richardson, has calculated that British ships carried 3.4 million or more enslaved Africans to the Americas."

Source

(Not that you even care!)....and then you pompously lecture us!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 01:57 PM

That's right, Goofus, and they also abolished slavery 58 years before the U.S. did, and they didn't need a war to bring it about.

Now, back to the subject of the thread, which is the 21st Century, not tbhe 17th, 18th, or 19th.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 02:28 PM

It is written that Samson slew a thousand Philistines with the jaw-bone of an ass.

With every post, Goofup commits suicide with the same weapon.

Frank N. Stein

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 05:31 PM

Actually, for the British Empire it was only slave trade that was abolished in 1807. Slavery itself, was not abolished til 1833, except for the East India Company, where it remained til 1843.

And, also actually,Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Vermont banned slavery in 1780, before they became part of the United States. By the 1840's, slavery had been abolished in all of the Northern States.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:07 PM

No, fugitive from sanity. Slavery in England has never been recognised by the common law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart.

And the fatal shot was fired when there was ABSOLUTELY no chance of Brown reaching Wilson.

And - "

Department of Justice investigation into the Ferguson Police Department[edit]
On September 5, 2014, the U. S. Department of Justice began an investigation of the Ferguson, Missouri police force to examine whether officers routinely engaged in racial profiling or showed a pattern of excessive force. The investigation was separate from the federal department's other investigation of the shooting of Michael Brown.[229] The results of the investigation were released in a March 4, 2015 report, which concluded that police officers in Ferguson routinely violated the constitutional rights of the city's residents, by discriminating against African Americans and applying racial stereotypes, in a "pattern or practice of unlawful conduct".[230][231]

Brown family lawsuit[edit]
On April 23, 2015, the Brown family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Wilson, Jackson, and the City of Ferguson, asking for damages in excess of $75,000 as well as attorney's fees.[232][233]

Dorian Johnson lawsuit[edit]
On April 29, 2015, Johnson filed a lawsuit against Wilson, Jackson, and the City of Ferguson for being stopped by Wilson without probable cause, reasonable suspicion or legal justification to detain him. The lawsuit claimed that according to the findings of the DOJ report about the Ferguson Police Department, law enforcement efforts focussed on generating revenue rather than protecting the town's citizens. Johnson seeks US$25,000 in damages.[234][235][236]"

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:11 PM

Alas, NOT actually. For example:

* Slavery was abolished in MA as the result of a 1783 court ruling.

* Under PA act of 1780, those born before 1780 remained slaves for life, and were not finally freed until 1847. Children born to slave parents after 1780 remained indentured servants, (i.e. slaves) until age 28.

* The Vermont Constitition of 1777 abolished slavery, but in reality slaves were still owned in VT until the mid to late 1830's.

* New Jersey was the last of the Northern states to abolish slavery completely & there were slaves there as late as 1865.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:38 PM

...and the Democrats consistently vote against, and blocked integration, in the South...

To say that the British stopped the slave trade, just because slavery was voted down in Britain is ludicrous!

...ask Gandhi.....or the Fathers of the American Revolution, who felt it was British slavery, demanding high taxes without representation...a for of slavery to the 'Crown'!

You guys spin so much, that by the time you stopped being dizzy from it, dementia sets in...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:42 PM

typo in last post...
Should read...."a form of slavery to the 'Crown'!"

We fought for our FREEDOM...you lost..Got it?...and you still have brain-lock!

Prissy small minded idiots!~


GfS

As for Don, his hero John Locke was very much in favor of the people keeping their SLAVES, as property!...that went down in defeat, as well!

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:50 PM

"Don" who?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:52 PM

To say that the British stopped the slave trade, just because slavery was voted down in Britain is ludicrous!

What's ludicrous, Goofus, is YOU, as usual since you obviously haven't any knowledge whatsoever about Britain's involvement with ENFORCING the ban on the slave trade.

Yet another attempted suicide by ass jawbone.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:04 PM

Locke exercised a profound influence on political philosophy, in particular on modern liberalism. His arguments concerning liberty and the social contract influenced the written works of Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers of the United States. In fact, one passage from the Second Treatise is reproduced verbatim in the Declaration of Independence, the reference to a "long train of abuses." Such was Locke's influence that Thomas Jefferson wrote: "Bacon, Locke and Newton . . . I consider them as the three greatest men that have ever lived, without any exception, and as having laid the foundation of those superstructures which have been raised in the Physical and Moral sciences."

Considering changes in his thinking over time, it seems clear that Locke ended up not trying to justify Afro-American slavery. More likely, he was accusing the King of England of trying to illegitimately enslave the English people.

And Goofus, John Locke is not my hero as you claim. He wrote a lot of good stull, but I do not agree with everything he wrote.

Goofus, your ignorance is so abysmal that it's simply impossible to educate you without starting from scratch, like going back to kindergarten. But even that is undoubtedly fruitless because your alleged mind is already so full of confused ideas, prejudices, and misconceptions that it would be a hopeless task.

Back to your music, Goofus. Leave off attempts at political discussion and stick to writing imitation Vangelis.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:34 PM

As usual, nothing of value, or consequence to say from the village idiots.

Next....

GfS

P.S...and Donny Boy, Locke was not against slavery, in fact, quite the opposite.

At least you signed your name....this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:41 PM

Haven't read much Locke, have you. ANY?

I didn't think so.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 11:51 PM

By the way, Goofus:

From John Locke's Two Treatises on Government:

"Slavery is so vile and miserable an estate of man, and so directly opposite to the generous temper and courage of our nation; that it is hardly to be conceived that England man, much less a gentleman, should plead for it."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 01:05 AM

For What it's worth:

"Here are the FACTS on the late Freddie Gray of Baltimore:

Freddie Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury and had severe nerve damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate Insurance was paying him for, in a structured settlement. This monthly payment and drug money were his means of support. Freddie had had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries over the past 4 1/2 years. His most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested on April 12. He was on doctor's orders to remain home and in bed to speed recovery from that major operation. Instead, Freddie was out manufacturing and distributing drugs on the streets of Baltimore, and strenuously resisting arrest.

Freddie had a long criminal history (rap sheet):   many pages long for manufacturing and distributing drugs and controlled substances, including heroin, cocaine, crack cocaine and marijuana. He had been convicted of numerous other felonies including assault, firearms violations, breaking and entering, armed robbery, receiving stolen property, and the list goes on and on from his 18th birthday. In Baltimore County, juvenile records are forever sealed except by judicial order. (www.mdjudiciarycaseresearch) Freddie, known on the streets as "Pepper", was 25 years old, 5'8" and weighed 145 lbs. when last arrested. He had been incarcerated at least 12 times, the longest stretch being 2 years in prison in Maryland.

Freddie had recently tried to convert his structured settlement from Allstate into a lump sum payment from Peachtree Funding, of Atlanta. Friends say he was confused by the paperwork and legal terminology.

Following his arrest, Freddie was placed into the paddy wagon by the police officers who had arrested him ---- 3 black officers and 3 white. He could have easily slipped on the floor or bench, or twisted his neck or shoulders to reopen his recently fused and weakened spine. Enroute to the County jail, the paddy wagon stopped once so that officers could put leg restraints on Freddie to calm him down and restrict his movement.

Freddie was a dangerous career felon, well-known to the BPD officers, with a damaged and healing spine and neck, and was supposed to be home healing a week and a half after surgery. He should not have been running around on the streets of Baltimore committing drug felonies and resisting arrest.

Now, why are so many residents of Baltimore destroying their own city with looting and arson? Because it's a good way to get new shoes and TVs for free? Seems to be. They sure know how to pick their heroes, don't they?

By the way, none of the eight BPD officers who arrested Freddy has ever had a complaint against him for brutality or use of excessive force.

          Freddie Grays arrest record:

    03-20-15 dealing cocaine
    08-28-08 possession of narcotics
    10-05-12 illegal gambling
    01-25-14 possession of narcotics over 10 grams
    08-24-07 manufacturing and distribution narcotics
    08/29-07 distribution of narcotics
    09-16-08 distribution of narcotics
    04-16-08 distribution of narcotics
    05-09-12 distribution of narcotics
    01-04-15 distribution of narcotics
    12-31-14 distribution of narcotics
    05-13-14 stolen property
    07-16-08 distribution of narcotics
    03-28-08 possession of narcotics
    02-12-08 distribution of narcotics
    09-29-13 distribution of narcotics
    12-04-14 distribution of narcotics
    12-04-14 possession of narcotics
    03-20-08 burglary
    03-20-08 possession of narcotics
    09-21-07 distribution of narcotics
    04-30-08 unlawful possession (two counts)"

   

    (Source Maryland Dept of Justice)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 01:31 AM

NONE of which are capital crimes.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:18 AM

Fugitive from sanity: -

"Two bystanders captured Gray's arrest with video recordings, showing Gray, screaming in pain,[35] being dragged to a police van by officers, and then stepping up into the van. A bystander with connections to Gray stated that the officers were previously "folding" Gray—with one officer bending Gray's legs backwards, and another holding Gray down by pressing a knee into Gray's neck, subsequent to which most witnesses contemporaneously commented that he "couldn't walk",[36] "can't use his legs",[37] and "his leg look broke and you all dragging him like that".[38] Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts noted from the video that, "Gray stood on one leg and climbed into the van on his own."[39] The Baltimore Sun reported that another witness saw Gray being beaten with police batons.[5][40]

According to the police timeline, Gray was placed in a transport van within 11 minutes of his arrest, and within 30 minutes, paramedics were summoned to take Gray to a hospital.[41] The van made four confirmed stops while Gray was detained. At 8:46 a.m., Gray was unloaded in order to be placed in leg irons because police said he was acting irate. Gray's shackling was recorded on a cellphone, which exhibited a motionless Gray surrounded by several officers as he was restrained.[42] A later stop, recorded by a private security camera, shows the van stopped at a grocery store. At 8:59 a.m., a second prisoner was placed in the vehicle while officers checked on Gray's condition.[5][43][44] At 9:24 a.m., the transport van arrived at its final stop, the West District police station. After paramedics treated Gray for 21 minutes, he was taken to the University of Maryland R Adams Cowley Shock Trauma Center at 9:45 a.m. in a coma.[45][46]"

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 08:41 AM

Hey, Goofus, if that screed is from the "Maryland Dept of Justice" (and not the Maryland KKK), post a link so we can verify that, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:19 AM

Here's why Guest from Inanity didn't want to reveal where he found the Freddie Gray post that he C&P'ed. As with everything else Goofus posts, consider the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:32 AM

GfS, I must take issue with your cut and paste post.

Here is what Mr Snopes has to say about it.

As for many others of you, do some f****** research because frankly you sound pretty clueless when you accuse each other or name call. The 'he said no he said' school of thought is really a school of thoughtlessness in which some folks just love to posture. Too many here don't recognize facts if they disagree with their opinions.

There are more slaves today than at any time in world history. And there hasn't been one single economist whose theories have stood the test of time. And that includes Locke. YMMV. Have a NICE day.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:44 AM

Thank you Guest #

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 12:29 PM

Yes, Guest #, thanks for that link, and also the associated comments. And also for reminding us that slavery still exists on a huge scale--

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:02 PM

Does anyone posting in this thread want to end systemic racism? If so, what is your plan for accomplishing that?

Does infighting amongst white folks help your plan?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM

Here in the UK we have got most of our national and local politicians to acknowledge that it exists and is a bad thing and to understand that any in their number who give even the slightest hint that they don't think that way will be regarded as an electoral liability and dumped by their party. (The extent to which this applies to UKIP is uncertain)

How are you doing over there ?

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:42 PM

that it exists in some institutions

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:51 PM

How are you doing over there ?

Well, the Democrats have got their act together pretty well, but the Republicns are anopther story. They're still re-running Ronnie Raygun's "Black welfare queen" speech at every opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:26 PM

It seems to depend on which part of the country you're looking at. Things aren't too bad in my neck of the woods (West Coast, Pacific Northwest specifically)—not perfect by any means, but not as bad as some areas.

Some southern states still seem to be fighting the Civil War. Too bad one can't saw some of them loose from the rest of the country and set them adrift in the Caribbean or Atlantic….

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:57 PM

Most of the people we get on here are OK. But there are some in the UK and a few more from the USA who still seem to think that "other ethnicities" are inferior, reading both their posts and between their lines.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:49 PM

Some southern states still seem to be fighting the Civil War.

SOME ???

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 06:23 PM

Not exactly what one could call gracious loosers....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 06:34 PM

Not only will they not admit that they lost, Don, but they won't admit what they were fighting for in the first instance.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 06:38 PM

I would point out that AFAIK, USers describing how things are getting better here are not Black.

A few well publicized cases are not changing things on the street. The system overall has not changed. It's not time to pat ourselves on the back just yet.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Sean Belt
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 03:11 PM

You all just make me sad. There is huge racism in the US and the UK and India and Japan and anywhere in the world where different races live in the same vicinity. It's the human condition and anyone who believes differently is fooling themself. The best we can hope for is that people will recognize that sickness in themselves and work to overcome it and be better people.

I live in St. Louis near Ferguson. I'll tell you, there are big problems with racism here. And with police brutality, a failed educational system, crushing poverty, too many guns available to too many young people, young black men killing other young black men and women at an alarming rate and more terrible things than I can rehearse here. But at the same time there are moments of hope and people who are working against all odds to correct these things and make this a better community for everyone. I assume that this or something very like this is going on all over the world.

How about giving up on wasting your energy sniping at one another and go out and do one thing to help another human being today. Redirect your energy towards kindness.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 03:39 PM

Sean, that is a beautiful post.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 12:50 AM

Bravo Sean!!

BTW, the reason the 'so-called liberals' would rather snipe, than go out and actually help someone, is that the 'so-called' liberals' are waiting for yet, another government program to do it FOR them.....so to do that, we have to borrow more money from China, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia, etc. etc. to do that, so the banksters can make more taxpayer's money from the interest of those 'loans'


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Sean Belt
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 11:51 AM

Guest from Sanity, I'm making an assumption here that you are genuine in your beliefs about liberals and how they think and not just trolling. With that in mind, I'll tell you you are dead wrong in this generalization. I am a liberal through and through (well, actually more of a socialist on economic issues and a liberal or progressive on social issues, but whatever...) and have been for as long as I've been observing and thinking about the world. Your accusation is not only small-minded and mean-spirited, but it is not within the bounds of fact.

I am not waiting for yet another government program to fix things. Nor are the other liberals I know and talk with. We believe that government is there to help the helpless and to take care of the things that are too big to be trusted to individuals. We believe that our society has a responsibility to be humanitarian, charitable and to lead by example and that the government is a good tool for making sure that those values are there when needed.

Does the U.S. (or any) government make mistakes and cause unfortunate unintended consequences? Sure. Sometimes. So does any other man made system of governance. But it also has stunning successes. The interstate highway system that everyone in the U.S. uses is a good example of this. As are Medicare and Social Security; both programs that do a lot of good and are very well run. Advances in medicine like polio vaccination, eradicating small pox, virtual elimination of some cancers would not have happened without the support of government funding. I could go on and on about the good that government has done, but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

Maybe it would benefit you to lay off the name calling ('so-called liberals') and deal with individuals rather than imaginary groups of people that you don't really understand. A little compassion would also go a long way to helping you see things less negatively.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 12:43 PM

Now THAT'S what I call a nice post!
Very well said, Sean.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 01:37 PM

Amen! Right on the mark.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 02:26 PM

I believe very much as you do, as you've stated it, Sean.

And in the light of that, lately I've been looking long and hard at Bernie Sanders. Sounds like the best thing to come down the pike since FDR.

For those whose history is a bit fuzzy, FDR put a country in the middle of a severe depression back to work with such programs as the WPA and the CCC, along with several other "alphabet agencies," which not only fed a lot of people, but rebuilt the country's crumbling infrastructure. He also instituted Social Security and several similar programs, while setting up agencies to regulate Wall Street and the Banking industry, which were robbing people blind. All, of course, to the howling and caterwauling of the moneyed interests.

Ronald Reagan systematically began dismantling FDR's programs and regulatory agencies, which is one of the major reasons why things are way to hell and gone out of balance now and getting moreso.

Bernie Sanders talks more like FDR than anyone I've heard in recent years. He said that he's been looking long and hard at some of the Scandinavian countries, wherein live some of the happiest people on the planet, to see how they do it.

I'm watching closely....

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 02:37 PM

Nice post, Sean, although you leave out that the present UK government and the US Republicans in fact have no desire to do good, merely to eliminate any opposition to the demands of capital/the ultra-rich (and in the US, religious nutters). They actively want to oppress the poor. In short they are evil and malign, and anybody who votes for them other than the ultra-rich is stupid, bigoted, or blinded by propaganda produced for the benefit of the rich by the rich who own the media.

None of which relates to the rampant racism evident in the way the largely white US police brutalise and kill a disproportionate number of black victims - and then spread lies about them. Or to the rampant authoritarianism evident in demands that everybody instantly obeys all police demands - whether lawful or not. I expect we will see some of the latter on Saturday in the anti-austerity demo in London (England).

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 03:24 PM

Richard, I am sorry to see that you continue to respond to trolling comments.

I do not see you as the others seem, to, however, especially when you say this: ...the rampant racism evident in the way the largely white US police brutalise and kill a disproportionate number of black victims - and then spread lies about them...

... with which view I (and most people of the global majority also) agree.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 04:31 PM

Too long for the blickymaker - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/11/1392348/-Fox-s-Key-McKinney-Witness-Sean-Toon-and-his-Wife-were-with-people-who-attacked-Pool-Party-Host#

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:26 AM

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) 18 June 2015 — A white man opened fire during a prayer meeting inside a historic black church in downtown Charleston, killing nine people, including the pastor, in an assault authorities described as a hate crime.

Article Here

I think its a while since a church full of Black folks was gunned down in the U.K., but correct me if I'm wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:26 AM

I have a question. Why don't one of you start your very own site and go argue with each other there? Isn't that a good idea? You could call it the 'I Love Me And My Opinins Blog.' Frankly, you sound like a bunch of narrow-minded wankers with your heads firmly planted in your arses. If you don't want to do that then how about you just piss off. Collectively you destroy every f****** thread you post to. Go away!

Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM

Greg, it will surely hit the fan now. Hadn't seen that story yet. Thanks for the info.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:36 AM

Further to Greg's link:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charleston-black-church-shooting-suspect-still-at-large-after-9-killed-1.3118131

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 11:10 AM

What's Old Is New Again! Probably a mercy that Dick Fariña isn't around to see this.


Police identify gunman who killed nine in South Carolina church attack
(Reuters) 13 minutes ago

The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina....

Sylvia Johnson, a cousin of the Reverend Clementa Pinckney, told MSNBC that a survivor told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.

"He [Roof] just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.

"Post Racial America" at its finest.

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-erupts-church-charleston-south-carolina-021744448.html

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Sean Belt
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 11:57 AM

From Richard Bridge: "Nice post, Sean, although you leave out that the present UK government and the US Republicans in fact have no desire to do good, merely to eliminate any opposition to the demands of capital/the ultra-rich (and in the US, religious nutters)."

See, this is where we part ways, I guess. I believe that most people want to do good, though they may have different views than I do about how it should be done. And please don't bring up Nazis or Pol Pot or others who are unquestionably evil. I acknowledge them. I just believe they are the exception and not the rule.

"None of which relates to the rampant racism evident in the way the largely white US police brutalise and kill a disproportionate number of black victims - and then spread lies about them."

There is racism evident in the U.S. police and in pretty much all areas of the U.S. My point isn't that I deny that, but that there are also people of good will trying to change that.

Your obvious passion for your point of view seems to make it hard for you to see others'. I'll bow out of this conversation at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 15 - 08:41 AM

Civil rights violations by police claimed in fleeing man's death
By Dennis Yusko
Friday, June 19, 2015

Ballston Spa, NY

A wrongful death suit filed Friday alleges Saratoga Springs police officers targeted an African-American man for arrest, beat him so severely that he later died from his injuries, and engaged in a cover-up engineered by their bosses to hide the excessive force.

Article Here

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 15 - 05:27 PM

Britain remains the only country that as a matter of policy made an entire race of man extinct. Tasmanians are now extinct.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 15 - 05:31 PM

In Silver Spring Maryland, hometown of Lewis Black and Sandra Bollock, there were Ferguson type problems. The solution became as simple as having a female Police Chief.

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 02:57 PM

http://atlantablackstar.com/

Just watched the video on why it's so hard to convict cops. Great summary. As I've said, Individual Racism (prejudice) is now a legal defense.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Racism in US police (Ferguson)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 15 - 03:34 AM

Shouldn't that be Sandra Bullock, or is there a new pornstar I have not heard of?