BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 04:28 AM

A parallel could be drawn to schools who think that they know better than parents and confiscate items of food that they consider "unhealthy" from pupils' lunch boxes.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 04:30 AM

I think the opening premise of "Eating habits cf Sexual habits" is a bit false. If I understand the question correctly we are being asked if tolerance should be applied to the meat eaters in the same way as it is now applied to black and gay people. Well, the two cannot be compared. Being black or gay is not a choice while eating meat or not is. OK, it may seem a little intolerant of meat eaters but by insisting that you should be able to eat meat wherever you want, is that not being intolerant of a strict vegetarian lifestyle? Maybe the question should be more like eating habits cf religious habits then we would be comparing like with like?

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 04:39 AM

That was me @ 04:28 AM

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 10:21 AM

Alternatively, what if a believer, with many friends who believe, demands that everyone should say grace before they eat?
This is not hypothetical. It has happened to me on a number of occasions.

Has it really Steve?
I find that extraordinary.
I have been at many, many meals where grace has been said but I have never, ever known more than one person to say it.

All that has ever been expected of the others present is the normal consideration of not interrupting anyone talking, but never to say it themselves too.

Even a mumbled "Amen" is entirely voluntary and optional.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 02:36 PM

This is a question of ettiquette rather than ethics. Should a guest accede to the host's norms, or should the host make an effort to accommodate the guests? Most hosts will do the latter, and will do their best to provide food that suits their guests, whether vegetarian, kosher, gluten-free etc. Most guests will do their best to eat what is put in front of them.

I think the underlying complaint is that vegetarians usually seem expect their host to accommodate their dietary preferences, but won't do the same when they are the host themselves. Sauce for the goose, if that isn't an unfortunate metaphor. Where this argument fails is that few people, if any, are total carnivores, and most will also eat vegetables.

I'm one who regards most vegetables as mere garnish, and my heart usually sinks when I'm told to expect vegetarian fare. It usually turns out to be utterly delicious.

While I have some sympathy with the idea that vegetarian hosts should cater for their carnivore guests, it is actually no hardship to have one
meal without meat. Acknowledging the host's sensibilities should be part of being a good guest. My advice is to go to the party and enjoy the food you're offered. If you really can't cope without meat get a burger on the way home.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 07:30 AM

If you had nudist friends, would you expect them to wear clothes in your house, and would you expect them to let you wear clothes if you visited them?

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 07:57 AM

Most serious nudists practice their nudity in their leisure hours in specialised places that cater for such things. Not generally at work, out shopping, or visiting friends.

Again, not exactly a good analogy.

The sensible answer has already been stated earlier on: simply find out what the expectations of the event are on the part of the host, and then decide whether to go or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 08:56 AM

For the second time only I think this anonymous voice from the back row agrees completely with Keith A of Hertford.

I can't remember hearing a grace in which the sentiment expressed was not reasonable in broadly humanist (or similar) terms. Were it not for a leading 'Oh Lord' or similar I would regularly be happy to join in with a hearty 'Amen'.

I think that one conservative, but very experienced, priest uses the form "We give thanks for" rather than "We thank you for" as a courtesy to in-laws and other guests.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 09:41 AM

I heartily recommend silent prayer as a useful workaround. I'd even make it voluntary.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 02:05 PM

"If you had nudist friends, would you expect them to wear clothes in your house, and would you expect them to let you wear clothes if you visited them?"

I knew a couple many years ago who had a sign on their door.."Warning..nudity practiced here. If that offends you, don't knock" It kept most surveys away. They didn't require you to be nude for a short visit, but expected it if you were going to be there for awhile- like at a party.

Silent prayer? Sure... even better, a "moment of silence" in which some could offer silent prayer, and others could simply take a moment to relax & reflect. I have been to several gathering where this is done as everyone held hands.

I am not sure why 'some' Christian groups feel that 'God' won't pay attention unless they pray fervently and aloud, invoking Jesus at everyone...Jew, atheist, Muslim. I was a member of a society whose topic was woodworking, but which had a majority of conservative Christians. Several Jewish members and atheists learned to time their bathroom break just before the meeting convened.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 15 - 03:57 PM

"Warning..nudity practiced here. If that offends you, don't knock"

Cor, you'd have thought that a nudist gathering would welcome extra knockers...

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jul 15 - 02:46 AM

sheesh, Steve S. Two to a customer only, surely.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 15 - 08:56 AM

In England "Practise" is a verb.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 15 - 01:10 PM

The quote was by a yank, Richard. In Yankistan it's "practice" in every context. Obviously, I don't like it any more than you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: GUEST,rh1
Date: 08 Jul 15 - 12:58 PM

What is this work coming too?

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 15 - 04:29 PM

Where does a gay, black, carnivorous nudist fit in all of this....?

Don Firth

P. S. For that matter, a transvestite nudist has a real problem!

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 15 - 04:40 PM

Hmm...lotsa problems here....

Can a vegan perform cunnilingus without compromising his principles?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 15 - 04:51 PM

(I must be butter, 'cause I'm on a roll!)

Ebbie's comment reminds me:

Contrary to Scripture, God made Woman first. And He made her with three breasts. The woman thought for a moment, then said, "God, to all intents and purposes, I really think just two breast will be sufficient." God put forth his thought and removed (painlessly) the third breast, leaving her with the standard two.

God stood there with the surplus breast in His hand and thought: "Now, what can I do with a useless boob?"

Then God made Man.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits
From: GUEST,rh1
Date: 09 Jul 15 - 05:52 PM

It is what it is!