BS: How disturbed should I be?

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 08:56 AM

I agree with the "Not your circus" comment from guest. I despise the whole of the beauty industry and the "Because you think you're worthless" message it sends to all and sundry. However, this is my personal take and to press my opinion on anyone else regardelss of colour or culture is wrong. No one is in the same place regards self-esteem and concept of beauty.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 07:09 AM

DmG......what precisely would Azizi's side be?....Seems to me that some dark skinned people use these products because they want to look "less dark"....for whatever reason, possibly fashion.

Personally I think it has more to do with personality problems than anything else, and the producers are preying upon human insecurity.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 07:01 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/24/dark-skin-india-prejudice-whitening

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 02:48 AM

Then just keep your 'open mind'.....you'll be less disturbed.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 02:22 AM

"very conflicted feelings'???????
Why???

Because that is what having an open mind means. When you see something that the culture accepts but reminds you of things other cultures have rejected you think about them.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 02:11 AM

DmcG, You are correct....she doesn't use it herself....I think...but 'your concerns' are really quite petty

"We went out to a shopping mall with some of them and amongst the beauty products I noticed a "Skin Whitening Facial Kit" and it left me with very conflicted feelings. On the one hand, it is their culture, not mine; and anyway there are plenty of attitudes to beauty in Europe and the US that I dislike. On the other, it reminds me very strongly of some of the attitudes directed the US civil rights movement fought long and hard to get rid of."

"very conflicted feelings'???????
Why???

"On the other, it reminds me very strongly of some of the attitudes directed the US civil rights movement fought long and hard to get rid of."

...and all that, concerning you, I already covered....the part that the dupes are all pissy about, was my response to Richard Bridge's question regarding 'Guest's' post. OK??

Now get over it....
I did!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 02:01 AM

sorta like DMcG's concerns that his daughter-in-law is tarnishing his political self image, by wanting to lighten her skin.


Oh dear, Sanity, you really don't read the threads do you? I have made it very clear that
(a) my daughter in law does not, as far as I can tell, lighten her skin

(b) If she did, I would see it as her decision and it would not bother me.

(c) I only mentioned her at all to explain how I came to see the product.

Earlier you suggested I had a closed mind. Well, we all have to some extent, and it can be very hard to see our own blinkers. But I reckon I have had some indirect evidence in the last week that I am not too bad.   My daughter is working in Thailand and in the village everyone has nicknames. After around two months they have finally settled on hers, which translates to "Woman with an open mind and open arms". I think that is brilliant and I'd be proud to have the male version of that as my epitaph. She has fully earned it in my opinion. But I feel I am entitled to a smidgen of credit because we have always encouraged those attributes.

You claim I have a closed min

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 02:01 AM

...and the post, prior to my last one, was just DF beating his chest again....

"The voice of deception has UN-even rhythms!
Listen to the man who's afraid
The man who's afraid has all sorts of answers,
To the problems inside his own head!..." Biff Rose, 1968..(old hat).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 01:40 AM

Oh No!...The instigators are 'disturbed'!

IF you read Richard's post, and understood it, you'd know EXACTLY the relevance. My answer was straight ahead, in answering his question, relating to 'Guest's' comment: 'Why is Guest 0904's post still standing?'

So what's the game now?? Pretending to play dumb, and blaming it on ME???? ....

...."From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 09:04 PM

Hussein Obama has traind you well, ducklings. focus on skin color. Focus on skin color."

You guys blame any, and everybody who comments, contrary to the propagandized 'party line', as a 'hater', 'bigot', blah blah blah, and etc. etc., when hate and bigotry have NOTHING whatsoever to do with where they are coming from!...no wonder your brains bleed! You can't fathom ANY reasoning passed your predisposed brainwashing...left over from the '60's, when it actually worked! Nobody is buying that crap anymore!..except you guys.
Your 'party line' IS the distraction....and so is the 'so-called right's party line'......meanwhile, while you beat your drums to it, the REAL hidden agenda marches on.
Some of you are just UN-witting dupes..and just don't get it...others are just promoters of the 'distractions'....as in 'suicidal and proud of it!!'

The average person, on the street isn't buying your much promoted crap, any longer, and you guys don't seem to believe that that is possible...thereby marginalizing yourselves.....except to other die-hard dupes......

...sorta like DMcG's concerns that his daughter-in-law is tarnishing his political self image, by wanting to lighten her skin.

Think about it...but don't hurt yourselves!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 07:29 PM

And what, pray tell, does the subject of this thread have to do with the Affordable Care Act (characterized by its opponents as "Obamacare")?

Clue to the clueless: Yes, this is a musician's forum, but the purpose of the BS section is to give space to those musicians who might wish to discuss other subjects. And, yes, GoofuS, I can tell you are a musician by the way you whistle through your nether orifice.

Back under the bridge!!

Billy Goat Gruff

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 06:55 PM

Eyes? Trying to make sense out of Goofus will make your BRAIN bleed.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 01:43 PM

I gave up after 'Richard, to answ' when I realised it was goofus. No reason to purposely make your eyes bleed.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 12:36 PM

Are you sure you posted that where you intended, Sanity? The relationship to anything else in the thread seems at best tenuous...

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 12:13 PM

..and beyond most people's.

..just follow the money, which is NOT an end to itself...but a tool to gain the power. The rest is just a nonsensical distraction.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Musket grinning
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 11:53 AM

I bet you didn't expect an answer like that eh Bridge?

I don't know if Goofus has a beard but he just might, given that the alternative is looking at himself in the mirror each day. Still, it explains why US politics is beyond our grasp...

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 11:36 AM

Richard, to answer your questions, with a couple of examples:

Probably because, there has been an unusual amount of race tensions under his administration...possibly for political posturing and/or exploitation, to further promote a 'remedy'...(as in Machiavellian tactics) to 'change' the mood in the country, to further his veiled, strategy, which some people take as 'left wing'...but it is not. At every turn, the mega-corporations have NOT been reigned in, as the 'so-called left' would expect....but instead, they take the focus AWAY from a deeper, hidden agenda...

For instance, Obamacare, is NOT about covering everyone with healthcare, as portrayed, but funneling, by law, all the policies to a select few insurance corporations...which, by the way, are protected with a government 'bail-out' if the program doesn't work....but the 'insured' are NOT set up for a 'bail-out', or even an alternative healthcare solution, should the program fail. Now if you follow the political rhetoric of the 'so-called right', they are offering (read: threatening) a 'solution' by 'repeal and replace' Obamacare, with, (get this), a single payer solution!!....when before, they CLAIMED they opposed the notion!!...(Actually, they are working in tandem).....but the catch is, with that 'new' system, is going to come with a lot of 'other' VERY controlling contingencies, that if originally proposed, neither the 'left' or 'right' populous, would have ever wanted!

Another example, (which I've pointed out before), Jeffery Immelt. He is currently the chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the U.S.-based conglomerate General Electric. He was selected by GE's Board of Directors in 2000 to replace Jack Welch following his retirement. Previously, Immelt had headed up GE's Medical Systems division (now known as GE Healthcare) as its President and CEO....

In February 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn.[14] When President Obama chose to put Jeffrey Immelt at the head of the Economic Advisory Board, he felt that Immelt had attributions in knowing what would help the GLOBAL economy. Obama has reported that Immelt has emerged as one of his top economic advisors in regards to trying to rebuild AMERICA'S economy.[15]

On January 21, 2011, President Obama announced Immelt's appointment as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers, succeeding former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker.[16] The New York Times reported that Obama's appointment of Immelt was "another strong signal that he intends to make the White House more business-friendly."[16] Immelt will retain his post at GE while becoming "chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a newly named panel that President Obama is creating by executive order."[16] Despite this, in July 2011 Immelt's General Electric announced that it is in the process of relocating its X-ray division from Wisconsin to China.[17][18] Immelt had previously referred to China as GE's "second home market".[17]
Not only that, he produces all those dumb squirrely light-bulbs, in China.....while the Obama administration, put into affect, a LAW, that we in America MUST buy them...under the guise of 'environmental' reasons....after he, Immelt, was named 'Job Czar', to put AMERICANS back to work.....but they're all made in China!...not America!

The New York Times reported last month that General Electric earned $14.2 billion in international profits, including, $5.1 billion in the United States. Yet GE did not pay a dime in federal income taxes last year. Oddly, President Obama chose GE Chairman and chief executive Jeffrey Immelt to head his President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

According to the Associated Press, Immelt's compensation package doubled to $15.2 million last year, while this year, GE is seeking major concessions from the unions that represent its shrinking American workforce. That makes Immelt the wrong guy for the job of jobs czar.

Or as former Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold wrote, "Someone like Immelt, who has helped his company evade taxes on its huge profits -- and is now looking to workers to take major pay cuts after his compensation was doubled -- should not lead the administration's effort to create jobs.".......and ship the jobs overseas!!

For more information, from all sides of the spectrum, type, "Jeff Immelt job czar" into your search engine and check out a host of articles....from 'right' to 'left', and even, phony 'middle of the road', news sources.(The link address couldn't fit into the 'blue clicky'....so just highlight,"Jeff Immelt job czar").

It's all theater!!

'BS: How disturbed should I be?'

...but when it's all said and done, I just hope they like good music...because I'm NOT a political animal.
..and as I've said repeatedly, "I'm NOT with the party...I'm with the band!"

(..and this IS supposed to be a MUSICIAN'S forum.....isn't it????)


GfS

P.S. Source: en.Wiki (on top part of post), CBS, & Real Clear politics, plus, as I said, a host of other sites...take your pick...they all agree.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 11:50 AM

Why is Guest 0904's post still standing?

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?in Mauritius
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 08:45 AM

And by the way the only reason oh n mentioned my daughter in law was to explain how I came to see this product in a shop window
I could have just said "I was in Mauritius recently and saw... but thought it less pretentious to explain the circumstance



circumstances

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 08:25 AM

Thanks for all your comments. I think I need to clarify a few things for Sanity, though. I have no issues at all with
daughter in law or any of her family and as far as I can judge these things she and her family showed us love which I hope we have shown them in return



Nowhere did I say she or any of her family use that or similar products, but if they chose to I see that as their decision, not mine



All of which has nothing to do with whether I think companies are promoting racist attitudes to make more money.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:48 AM

...an addendum:.....

If you ACCEPT her for WHO she IS, and LOVE her, maybe she will too, and the need to live up to YOUR expectations of her image, may fade away as well.

Besides, YOU'RE the elder....set an example!

Best Wishes on your journey....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:44 AM

For what its worth I look around me and shake my head at some of the antics of youth. Mostly things I considered too iffy when I was their age. I am concerned for them, but not offended.
If they were close enough emotionally I might point out the inadvised nature of "whatever", but I interpret the OP as not involving close family.
On the plus side of being observant I see young lovers enjoying each other's company. And it triggers happy memories. & I am happy for those strangers too.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:25 AM

Well, judging from the posts, it doesn't sound like anyone should be, 'disturbed'.
Maybe you, (DMcG) ask the question, "How disturbed should I be?" because you're having a personal conflict, with what your son likes, what she wants to do, and the APPEARANCE, of how it reflects on YOUR 'political adherence' to your political ideological identity.

Be of good cheer, scrap the stupid political identity, and just LOVE your family......that is,if your brain-locked political correctness 'permits' you!! ...but then 'political correctness' has very little in common with down to earth reality.

GfS

P.S. First step to 'Sanity-Land'

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 09:05 AM

GregF -- But it continues, you will recall [from memory] "Gee Officer Krupke, You've done it again; He don't need help, He needs a year in the pen..."

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Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Musket smiling
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 03:22 AM

Sorry BWM, anal bleaching is all the rage in Gainsborough. Back when beauty salons offering laser hair removal had to be registered under healthcare laws and I was regulating healthcare, I had the novel experience of visiting a salon there and it was possibly the first time I saw anal bleaching on a price list.

£45 as I recall.

Makes you think...

Men could have it too, both on its own or as part of a "back, sack 'n crack."

This different universe... Some excellent song material in it all the same, and none of us have to walk far to find it.

(Odd. I thought Goofus made a sane, logical and relevant contribution to the thread. Must go and lie down.)

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 06:45 PM

SNOWBOY (imitating a Judge)
Officer Krupke, you're really a square;
This boy don't need a judge, he
Needs a analyst's care!
It's just his neurosis that oughta be curbed--
He's psychologically disturbed.

RIFF
I'm disturbed!

ALL
We're disturbed, we're disturbed,
We're the most disturbed,
Like we're psychologically disturbed.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 03:33 PM

For years people have told me I am very disturbed but I have never got to the bottom of how disturbed I should be.

Imagine my disappointment on reading this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,0826
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 01:37 PM

I was addressing the OP really Richard. Yours was about the only post with some input from non-white folks.

I have seen ads in the classified section of mags with a professional readership where Asian men are seeking to meet professional Asian women 'with light complexion' for serious relationships. Most of the professional people from northern India I have met do have light complexions. I have assumed that it is 'racist', but no more that a white guy who fancies Scandinavian blue-eye blonds or olive-skinned Latin beauties. Plenty of folk songs where skin tone get a mention.

I suppose I am saying that me being white doesn't make it my problem, it's not my culture.

It was, by the way, me who challenged you over your 'broad brush' approach in the Obama thread. Go on then, what about Ethiopia ? A long Christian tradition. And, I find, many gorgeous looking girls.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 01:00 PM

Well, not really Guest 0826 Mudcat time. As I thought I explained, my G/F is very black and quite accustomed (and very opposed) to the greater favour shown by Afrikans towards Afrikans with paler skins and straighter hair. It is a discrimination on the basis of colour and racial characteristics, and it is the engine room of many toxic chemicals and harmful practices. People are harming themselves trying to look more white because they are indoctrinated, ignorant of the consequences, and more concerned for social advantage than health. It should not be so.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 09:34 AM

Indeed so

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 08:26 AM

I think you need to make the case that there is a racial aspect strong enough to negate the thought that being offended on someone else's behalf when they aren't offended is a bit suspect.

As you said, it's their culture, not yours. It could come over as being patronising. But I think you know that.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 03:08 AM

The skin whitening cream is a fashion. Dark skin denotes pleb, a worker, skivvy, poor. Those wot labour in the sun. White skin means you can stay indoors and endulge in rich-mans' peccadilloes. Ergo, white is rich (looking).

Plenty of Europeans toast their skin on the beaches of Mauritius, and how much of a gamble is that? The skin whitening creams are not that medically benign either.

It is like all fashions, excepting ergonomics which never grows large nor survives the marketing bastardization. Fashion is in the mind, the body must follow. Stiletto heels, body piercing, corsets, dreadlocks; how easy do they make life? But they make some people feel good about themselves, until the years pay them back.

One has to say that the Folk world fashions show a lot more relaxed and functional choices. Makeup in a tent on a rainy day just isn't practical.

But then there is Morris!

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 04:32 PM

Love the person as presented and let time bring the mutual questions. Your ways probably seem (are) a little strange to strangers, too.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 01:34 PM

I agree with you both.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 01:30 PM

I don't think it's so much about racism as it is about companies making a buck.

Almost. Its companies using racism in order to make a buck.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 01:09 PM

I follow your argument, Guest, but I think it is a bit more subtle than that. Agreed, the motivation is profit rather than racism. But I think any advertisement for this product is going to boil down to 'White skin is better', which I would claim promotes racism. SO while the motivation may not be racist, the effect is.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 07:55 AM

I don'tthink it's so much about racism as it is about companies making a buck. All products are developed so they can be sold to people who 'buy into' the latest fashion craze. We've seen this for decades with breast enlargements, lip enhancements, hair dyes, etc. It's not new. The companies for sure capitalize on people's stupidities, and advertizers do know their business. In short, racism can be the result, but it's not the cause.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 05:19 AM

Yay. What's life without a bit of grit in the engine!

☠✌☠

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 04:22 AM

Let's make the truce temporary, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 04:05 AM

Oh, dear! It keeps happening. Having, not 5 minutes since, yet again crossed swords with that egregiously truculent and frequently unmannerly Mr Bridge on another thread, I find a post of his here which I regard as admirable and praiseworthy.

Woe alas! Life is never simple...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 03:08 AM

You should be disturbed.

Skin whiteners are mostly toxic, and the pressure on Afrikans to whiten is a spinoff of racism. I was not aware of this until recently, having lazily assumed that one was either "white" or "black" but it was carefully explained to me by my current G/f - who says of herself "You don't get much blacker than me" - and was a runner up Miss Nigeria in the early 80s. She was talked into entering by friends for a laugh and found that there was a bigger prejudice against darker skins than even she had imagined.

The "norm" of lighter skin being "more beautiful" is racist and prejudicial.

Interestingly, the prejudice that had for years held sway, expressed by the fearful question "Does my bum look big in this?" (probably, I imagine, flowing from institutional paedophilia) seems to be fading, and many women are now proud of (again a quote and not my coinage) "A fine Afrikan arse".

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 02:51 AM

Years ago, I worked with a young Scottish woman. She had the archetypal 'Celtic' pale skin and red hair. She was an independently minded person but she did wear make-up, though - most of the time. Occasionally - probably as a result of getting out of bed late - she would turn up at work with no make-up on. Christ! On those days she was 'sex-on-legs'!

I never mentioned it, though, because, knowing her, I would probably have received a 'Glasgow kiss'!

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 02:21 AM

Mine too.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 02:14 AM

Really? You must live in a different universe from mine.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 09:35 PM

skin lightening ? - we live in a world where anus bleaching and vaginal lip reduction are desirable expensive cosmetic treatments....

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:57 AM

Indeed. The two options were the threadbare suit or the patchy tweed jacket with flannels or corduroys. Always with a tie. (At the end of my first week of teaching in 1958, I set my form to write an essay on their first week. Surprising what they had noticed; one boy wrote of me "Our form teacher wears a different tie every day", which I took as a comment on my colleagues' sartorial habits.)

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Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:43 AM

When I was at (a boys' grammar) school in the late '50s/early '60s, shapeless tweedy jackets with leather patches on the elbows, collar and cuffs, and baggy pleated-front flannels were de rigeur in the staff-room.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:24 AM

"I don't know what you're on about. I was a teacher for 25 years and all the teachers around me were rugged individualists in the way they dressed, etc"
.,,.

Really, Steve? Well, I was one for 30 and my impressions are quite other. Summed up, I think, by a cartoon that appeared once in 'The Teacher' newspaper of which I own the original [my first wife was Features Editor and got to keep the cartoons they published, which just got thrown away otherwise!]. Two boys dressed in the then height of teenage fashion are walking past the staffroom door. A teacher emerging thence, in a three-piece suit, bespectacled, moustached, carrying a briefcase, smoking a pipe (this was then!), says to the colleagues around him, "Isn't it odd how they can never shake off the influence of their peer-group!" Every one of the colleagues is wearing spectacles and a three-piece suit, and carrying a briefcase, and smoking a pipe, and has a moustache...

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Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:01 AM

Thanks for you thoughts, all

Those of you who have been around a while will remember Azizi, who seems to have last posted in November 2014 who usually had strong views on racial matters; I feel her side is under represented
Apart from that, I think we've covered all the essentials.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 07:43 PM

It's a pretty stupid sort of product, in the same way ultra high heels are. There's no reason you shouldn't believe that, but there's nothing you can do about it. Well I suppose if your daughter in law or son brings it up it'd be fair to share your thinking.

The world is full of sensible people doing stupid things.

Subject: RE: BS: How disturbed should I be?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 07:29 PM

I don't know what you're on about. I was a teacher for 25 years and all the teachers around me were rugged individualists in the way they dressed, etc. I am not suggesting that people are encouraged to follow high fashion, whatever that is. But I am suggesting that we have a beauty industry that is very lucrative, largely because it plays on people's gullibilities and insecurities, and it does its damnedest to make sure that we feel so inadequate that we simply must spend a fortune on their useless products. As for me personally, nothing I see in the media or smell in Boots has the slightest effect on me. Give me a pot of swarfega and some grade 40 sandpaper and I'll come up as sweet as a baby's bum every time, I assure you.