BS: Obscure quotations

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 12:44 PM

""Remember, you may have to grow old, but you don't have to mature.""
Red Green

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 26 Oct 15 - 09:56 AM

A majority of the dwellers of Hell will be women who curse too much and
are ungrateful to their spouses.
        --Muhammad Imran, Ideal Women in Islam

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 06:38 AM

Becoming impotent is like being unchained from a lunatic -- George Melly

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 05:03 AM

"The secret to effective online research isn't locating someone with the answer, but filtering out the masses of people who think they have the answer."
is also:
what Rumsfeld called "Unknown knowns" etc
When I say "Knowledge knows what it knows, intelligence knows when it doesn't"
& One clever 'Catter summarized with "the arrogance of ignorance"

sometime less is more, and more effective.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 03:05 AM

"A paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox..."

W S Gilbert, The Pirates of Penzance

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 05:28 PM

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

(Sign hanging in Albert Einstein's Princeton U. office.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 04:57 PM

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
           --Derek Bok

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:54 PM

"When people call at midnight and threaten you with death, you realize you're making a difference."

Paul Lutus

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:50 PM

"The secret to effective online research isn't locating someone with the answer, but filtering out the masses of people who think they have the answer."

Paul Lutus

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 12:39 PM

"The intelligence of that creature known as a crowd is the square root of the number of people in it."

Terry Pratchett

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 15 - 09:29 AM

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people
attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.
        --George Bernard Shaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 05:09 PM

"I have outlived my pecker." - Willie Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 03:19 PM

Whenever cannibals are on the brink of starvation, Heaven, in its infinite mercy, sends them a nice plump missionary.
        --Oscar Wilde

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Oct 15 - 04:35 PM

""But remember what I said about forgetting what I said?""
― Pseudonymous Bosch, The Name of This Book Is Secret

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 06:14 PM

Although volume upon volume is written to prove slavery a very good thing, we never hear of the man who wishes to take the good of it, by being a slave himself.
        --Abraham Lincoln

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 09:54 AM

"What would men be without women?

"Very scarce, sir . . . very scarce."
    --Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 12:13 PM

""Life is simple. You just have to stop trying to figure it out.""
― Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 12:04 PM

""Ideas stand in the corner and laughs while we fight over them"
Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 11:57 AM

""Speeding is no advantage round a vicious circle"
Marty Rubin

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 10:30 AM

""If you put the "rich" in ostrich, I'll put in the "ost.""
― Jarod Kintz, 

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 11 Oct 15 - 10:19 AM

As to the attribution and counter-attribution and counter-counter-attribution of the "that's the kind" quote, it just goes to show that that thought, however phrased, has long become part of the culture
through the folk process.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 08:40 PM

""Careful, Mr. Spiro, guns are dangerous. Especially the end with the hole.""
― Eoin Colfer, The Eternity Code

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:18 PM

"Strike a light or light a lantern! Something I have hold of has no head."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:37 PM

Damn: reasonable, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:35 PM

Oops, sent prematurely: What seems reasinable to one, may just seem odd to another.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 03:31 PM

I fear you have now completely lost me."


That clearly makes two of us. What seems reasinablevto on, may just seem idx to another. A good reason to part courses on this one, versus engage in pointless BS argument/counter arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 02:30 PM

"the replacement of one inaccurate source by another"
.,,.
But it was you doing that, wasn't it? -- with your suggestion of Artemus Ward rather than Lincoln.

I fear you have now completely lost me.

However it is time to go and watch Wales play Bosnia-Herzegovina on Sky Sports.

So adieu.

☺〠☺~M~☺〠☺

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 02:04 PM

It seems quite odd, IMO, that you claim I have "a problem", MGM-Lion? I claim no such affliction related to this quote.

Yes, it is indeed helpful (to some) to correctly identify a error in a quote source. However, replacing it with another potential source error seems, IMO, to add little value. Not recognizing such a plight is puzzling to me? However, I recognize it may not be so from your perspective?

If you have new information on the quote source, it would be worthy to share. If not, I see little purpose in continuing in a pointless direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 10:18 AM

"It lighted every peak, crevasse and ridge of the nearby mountain range with a clarity and beauty that cannot be described but must be seen to be imagined. It was that beauty the great poets dream about but describe most poorly and inadequately."

--Brigadier General Thomas F. Farrell, eulogising over the Trinity atom bomb test at Alamogordo, a few weeks before the citizens of two Japanese cities were annihilated by similar explosions.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 09:58 AM

Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. --Calvin Coolidge

The multiplication of the feeble-minded is a very terrible danger to the race. --Winston Churchill

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 09:40 AM

Can't quite apprehend the non-point you seem to be making, Ed T. What is 'achieved' is a provisional terminus a quo. I have named a couple of earlier sources than those cited, but have nowhere claimed to have 'established' anything. So what's your problem, precisely?

The gravamen is surely that the attribution of a quote above, 9 Oct 0838pm, is demonstrably not the original source. Do you think it should have been allowed to stand because the absolute ur-original source cannot be conclusively demonstrated? If that is your point, I think little of your standards. If it isn't, then what the hell is, pray?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 08:26 AM

Birth control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks— those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.

Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood Founder

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:32 AM

Of course-but does the replacement of one inaccurate source by another, or questionable one achieve much?

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 07:28 AM

That may indeed be an original source to be preferred to the Lincoln one, which ODQ attributes as

Judgement on a book. G.W.E. Russell, Collections and Recollections ch30.

But whether Lincoln quoted Artemus Ward's supposed referee or vice versa (Lincoln & Ward overlapped as contemporaries), or whether both drew on yet another, unidentified, earlier source, my point was that the formulation far antedated both Muriel Spark and W F Buckley jnr.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 04:46 AM

My understanding is there is some doubt put forward as to whether Abe Lincoln was the original source of the quote, (attributed here to W.F. Buckley jr.), a quote which has been modified through time, and reused by others. The basis of some doubt us that the quote is clearly not of Lincolns style. Another source of such doubt is Ralph Keyes' book, The Quote Verifier that provides an earlier source:

""In late 1863 a spoofy newspaper advertisement for [Artemus] Ward included this testimonial: "I have never heard any of your lectures, but from what I can learn I should say that for people who like the kind of lectures you deliver, they are just the kind of lectures such people like""

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 04:02 AM

William F Buckley Junr, few posts back ('...people who like that sort of thing...') was, to put it politely, requoting (or, less politely, plagiarisising) Abe Lincoln, who appears from Oxford Dict of Quotations to have originated this formulation -- subsequently reused [usually, as here, without acknowledgment] by the likes of Buckley, Muriel Spark as a "Miss Jean Brodie-ism", &c &c.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: mrdux
Date: 10 Oct 15 - 12:48 AM

"The sense of well-being continued. Black desolation underlay it, as he knew perfectly well; but the two could exist in the same being."

                        – Patrick O'Brian, The Hundred Days (1998)

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 09:27 PM

The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion. --Arnold H. Glasgow

For NASA, space is still a high priority. --Dan Quayle

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...' --Isaac Asimov

One cannot conceive anything so strange and so implausible that it has not already been said by one philosopher or another. –-René Descartes

I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure it is not in order to enjoy ourselves. –-Ludwig Wittgenstein

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 08:31 PM

"For people who like that sort of thing, that's the sort of thing they like."
William F. Buckley Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Gutcher
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 01:30 PM

"Let me finish my answer Jeremy then you can patronise me"      

Alex. Salmonds, very effective, put down of Jeremy Paxman

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 11:37 AM

Re: quotation at 11:08 on Oct 7

That comment (and more) was directed at Dr. Ben Carson, by Professor Anthea Butler of UPenn. Apparently she doesn't like that Republican candidate Carson (a black man for those of you who don't follow USA politics) does not toe the Black victimhood trope.

Whether the guest who posted that racist crap is actually Butler is not known.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 10:24 AM

Unk ODO:
An obscure quote from GW Bush. Odd it was not easily recognized.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 10:19 AM

Guest of 1:08 A.M., who was it who said that?

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 03:26 AM

"Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresa, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein." 
― H. Jackson Brown Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 03:19 AM

"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost" 
― H. Jackson Brown Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 02:50 AM

"The false assumption is that almost all people, almost all of the time, make choices that are in their best interest or at the very least are better than the choices that would be made by someone else." 
― Richard H. Thaler, Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 01:08 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 11:09 PM

Dorothy Parker also said, "One martini, I'm under the weather. Two and I'm under the table. Three and I'm under the host."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: kendall
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 08:51 PM

Humor is the opiate of the melancholy. (Mine)
The older I get, the better I was. (Art Thieme)
If I was any better, I'd be twins. (Mine)

When challenged to use the word "Horticulture" in a sentence, Dorothy Parker said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but, you can't make her think."

Subject: RE: BS: Obscure quotations
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 08:26 PM

When Italy declared war on Britain in WW2, Churchill remarked "It's only fair. We had to put up with them last time."