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Pete St. John Song List

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DANNY FARRELL
JOHNNY MCGORY
RINGSEND ROSE
ROSIE UP ON MOORE STREET
THE FERRYMAN
THE RARE OULD TIMES
THE YEAR OF THE FRENCH


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The Mero (explanation wanted) (59)
Lyr Req: When Margaret Was Eleven (Pete St. John) (12)
Pete St. John - pronunciation? (8)
Lyr Req: The Mero (Pete St. John) (40)
Lyr Add: Inchicore Wake (Pete St. John) (28)
Lyr Req: Darin' Sailin' Man (Pete St. John) (5)
Lyr Add: Gunner McGee (Pete St. John) (9)
Ringsend Rose - 'street Arab's grin' ?? (4)
Lyr Req: Rosie Up in Moore Street (Pete St. John) (20)
Lyr Req: McClory (Pete St. John) (8)
Lyr Req: Danny Farrell (Pete St. John) (19)
Chords: The Rare Ould Times (Pete St. John) (42)
Lyr Add: The Ferryman (Pete St. John) (30)
Meaning of words in Danny Farrell (54)
(origins) Origins: The Rare Ould Times (Pete St. John) (48)
Lyr Req: Tramworkers/Jim Larkin (Pete St John) (8)
Lyr Req: Madigan's Lock (Pete St. John) (9)
Lyr Req: Farewell My Derry Love (Pete St. John) (2)
Help: Pete St. John BOOKS: Where? (3)
Lyr Req: I Remember Dublin? / The Rare Ould Times (19)
Lyr/Chords Add: Ringsend Rose (Pete St. John) (12)
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Lyr Req: 'sweep down to the Liffey' / The Ferryman (6) (closed)


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Subject: Pete St. John songs
From: Mary
Date: 03 Dec 99 - 04:48 AM

someone mentioned the Fields of Athenry...wasn't that written by Pete St. John? And wasn't Dublin in the Raire old Times...and what else...Limerick Lady..he has written some great songs but I have never seen a CD out or heard anything about him actually...although I heard he lives in Washington D.C....does anyone have any information or other songs he has written.?

mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Dec 99 - 11:55 PM

Hi mary

I have watched this thread go un answered and I'm surprised. I like St John's stuff a lot and its hard to find out much bout him. I know he wrote a ton of Dublin songs and then he started doing other stuff.

Donegal Danny is one his I think. So is The Galway Rover which i can't find lyrics to. I think Rings End Rose is too. I wonder if he played with The Dublin City Ramblers for awhile.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: Mary
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 01:44 AM

Well if he wrote Donegal Danny he leaps up to near the very top of my favorites list...I just love that song... wish he had cd's out I knew about...

mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 08:07 AM

I am trying to find my Pete St. John songbook. It is around here somewhere. That is not his real name, but it escapes me just now. He worked with Danny Doyle for a bit. I don't think he was with the Ramblers, but I will ask the lads when next I see them. They will be back in my neck of the woods in the next few months. .........back to finding that book, then I will try to answer the questions.

Big Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 09:15 AM

I have just had a look at one of my Dubliners LPs. They credit Donegal Danny to Coulter/Martin. I have managed to find a couple of other of the songs mentioned in Folksongs and Ballads popular in Ireland (volume 4 - I've lost the other ones). They do credit Pete St John with Rare old Times but if I'm reading thier notes correctly, it appears that Limerick Your'e a Lady was written by Dennis Allen - they mention he had a hit with it and don't say that it was written by anyone else.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 09:06 PM

I found some more credited to him: Tunes of Glory (argaret and Me); Danny Farrell; and Johnny McGory. All great songs! - Susanne


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From:
Date: 05 Dec 99 - 08:56 PM

The Rare Ould Times, Brendan Behan, Danny Farrell, The Fields of Athenry, The Ferryman, Rosie Up in Moore Street, McClory, When Margaret Was Eleven, Limerick City, The Frenchman.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Pete St. John songs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Dec 99 - 09:39 PM

One thing about fields of Athenry turned up in a thread on the Mudcat - Pete St John's words are only slightly rewritten from a song extant in 1888. The minor shifts in words, whoever made them, are probably an improvement I'd say, but I'd definitely call it a new variant rather than a new song.

Though it's possible that the tune might be original to him.

Either way it's a good song, and I don't suppose whoever wrote it back before 1888 will mind (I think it was a fella called Devlin)


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Subject: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 06:56 PM

Pete St. John's songs often turn up on the 'Cat. Click Here for a listing on his own website.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 12:14 AM

Will do. I absolutely love his songs. mg


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: MartinRyan
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:10 PM

Picked up this old thread while looking for something else. Here's the thread (click) that pinned down the origin of "Athenry."

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: MARINER
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 05:56 PM

"Limerick you're a Lady" was certainly written by Denis Allen. I think that Pete St. John has a C.D out, at least he was on Irish Radio plugging something a few weeks back. Was "Limerick" the first song written about that place, now unfortunately stuck, unfairly many say, with the name "Stab City"


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:46 PM

I wonder why I think of Pete St. John and Phil Coulter as interchangable people when clearly they are seoarate individuals. I wasn't even 50 yet when I answered this post way back when. Not nearly as embarassing a s crediting I'm So Lonesome I could Cry with Ira gershwin. but its close.

Don "Who sticks his foot in it now and then" Meixner


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Oct 01 - 09:55 PM

This thread might be a good place for us to list all the Pete St. John songs we have posted in the Forum and in the Digital Tradition. I think we have a number of St. John songs that don't have proper attribution.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: GUEST,Navillus
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 02:16 AM

Try http://www.petestjohn.com/works/complete-song-list/
This gives a list of all the songs that Pete has written.


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: Sarah2
Date: 10 Oct 01 - 04:03 PM

Big Mick,

When you find that rascal, please post the ISBN and other pertinent info...?

I wish, I wish I could find his "Michael Collins" somewhere.

Sarah


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: GUEST,Candie
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 11:29 AM

According to ASCAP ACE search, the songs you've listed were written by Peter Henry Mooney. That may help in finding sheet music. May not. Galway Rover shows as having been recorded by Cherish The Ladies, Dan Doyle and D. Doyle. I love this song and would really like to find piano/keyboard music for it!

Candie


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 11:55 AM

Here's the Pete St John website - well it's actually a page on it with his World Cup song, where you get get a nice sound file of it in Japanese.

And in case any read this thread without clicking through, that story about the Fields of Athenry being printed first in 1888 seems pretty clearly to have been a hoax, so disregard my earlier post.


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: GUEST,gerkey
Date: 13 Jun 02 - 07:49 PM

If you go to www.irishradio.net ,select 'Echoes of Ireland', then Archive ,Programe dated 06/06/02,you can hear Pete St. John sing a tribute song to the recently deceased, Kerryman,and Great Author, John B. Keane (R.I.P.]


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jun 02 - 02:39 AM

Somebody posted a link to Pete's Website above, with mention of a discography. I think it would be worthwhile to post the discography in this thread.
-Joe Offer-

    Complete Song List

    All songs published by Saint Music
    unless denoted otherwise.

    1. Rare Oul Times *
    2. The Ferryman
    3. Rosie Up in Moore Street
    4. Train Workers
    5. Danny Farrell
    6. The Furey Man
    7. Johnie McGory
    8. Luke Kelly's Land
    9. The Woman are Right
    10 .Viva Il Papa
    11. Song for Mayo
    12. Drops of Brandy
    13. Liselton
    14. Gouganebara
    15. Darin' Sailin' Man
    16. McClory
    17. Farewell My Derry Love
    18. Sweet John Carey
    19 Love is a Game
    20 Soldier Boys Awa!
    21 The Nun Run
    22 Ringsend Rose
    23 Black Gold
    24 March to Peace
    25 Waltzing on Borrowed Time
    26 Limerick Lady
    27 Galway Rover
    28 Brendan Behan
    29 Bobby Sands
    30 The Frenchman
    31 The Mero
    32 Anne Devlin
    33 When Margaret was Eleven
    34 Claire from Ballindine
    35 Gunner McGee
    36 Three Quarter Time/ 3/4 Time
    37 Clock of Freedom
    38 Ca bfuil na Paisti
    39 Ringsend Boatman
    40 Sand Castle Sam

    41 Ram Dee Da
    42 Moonshine
    43 Home in Garryowen
    44 The Shamrock & the Rose
    45 Dreamers & Believers
    46 Michael Collins
    47 Childrens Band
    48 Belfast Town
    49 Barney Brown
    50 5O Miles/Fifty Miles
    51 Sunday Bloody Sunday
    52 Don't Forget your Irish
    53 Ballybunion Batchelor
    54 The Fields of Athenry **
    55 Song for Omagh
    56 Mother Redcaps
    57 Gleneagle in Killarney
    58 Old Dublin Town
    59 The Gna Song
    60 The La
    61 Paddy Hero
    62 "Bon Voyage" Jeanie Johnston
    63 Offaly Rose
    64 Rise & Follow Charlie
    65 The Lampost Song
    66 Strawberry Beds
    67 Kerry Victory Song
    68 Shamrocks Twilight Crew
    69 The Wizard of Listowel
    70 March to Dublin
    71 Tara March
    72 Tara Theme
    73 Glorious Black Brew
    74 Ramblin' Paddies
    75 Spirit of the Gael
    79 May Day In Dublin

    * published by Emma/Celtic Music
    ** published by Celtic Music

     

    Country Songs

    1. You Touch a Part of Me
    2. If I Ever
    3. The Grand Affair
    4. This Love Will Make us Free
    5. Billie Joe & His Cat
    6.
    Brandy Shannon
    7. Rodeo Queen
    8.
    Living Country Music
    9. Take the Greyhound
    10. Midnight Movie Show
    11. May Processions & Things
    12. M.O Woman
    13. Pillowful of Allibies
    14. Prisoner of Love
    15. The Shadow Song
    16. Alone in Kansas City
    17. The Gandy Man
    18. World of Strangers
    19. Remould Star
    20. Women Don't Make Me Nervous

    © Copyright 2002 Pete St. John. All rights reserved.    


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:42 PM

Pete St. John at Mudcat:

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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: OldPossum
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 12:16 AM

The Frenchman: Is that not the same as THE YEAR OF THE FRENCH in the DT?


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 01:44 AM

You're right, Old Possum. The Digital Tradition version of "Frenchmen" is quite different from what's in my songbook. I'll have to post the songbook version. I also came across Johnny McGory in the Digital Tradition. I wonder why it didn't come up when I searched for Pete St. John.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 03:18 AM

The version of Johnny McGorey in the DT needs some serious cleaning up and, probably, some explanatory notes. If you post it from the book, Joe, I can have a go at the latter.

Can't say I've ever heard it sung, despite the Dubliners reference.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 09:33 PM

Don't have Johnny McGorey, Martin You're on your own with that one. I can't even find a single Pete St. John recording here in the US.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John
From: GUEST,Sue
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 05:41 PM

Like the first thread I read, I too am looking for a biographical information on Pete St John: date of birth/death - is he still alive? I'd love to hear what his voice sounded like. If that's not his real name, what is it?


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: bfdk
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 05:50 PM

Try his home page?


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 06:32 PM

Under "works," the Pete St. John Home Page has a number of songs with lyrics and recordings, but the names of the singers aren't identified. The voice on "Athenry" is female, so I'm sure THAT singer isn't Pete. Are any of his recordings available? I sure can't find them at US sources.
Or is he one of those songwriters whose songs are better sung by others?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 06:37 PM

Re;
Johnny McGorey: this is the version in the DT as of now:

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JOHNNY MCGORY
(Pete St. John)

cho: Hey, Johnny McGory, tell me, where's your glory gone?
I saw you up in the monto with your old leg gone
A (darky flen those) bullets, sure it left you half a man
Hey, Johnny McGory, where's your old leg gone?

Up to (Sally) gardens, around the back of the pipes
Messing with the liberty bells a man could loose his stripes
Tradin' on your troubles and grabbin' every chance
To show ('er) and the old ones all the things you learned in France

Up to (Glaster) diamonds, red pity on your mind
Not a tosser in your pocket, not a soul you could remind
The Lord knows you're a darlin', you never did give in
Your neck's as hard as concrete and your laugh's a mortal sin

Monday in the (Ivy), Tuesday in the drags
Wednesday's wharf and wounded, Thursday sold your bags
Friday's here (those on) the touch and Saturday's lost again
How at Sunday's got a (tensions), sure you start the week again
-------------------------------------------

Time to sort it out....


Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 06:42 PM

Here's another version found online:

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Johnny McGory Lyrics

Hey, Johnny McGory, tell me, where's your glory gone
I saw you up in the monto with your old leg gone
A dirty Flanders bullets, sure it left you half a man
Hey, Johnny McGory, where's your old leg gone

Up to Sally gardens, around the back of the pipes
Messing with the liberty bells a man could loose his stripes
Tradin' on your troubles and grabbin' every chance
To show the randy old ones all the things you learned in France

Up to Gloucester diamonds, red Biddy on your mind
Not a tosser in your pocket, not a soul you could remind
The Lord knows you're a darlin', you never did give in
Your neck's as hard as concrete and your laugh's a mortal sin

Monday in the Iveagh, Tuesday in the drags
Wednesday's walking and wounded, Thursday soldier your bags
Friday's heroes on the touch and Saturday's lost again
But the Sunday's good intentions, sure you start the week again


--------------------
Found HERE


I'll compare and contrast when I have time...

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 04:30 AM

Last verse should read

Monday in the ivy, Tuesday in the dregs,
Wednesdays walking wounded, Thursday soldier begs,
Friday heroes on the touch and Saturday's lost again,
With Sundays good intentions sure we'll start the week again.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:05 AM

Dave

I haven't had a chance to pick through it yet but I'm sure the "Iveagh" reference is to the Iveagh Hostel in Dublin. Reckon you're right on "dregs". The sense of the third line is really "On Friday, (our) hero is on the touch" (i.e. begging/scrounging).

As usual with Pete St. John, the references are densely local.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 05:57 AM

Gloucester Diamond is a streetname in Dublin - mentioned in several songs.

"The Back of the Pipes" is a local name for an area near the Guinness Brewery - where the canal harbour was, IIRC.

"Sally Gardens" is nagging at me - I OUGHT to know where it is!

Red Biddy is cheap, adulterated alcohol.

"Libert belles" refers to women from the Liberties area of inner city Dublin.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Jan 10 - 06:12 AM

Getting back to GUESTSue's question - "Pete St. John" is the pseudonym of the Peter Mooney mentioned earlier in the thread. He is still alive - to the best of my knowledge!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:37 AM

For Guest Sue from Guest Maureen,
I met Peter Mooney at his parents house at Christmas time 1953. He was going to sail just after that to Canada. He is by way of being a cousin, his grandmother and my gt.grandmother were sisters.   I didn't realise that he had changed his name till another cousin told me. The family were/are very musical. One of his ancesters blew the charge of the Light Brigade.   He must be in his mid to late seventies as I am.


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:41 AM

BTW, some nice person on Mudcat sent me both the words, and an MP3 of a Pete St John song, and I never did thank him. I lost it all in a computer crash, and can't remember who it was.
If it was you, thank you for all the trouble you took.

John


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 01:56 PM

What are the most frequently asked Questions about your work?

Wednesday, January 1st, 2003

1. What year did you write the Fields of Athenry?
2. Where in Ireland is Athenry ?
3. Isn’t the song a traditional song and re- written by you?
4. What is the Mero?

Answers!

1. I wrote the Fields of Athenry in the middle 1970’s and it was finally recorded and released in 1979 by Danny Doyle and became a top 10 hit and the rest is history !

2. The Athenry in question is Athenry in Galway and if you do happen to get the chance to visit, you will notice the ‘Low lying fields’ as you approach this beautiful town.

Do visit the Cultural centre and say Pete sent you !

3. No, the song is not a traditional song even though it is written in that traditional style it is a modern composition by myself, both lyrics and music.

4. The Mero was an old cinema at Mary street in downtown Dublin in the 1940’s - 1950’s. The characters like Jonny 40 coats and Bang Bang were street people of that era, a more gentle and simple time. And while we queued up in the street for the cheap afternoon seats (called Woodeners), we would jokingly jeer and taunt ‘The Characters’ who happened to pass by. Many of the people in the song are now gone and forgotten but not by me ! They were a vital part of my childhood in the ‘Rare Oul Times in Dublin’ !! The song is a little social diary of the times but even today the memories of ‘The Mero’ days are still with me big time. Thanks to everyone who was interested enough to ask about the song.

Dia ghuit !
Pete


from Pete St. John's Website, http://www.petestjohn.com/2003/01/


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 10 - 06:42 AM

Hi,
Pete Mooney (St. John) is my cousin and I too remember going to one of the great Christmas do's at his father's house in Lavarna Grove, Terenure. His father, our Uncle Tommy, was a manager at Fords of Ireland, I think. He drove a new Ford Corsair when I met him in 1963. I was well impressed as a 15 year old lad!
After his travels around North America, Pete has been back in Dublin for a good few years now.
Sadly his wife, Sue Mooney, died last week.
   A previous poster here, Maureen, said she is related. Well, I guess she must be related to me too!
Drop me an email if you read this.... desbrittain@hotmail.com.


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Subject: RE: Pete St. John Song List
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 11 - 02:29 PM

where could I get the lyrics of Limerick City reputed to be written by Brendan Behan


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