BS: hard working families

Subject: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 04:20 PM

does anyone strive to be more like the chinese or poor, exploited americans? is our capacity for slacking and taking the piss what makes us uniquely british? does anyone else envy the french and their law making working more than 35 hours illegal? is anyone else sickened by all that talk of 'hard working families?' really, who gives a fuck about work?

is it any more than earning beer tokens?

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 04:46 PM

Try posting when you're sobered up...

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 05:30 PM

why?

i loved frankie boyle's comment in a recent guardian column. in respect of some osborne thing about 'fixing the roof when the sun is shining' he said (summat like) when the sun is shining most proper brits are in the nearest beer garden drinking 10 pints of cider.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 05:33 PM

Why call it a beer garden if people are drinking cider?

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 05:57 PM

Why do they call it a beer garden when you don't grow beer there?

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 06:18 PM

There's a long tradition of those with inherited weath and breeding looking down on 'trade'.

But I expect they still regard themselves as hard working.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 07:15 PM

Real life is HARD, we live in a fairy land of worthlessness, we EXPECT someone else to fix everything......if society is to be sustained through socialism, everyone will be obliged to contribute, personal "rights" will take second place and life will be harder for a huge section of society which has been pandered to for political reasons.....and to give the impression that this stinking mess is real life.
I remember real life. My family worked to live, and work did not stop when your pay stopped, every spare minute was used up providing for the family , growing food, rearing livestock...chickens ducks geese, people actually repaired things, vehicles household goods, patched clothing, waste was a mortal sin, like laziness or sloth.

It was hard, but every last one of the family felt that they had contributed......How many today believe that they are contributing to anything worthwhile?

Gi'mme, Gi'mme, Gi'mme

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 07:27 PM

i know i contribute to something worthwhile - looking after disabled folk - but work is still a bit shit, innit?

there are some pedants above - you are missing the point, my friends.

i'm fairly sure that everyone knows what i mean

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 08:45 PM

I worked for 25 years as a government investigator, forced to do a lot of work that I thought was really stupid. Then I retired in 1999, at the age of 51. Now, at age 67, I work just as hard as I did when employed, and mostly without pay. But I'm doing things that I think are worth my time, and that makes all the difference.

If we could match people to work they love, what a difference that would make in our world!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 07:37 AM

"Real life is HARD, we live in a fairy land of worthlessness, we EXPECT someone else to fix everything......if society is to be sustained through socialism, everyone will be obliged to contribute, personal "rights" will take second place and life will be harder for a huge section of society which has been pandered to for political reasons.....and to give the impression that this stinking mess is real life.
I remember real life. My family worked to live, and work did not stop when your pay stopped, every spare minute was used up providing for the family , growing food, rearing livestock...chickens ducks geese, people actually repaired things, vehicles household goods, patched clothing, waste was a mortal sin, like laziness or sloth.

It was hard, but every last one of the family felt that they had contributed......How many today believe that they are contributing to anything worthwhile?"


Aye, but we 'ad it TOUGH....

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 07:42 AM

Tough? Tough? There were 17 of us in a shoebox...

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 07:48 AM

I've never understood this "work ethic" business. If I could have, when younger, found food and shelter with a minimum of effort I would have done so.

Unfortunately I had to graft, hated every minute of it.

Later in life I actually found a job I loved doing, so it didn't seem like work to me, I enjoyed the daily challenges.

Now retired (early) my time is my own I can either busy myself or sit and scratch my arse all day if I choose to, AND the important bit is, it's MY choice. Few people get that choice.

Most work to makes end meet, struggle to pay the bills whilst lining the pockets of other people.

You wonder why people don't take up this "fantastic" opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 10:33 AM

When I was about 14,(1953) they showed us films (16 MM) in science class about how technology would reduce the 40 hour work week to 30 or so, and we'd all be able to live in a little automated house and spend 4 days a week playing in the park...etc.
   The list of the issues they forgot to factor in would take that extra 10 hours to type............

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 05:14 AM

If you average out the hours worked (for pay) among the population that is fit to work it has probably come true. Before retirement I was still putting in 40 while my taxes paid benefits to the ones the company had been laying off.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 11:37 AM

My Work Ethic is quite clear - if the work is engaging, or socially valuable then I can, and do work more than the hours I'm paid to work if necessary. But I feel I owe nothing to exploitive employers who hold the view that my purpose on earth is to work in order to line their own pockets while treating workers as something on the bottom of their shoe.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 11:43 AM

Bill D, the problem with the idea of a technology-based utopia is that all though technology can reduce the need for labour, those who enjoy and benefit from this most are unable to let go of the idea that the working man should still be provdiing the same amount of labour to be entitled to maintain their existing share.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 11:49 AM

the trouble with hard work is you can never really work hard enough to please everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 03:12 AM

A shoebox? Luxury!

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: mauvepink
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 07:57 AM

4 Yorkshiremen Sketch

Could have been anywhere 'oop norf' but this classic still gets re-enacted in pubs all over the place even today as men try to out-do each other in the poverty stakes at the bar ;)


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For sure things are far easier for a great many now than they ever were but those hard times are returning as a pace, sadly :(

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 12:31 PM

"sadly"....I don't know, we have been living well above our means for the last thirty years. Our financial expectations far too high, our lifestyle wasteful, personal rights more important than constructing a sustainable society.

We blew it ...big time, we embraced consumerism like ducks to water embraced credit though it used to be a shameful condition, allowed our children to rule their parents, dumned down education to allow access to university/ college for kids without academic ability, then provided useless degrees for them to pass.

Reality is bout to kick in and we will not like it, having to take responsibility for ourselves once again.

Who caused this lowering of standards in society? Ideological idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 01:35 PM

"Dumned down". I see.

Subject: RE: BS: hard working families
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 05:20 PM

My what a witty response Richard.   
I am completely floored.