BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 10:10 AM

"Islamic terrorism" in its current context is motivated by a wish to impose a particular form of Islam on others.

Just as Christian terrorism is motivated by a wish to impose a particular form of Christianity on others, to whit:


Ted Cruz Lauds Anti-Abortion Extremist Eight Days Before Planned Parenthood Shooting

Presidential candidate and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who on Sunday suggested the shooter in a bloody Friday rampage on a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, was a "transgender leftist activist," maintains ties to violent factions of the anti-abortion movement.

Right Wing Watch reports that just eight days before Robert L. Dear, 57, was arrested for killing three people and wounding nine others at the facility on Friday, Cruz bragged about an endorsement he received from the head of Christian pro-life organization Operation Rescue, Troy Newman.

In a statement on the senator's campaign website, Cruz said, "I am grateful to receive the endorsement of Troy Newman. He has served as a voice for the unborn for over 25 years, and works tirelessly every day for the pro-life cause. We need leaders like Troy Newman in this country who will stand up for those who do not have a voice."

But Newman has a history of openly endorsing violence against doctors and medical staff involved in providing abortion services. In his book, Their Blood Cries Out, Newman wrote that the United States government's responsibility to "properly deal with the blood-guilty ... rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people."

After President Bill Clinton signed a law in 1994 banning protesters from physically preventing women from entering medical facilities that provide abortion, Newman responded by saying, "With the upsurge of legislation against peaceful and nonviolent free speech, some people, unfortunately, are being driven to different means."

In the wake of the shooting, many noted violence and threats against Planned Parenthood had increased sharply after prominent Republicans, including Cruz, again raised baseless allegations that the nonprofit was involved in illegal trafficking of fetal organs. Democratic presidential candidate and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders explicitly connected the attack to right-wing rhetoric on abortion in a statement on Twitter.

http://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-lauds-anti-abortion-210755532.html

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 10:15 AM

Here's a commentary from AlterNet on the issue of incitement:

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-extreme-christian-right-incited-assault-planned-parenthood-clinic-colorado?akid=13724.154686.OxvGw1&rd=1&src=newsletter1046576&t=4

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 11:14 AM

It's as much extremist religion based terrorism as the Muslem variety. It just comes down with some people telling other people how they should live and trying to enforce that with fear.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 12:59 PM

Following up on Richard's "Rubbish, Howard Jones" comment- This is indeed considered terrorism, and is often referenced as "single-issue terrorism". there have been at least 11 anti-abortion murders, the most visible have been the one resulting from Centennial Park Olympics bombing which also injured 111.

Obviously, before this incident, our UK friends had no awareness of the of the history--which, perhaps accounts for their slowness to accept that this crime was rooted in the religious-based anti-abortion movement.

From Wikipedia:

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded, 100 butyric acid attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers...property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid.The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 01:01 PM

That last was me.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 01:19 PM

We do know what goes on in foreign lands you know. We have a real news service called BBC that isn't funded by interest corporations.

We know all about the anti abortion crime. The sick puppies try to export it to civilised countries such as ours via the theocracy known as Northern Ireland.

Clean up and catch up with civilisation before comparing advanced countries with your interesting to visit in places but generally fucked up federation.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 03:19 PM

A civilized country? How novel.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 04:37 PM

Guest of 12.59 seems to have trouble understanding. Of course the things he cites are Xtian terrorism - but Da'esh seeks to impose conduct, and something that is not Islam. Get it now?

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 05:07 PM

And the "Asshole Of The Month" award goes to:

DENVER (AP) — A Republican state lawmaker from Denver blamed Planned Parenthood for a deadly shootout last week at a clinic in Colorado Springs.

Rep. JoAnn Windholz wrote in a Facebook posting Monday that Planned Parenthood is "the real culprit" for violence.

"Violence is never the answer, but we must start pointing out who is the real culprit," Windholz wrote.
She called Planned Parenthood the "true instigator of this violence" because it provides abortions.

And the "Egregious Asshole of the Month" award goes to Ted Cruz:

Conservatives have been bristling for several days with the possibility that Robert Lewis Dear, the alleged Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooter, may be transgender because his voter registration identified him as female. Even Ted Cruz floated the idea at a campaign stop on Sunday. On Monday, the El Paso County Clerk and Recorder's Office confirmed there had been a clerical error.

Ryan Parsell, El Paso County's chief deputy clerk and recorder, told the Colorado Springs Gazette that his office was responsible for the mistake, calling it a data entry error. When he received a driver's license with the same error, Dear went to a different Department of Motor Vehicles office to request a corrected license, which he received.

Dear also apparently attempted to fix his voter registration form, which required submitting a "Change in Voter Registration Information" form to the Park County Clerk and Recorder's Office. His registration was not adjusted, however, because the dot in the "male" box — "a small dark spot" — was so faint that a deputy clerk concluded it was not an intentional mark:

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 05:42 PM

Da'esh seeks to impose conduct, and something that is not Islam.

There is not one Islam. Of the more than one billion followers of the religion there is a broad spectrum of belief and practice. This ranges from the radicals for whom the words of the Quran, Hadith and legal texts are to be taken literally to the liberals or moderates who take a more rationalistic approach to the writings. They accept the texts were relevant at a particular point in past history, but Islamic societies have moved on and so they are no longer relevant today. There is also a relatively recent but growing group who believe that traditional Islam is out of step with the modern world and is in need of reform. They refer to themselves as reformist and/or secular Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 06:05 PM

This thread is full of nonsense, the perpetrator was a solitary madman with a gun......his crime can in no way be compared to the atrocities of Fundamentalist Islam, which have been carefully planned and funded...9/11, 7/7 and numerous other attacks all over the world involved complicated organisation, by a jihadist faction, funding and training, often overseas.

The latest shooting was simply the symptoms of a deranged mind, it could have been any issue.......stop clutching at straws.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:01 PM

Hey,Pharoah: have you put your hat in the ring with the rest of the Republican fantasists an lunatics for the U.S. Presidential nomination?

You sure as shit sound like those assholes.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 07:08 PM

Not at all Greg, I have no brief for Republican politics or any who use these tragedies for political gain.

But the Jihad i's are a terrorist organisation, this guy was simply a nut.....you're not doing yourself much good pressing the point here.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 08:24 PM

Akenhateon, you once again display your Islamophobia. The point is whether this particular gunman was a terrorist, not a Jihadi.

Hundreds of Islamic scholars have co-signed a letter to IS setting out why (is I may put it this way) Da'esh is haram.

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Dec 15 - 09:58 PM

you're not doing yourself much good pressing the point here.

Right back at ya, Pharoah - you're once again displaying your ignorance of what goes on and is going on in the U.S. We're talking about people angling for political gain who in the process enable and/or cause tragedies, not the other way 'round.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 03:41 AM

OK fair point Greg, you know more about the politics of you own country than I do, but from a distance the whole thing looks so polarised that any attempt to change things politically is almost impossible......you seem to have social/religious issues and political/economic issues packed into the same box.

Don't your fellow countrymen understand that many people of faith can have socialist or "left wing" views, and many hardened right wingers especially politicos have faith in nothing but their own enrichment.

Faith should not be an issue in politics, but that mindset cannot be imposed, it must be learned.

Subject: RE: BS:Planned Parenthood Shooter-Christian Terrorist?
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Dec 15 - 06:17 AM

So, has the assailant been linked to some Christian terrorist organisation ?    Richard accuses Ake of islamophobia when his christophobia is far more evident. Even Dawkins has said that he has some misgivings about the removal of Christianity , as it may be a bulwark against something far worse.    I could probably find the exact quote if required...