BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:14 PM

John's problem, like all climate change deniers, like evolution deniers, like moon-landing deniers and like Holocaust deniers, is that he can't, or won't, avail himself of the facts required to come to any sensible judgement. Any fact that even threatens to militate against their predigested view must be dismissed and ridiculed. It is impossible to discuss anything sensibly with these antediluvian charlatans. The only people who deny anthropogenic climate change are big oil companies, the more wacky branches of the Republican party and a small handful of disreputable scientists who have been bought off. We find exactly the same attitude with people of religious faith who give up on facts and resort to what they "hold sacred". The founder of the Guardian all those years ago, CP Scott, had it exactly right when he said that opinion is free, but FACTS are sacred. Beliefs can't be sacred. Only lunatics think that.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 06:43 PM

Its OK, Shimrod - John apparently has the same conceit as the several Repulican presidential candidates: that repeating bullshit makes it true.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 06:38 PM

So, John otSC, would you mind telling us what qualifications you've got in climate science, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:33 PM

Climate change is real and cyclical, and has been for as long back as scientific knowledge can take us. Warmer, cooler, warmer, cooler and will be so until our sun burns out (not in my lifetime, I hope). Waddya know, it ISN'T rocket science.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 05:16 PM

The US is in denial about it;

As apparently is Sunset John.

Not ALL of the folks in the U.S. are Deniers - you'll find most of such in the Republican Party, "The Party Of Stupid".

Hey, what the f**k to 99.5% of climate scientists know, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,McGillicuddy
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 04:24 PM

It doesn't matter if it's natural or manmade. It could be a bit of both. Either way, sea levels are rising, the permafrost is thawing, and Miami is talking about building levees to keep their basements dry. The US is in denial about it; Europe seems to understand because of their recent weather. People in places like Bangladesh and the Marshall Island are really screwed. So why keep pumping crap into the air that makes it happen faster?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: pdq
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 04:19 PM

"Biggest source of energy on the surface of this planet is Solar" ~ OP


So, please tell us what energy source comes in second place?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 04:11 PM

Climate change is real and cyclical, and has been for as long back as scientific knowledge can take us. Warmer, cooler, warmer, cooler and will be so until our sun burns out (not in my lifetime, I hope). Waddya know, it ISN'T rocket science.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 03:36 PM

Reinhard,

Didn't that mean fuel cells rather than living cells?

GfS - what tosh, there is no money grab, just attempts to understand effects, causes, and possible remedial action.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 03:25 PM

Based on the posts...maybe 'climate change', commonly known as 'global warming', is 'rocket science'....or is it just the proponents, who just see another money grab, have to make it such.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Reinhard
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:57 AM

"Cells are made from several types of silicon"

Cells may perhaps contain several types of silicon, but lifeforms on Earth are carbon-based, not silicon-based, with the possible exception of some trolls posting here.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:43 AM

'Some Stars are Totally Metal: A New Mechanism Driving Dust Across Star-Forming Clouds, and Consequences for Planets, Stars, and Galaxies'

Precis of paper at

http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.5509

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 09:16 AM

To an astrophysicist Silicon is a metal, but then so are Carbon and Oxygen, and anything that isn't Hydrogen or Helium. Although Aluminium may be the most abundant metal (in a chemical rather than astrophysical sense) in the Earth's crust, in the Solar System as a whole it is Iron. This is because Iron has the highest binding energy per nucleon, and thus is the natural end point of nuclear reactions. The iron in the earth is concentrated in the core.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:45 AM

"What the heck is that supposed to mean?"

I think insolation is the term used to measure radiation from the sun that hits Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 09:35 PM

Fortunately no-one suggested wind and hydro, both driven by insolation

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 08:17 PM

A serious question deserves a serious answer.

Cells are made from several types of silicon, such as polycrystalline, as well as from other things. Germanium arsenide seems to be the current champion in energy conversion (light to electricity), but gallium, various lead mixtures, and other things are also very much in the running. One rather interesting experiment occurred at MIT a few years ago, using a material with 65% transparency and a 2% energy conversion, but before you decide that your car windows could be used to power your car you should know that this was in the lab and it's a long way from being commercially feasible!

This is a hot area for research, especially in infrared conversion (no, I'm NOT sorry!) with ultraviolet also very much in the running.

I've been following it and let me tell ya, it ain't easy when your background is in the liberal arts! But then you do learn things when you venture into other areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Westernesse
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 07:04 PM

Mr. Red, no pretense intended. Perhaps aluminium is the dot connector?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 05:37 PM

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

- Frank Zappa

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Kampervan
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 05:33 PM

10 Most Abundant Elements in the Earth's Crust

Source: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 77th Edition
Element        Abundance
percent by weight        Abundance
parts per million by weight
Oxygen        46.1%        461,000
Silicon        28.2%        282,000
Aluminum        8.23%        82,300
Iron        5.63%        56,300
Calcium        4.15%        41,500
Sodium        2.36%        23,600
Magnesium        2.33%        23,300
Potassium        2.09%        20,900
Titanium        0.565%        5,650
Hydrogen        0.14%        1,400

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:59 PM

Having been a potter and an electronic engineer - I can assure you Silicon is more abundant (as Silica/quartz) than Aluminium (as Alumina or Bauxite). Both of which I used in making glazes for porcelain &/or stoneware.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 04:52 PM

All we need are a bunch of extension cords from parts of the world where the sun is up and where it is not cloudy
that is certainly being condsidered, and given that a lot of hot countries (just south of a power hungry free trade area), are going to get hotter and probably drier, and crops that grow there are going to struggle as it gets hotter, not a bad scenario.

Fortunately no-one suggested wind and hydro, both driven by insolation.

Perhaps I should have said "metal", surface (another "s") already covers the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Westernesse
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 03:25 PM

most abundant metal

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 12:50 PM

Steve Shaw.

When you've generated your electricity you can get at it by plugging things into the wall. Socket Science.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 12:45 PM

I have friends whose stairs say Thtairs and whose sink says Think.

Also, overheard recently, it ain't rocket surgery. Made me wonder, since we do have brain science...

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Stu
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 12:28 PM

Thilly thods.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 12:13 PM

Suddenly swallows swiftly skimming,
sunset's slowly spreading shade,
silvery songsters sweetly singing
summer's soothing serenade.

Susan Simpson strolled sedately,
stifling sobs, suppressing sighs.
Seeing Stephen Slocum, stately
she stopped , showing some surprise.

' Say, ' said Stephen, ' sweetest sigher;
Say, shall Stephen spouseless stay? '
Susan, seeming somewhat shyer,
showed submissiveness straightaway.

Summer's season slowly stretches,
Susan Simpson Slocum she—
So she signed some simple sketches—
Soul sought soul successfully.

Six Septembers Susan swelters;
Six sharp seasons snow supplies;
Susan's satin sofa shelters
Six small Slocums side by side.

Found on the 'net. Attribution to Anon.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 11:48 AM

Two other words which begin with 'S' are 'silly' and 'stupid'. Just saying - which, coincidentally, also begins with 'S'! Can anyone else think of some words beginning with 'S'? It ain't rocket science really!

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 11:46 AM

All we need are a bunch of extension cords from parts of the world where the sun is up and where it is not cloudy. I hope there is an abundance of copper and plastic to make the cords.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 11:41 AM

What, they both begin with S you mean?

Silicon isn't the most abundant element on the surface of the planet, the most abundant elements are Hydrogen (by number) and Oxygen (by mass) as these two elements make up the water molecule. Silicon isn't the most abundant element even on land, seeing as most of it is in the form of silicates (SiO4) and the 4 indicates that for each Silicon atom in a silicate there are 4 Oxygen ones.

Subject: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Dec 15 - 11:30 AM

Biggest source of energy on the surface of this planet is  Solar  
Most abundant element, ditto, is  Silicon  

Connecting the dots ain't rocket science really.
Just saying.