BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation

Subject: BS: I need opinions
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 04:00 PM

We want to have new linoleum in the kitchen, 11 feet by 12 feet. Lowe's wants $1400.00. Does that sound high? the linoleum I picked out is 80 cents per sq. foot.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 04:33 PM

That sounds crazy high to me. Around $100 for material and 1300 for labour is nuts. I would look around for an individual tradesman and get an estimate from him.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Janie
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 05:46 PM

I've read that using Lowe's or Home Depot contractors for installation of most home improvement projects is often significantly more expensive than going with an individual tradesman.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 05:49 PM

Get Jacqui to lay it!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 06:51 PM

Are you taking up the old flooring (I would assume so)? Is there something tricky about it? The labor to take it up, the fees to dump it before installation. Is there something else involved in the process? Is the old linoleum so old it has asbestos in it or something?

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 07:03 PM

Ask your wonderful neighbours about a local handy person! That sounds absurd.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 08:55 PM

Do you want the new flooring coved up the wall or will you be having a mop guard put in? Is the underlayment okay? Are there any tricky cuts?

I'd suggest getting another estimate from a full-time flooring store.


"Hey, up there! Bill! Whatcha doin'?"

"Layin' linoleum!"

"She got a sister?"

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions
From: Louie Roy
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 09:07 PM

Does the person have to move furniture out of room and put it back Remove old carpet get rid of old carpet etc etc
Standard wage per hour $85.00 x 8 hours=$680.00
Removing old carpet from floor and getting rid of it $85.00 x 8 HRS $680.00 = $1380.00 so maybe $1300.00 isn't a bad figure
Anyway that is what it cost us for Electricians Mechanic etc $ 85.00 t0 $100.00 an hour

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 03:46 AM

Take a step back. Screw up your eyes a bit. Is there really anything wrong with the old linoleum?

If it still looks bad, think - !!!$1400.00!!! -   Is the old stuff staring to look better?

DC

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 04:41 AM

If it's peel and stick linoleum and it's going over an existing floor any competent handyman could put it down in a few hours providing the room's not too cut up. If he/she has got to trowel it in it takes a little longer.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: banjoman
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:18 AM

Suggest if you are able do it yourself. Its really easy. Just need a tape measure a sharp knife and a decent straight edge.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 06:24 AM

When you were thirty you could have been quoted 425 dollars for the job and that too would have seemed like a lot of money.

A Mc Donalds meal would have been almost 80 cents. Now $6 dollars gets you a Big Mac meal.

If you're comfortable with an older gentleman handyman and have the linoleum already you might save half.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 09:53 AM

Seeing as how Kendall came over as First Mate on the "Speedwell" (Martin Pring, master) he probably isn't able to do it himself. And his left hand is a hook, courtesy of his years as captain of the "Jolly Roger" and an incident with a crocodile. He does, however, have Jacqui and she has all or most of her various parts. At least she doesn't have a ticking croc following her.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Gutcher
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 10:50 AM

Laying linoleum

You need a flair for it!!    (Floor in Scots is flair)

Real linoleum is made from natural products--hessian, linseed oil etc.
The town of Kirkcaldy was noted for this and as a poem put it "ye'll ken it by the smell"--referring to the smell as you approached the town. The product also having a distinctive smell.

3rd. verse of a childrens song I have been known to sing:----

"There's a fine bit new linoleum
ye'll ken it by the smell
if ye aa come up and see us
ye can walk on it yersel

ch. ye can come and see oor garret
    for it's aa furnished noo
    ye can come and see oor garret
    o it's aa furnished noo.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: olddude
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:31 PM

It is surprisingly tricky to get it right. The price is high Imo and you probably can get a local builder to do it far less. If it is a high quality single roll it is difficult because it streaches. If it is squares, not so hard. Depends on the type

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 12:57 PM

My own kitchen floor is going to need an update soon, Kendall, so I've done a little research.

Consumer Reports has this to say about linoleum:

" Linoleum tends to fend off discoloration from sunlight, but resistance to wear, scratches and dents has varied widely in our tests from product to product. Linoleum can also be relatively expensive."

If your linoleum is one of those not resistant to wear, you could be spending a lot to install a product which will not stay nice.

I've also learned that linoleum is not waterproof and needs to be sealed with acrylic every year. I have my doubts about installing it in a kitchen. But perhaps you and Jacquie don't cook much....

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 01:35 PM

I've laid some of the stuff, both privately and professionally.
Laying flooring is a young mans game, leading to knackered knees.

What a title for a song!

If you have skirting boards/coving, it makes some sense to remove it before laying the vinyl. That way, you can repair/replace/predrill/repaint/refit the skirting ON TOP OF the new vinyl, and the vinyl-laying requires nothing like the accuracy. And there is the rub. The job requires a high level of skill and accuracy not to leave a gap at the edges, particularly with an irregularly-shaped floor.

Have you considered cork-tiles? Much easier, although slower to lay.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: kendall
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 07:40 PM

JUST AS I THOUGHT. THAT PRICE IS HIGHER THAN A HAWKS NEST.
THE WORST PART OF IT IS MOVING THE FRIDGE AND STOVE OUT OF THE ROOM.
I LAID THE FLOORING THAT IS THERE NOW, ONE FOOT VINYL SQUARES PEEL AND STICK. PIECE OF CAKE, NOW, UP JUMPED THE DEVIL. OUR NEW FRIDGE LEAKED AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IT BECAUSE THE WATER WENT UNDER THE SUB FLOOR AND RUINED THE PLYWOOD.NOW, THERE ARE HUMPS, HOLLOWS AND RIDGES.

THE FLOOR MAN SAYS THERE IS A MATERIAL THAT THEY CAN LAY WHICH WILL PREVENT THEM FROM SHOWING THROUGH THE NEW LINOLEUM.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 07:47 PM

Q. What do you get if you throw a grenade into a Frenchman's kitchen?

A. Linoleum blownapart!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Janie
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 08:27 PM

So, is the price quote simply for the cost of the materials and laying the new cover on the existing floor, or does the subflooring and plywood need replaced?

And are you actually shouting, or have you been practicing Sinsull's keyboard skills?

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 22 Dec 15 - 08:58 PM

Linoleum...in the winter are difficult to work with...too stiff without a heater or hair-blow-drier.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

For the cost of the quote you posted Ceramic Tiles should be considered.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 23 Dec 15 - 08:33 PM

We solved the problem of wavyfloors - sometimes feels as though we are at sea! - by putting down mahogany underlay with two or more coats of varathane. It is screwed down and the screws show but could be coloured. It is quite handsome, cheap and easy to install. I am careful not to spill much water and to wipe it up quickly lest it go in the cracks. a wavy floor is not suitable for ceramic tiles. Our house is very downscale! But it looks nice and is comfortable. I have wonderful friends with creative suggestions on how to do things well but less expensive. Wish I could send them to you!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 Dec 15 - 11:09 PM

Kendall, is it linoleum your having fitted or Vinyl (PVC)? In UK usage terms, I'd think "lino" very rare although the likes of me will still refer to vinyl flooring as "lino".

Out of curiosity, I tried a UK flooring site for kitchen vinyl flooring and your dimensions. In rough figures,

I picked one at £10 per square metre.

Vinyl costs = £130, Fitting costs £50, Delivery costs = £30

Of course that doesn't include any other work that needs doing. When our kitchen was done it had a plywood under floor done for example. As well as the material costs, that part took longer than the laying of the vinyl. I don't know what the total bill was or how it broke down but I'd suggest the total cost of the bit you don't see was more than that of the top surface.

As a side comment, I've been amazed how quickly professional fitters of carpets and vinyl can get the job done. In the past, my mother and I have tried and turned what they can do in under an hour into an all day job complete with the rows when things aren't going right. And I remember one job we had them in for where we lived before that I reckoned would need a join but they made it look like child's play to do it in one piece!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 05:22 AM

What's all this new-fangled "lino" malarkey? Where I come from, it's oilcloth!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 07:06 AM

I was just thinking that, Steve! Wonder if it is just a North West thing or is lino oilcloth elsewhere?

Just noticed that Steve! Wonder is almost Stevie Wonder. And you play harmonica :-)

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 08:32 AM

When you think about it, and I'm guessing here, "Lin - oleum" actually means "cloth - oil" as in linen, innit...

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 09:02 AM

Maybe it is regional. I've just asked my parents (b 1930s one Shropshire and one Norfolk) and they feel pretty sure they always knew it as lino.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: kendall
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 04:54 PM

I DON'T INTEND TO SHOUT, MY GD KEYBOARD HAS A STUCK CAPS LOCK

THE PRICE...NO NEED TO TEAR UP THE FLOOR, THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY LAY TO HIDE THE HUMPS AND HOLLOWS, THEN THEY LAY THE LINOLEUM.SOME OF THE RIDGES IN THE OLD VINYL SQUARES CAN BE FELT IF I WALK ACROSS IT IN BEAR FEET, SO, I MIGHT TAKE A BELT SANDER TO IT.

NO I WON'T DO IT WITHOUT A MASK. THE SANDER HAS A COLLECTOR BAG LIKE A VACUUM CLEANER.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 11:07 AM

Linseed oil from flax (linen)

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 12:25 PM

All depends. How long do you hope this lino will last? Can you work out the price over, say, 10 years?

How long would it take you to do the job, and what would you be paid in your present line of work for this number of hours, plus the price of the lino itself? (One Irish site is quoting around €75 per square metre for the lino itself - this is proper linoleum, not plastic.)

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 01:19 PM

When we had the bathroom in our 102-year-old bungalow refloored, the remodeler said the best thing to use "...is high-end vinyl. These houses move." So we bought the second-most-expensive Congoleum, and six years later, it looks brand new.

Some people are touting old-fashioned linoleum as a 'greener' choice, but linoleum:

is not really waterproof
needs acrylic sealing (per professional flooring site)
costs more
may be easily dented and damaged.
possibly does not cope well with a house that flexes in the wind.

I'm tired of people who talk about the 'greenness' of products and hide the disadvantages from the customer.
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Example: consumer reports rated washing machines environmentally by figuring how little soap and water they used. didn't mention which ones wrinkled your clothes to heck, causing the customer extra work and electricity.

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Dec 15 - 01:54 PM

Kendall, you feed me and I'll fly from the UK and TILE your floor for that price !!

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: Hrothgar
Date: 26 Dec 15 - 05:38 AM

How long have you had the bear feet, Kendall?

Alternatively, how often do you borrow them?

Subject: RE: BS: I need opinions-linoleum installation
From: kendall
Date: 26 Dec 15 - 07:10 PM

The war dept. will be home on Monday. I shall ask Mrs. O'Hara. (gone with the wind)