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Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016)
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Subject: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Wesley S Date: 13 Feb 16 - 05:30 PM (CNN)U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has died at the age of 79, a government source and family friend told CNN on Saturday. Scalia died in his sleep during a visit to Texas. The first Italian-American to sit on the nation's highest court, Scalia was a conservative in thought, but not in personality. The jaunty jurist was able to light up, or ignite, a room with his often brash demeanor and wicked sense of humor, grounded always in a profound respect for American law and its constitutional traditions. "What can I say," was a favorite phrase of the man colleagues knew as "Nino." As it turned out, quite a lot. "Justice Scalia had an irrepressibly pugnacious personality," said Edward Lazarus, a former Supreme Clerk law clerk who wrote about the experience in "Closed Chambers." "And even in his early years of the Court, that came out at oral argument when he was the most aggressive questioner. And behind the scenes, where the memos he would write-- what were called 'Ninograms'-- inside the court had a real galvanizing effect on the debate among the justices." A sharp mind combined with a sharp pen allowed Scalia to make his point, both to the pleasure and disappointment of his colleagues and the public. "He could be belligerent, he was obviously very candid about he felt about things," said Joan Biskupic, a USA Today reporter who wrote a biography of Scalia. "He loved to call it as he saw it, completely not politically correct. In fact, he prided himself on not being PC on the bench in court." His New York and Mediterranean roots -- "I'm an Italian from Queens" he was fond of saying-- helped fashion a love of words and debate, combining street smarts with a well-calculated conservative view of the law and its limits on society. "He was very good with audiences that weren't predisposed to like him," said Paul Clement, a former Scalia law clerk. "He was incredibly disarming and charming in his own way." Former CNN Supreme Court Correspondent Bill Mears researched and wrote much of this obituary prior to Justice Scalia's death. CNN's Steve Almasy and Kevin Bohn contributed to this report. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Wesley S Date: 13 Feb 16 - 05:34 PM And the battle begins when Obama tries to replace him. You want to see an uproar? Just wait until the President tries to nominate his successor and get it approved through congress. Get the popcorn!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Feb 16 - 05:40 PM This should be classic....both sides trying to pay off somebody, who is supposed to be a judge!...and the payoffs all come from the same crooks! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Bill D Date: 13 Feb 16 - 06:25 PM Sure is not a 'convenient' time this.... for either party. The news cycle will be chaos for months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: gnu Date: 13 Feb 16 - 06:38 PM It bodes badly to speak ill of the dead. Good fuckin riddance you nasty piece of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 16 - 06:49 PM "Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached." -Antonin Scalia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Bill D Date: 13 Feb 16 - 07:03 PM https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Antonin_Scalia lots to consider there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Feb 16 - 07:13 PM You left out this one: "In the eyes of government, we are just one race here. It is American."-Anthony Scalia GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 16 - 08:07 PM How Supremes are appointed. Obama will be able to name someone, but the Senate will no doubt drag their feet and hope to have a GOP in office next year for a different outcome. Scalia was as obnoxious on the Supreme Court as Strom Thurmond was in the US Senate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Greg F. Date: 13 Feb 16 - 08:18 PM Now, on to Clarence Thomas, another nasty piece of shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Padre Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:03 PM May his soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercies of God, Rest in Peace. Rest eternal grant unto him, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon him. Amen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Mrrzy Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:22 PM Hmmm, and political life gets even more interesting. Nonetheless, my condolences to his family. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: gnu Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:40 PM Certainly... condolences are appropriate. Nonetheless, he was a scourge on justice. Clarence Thomas was just mentioned. He doesn't even rate as high as a "nasty piece of shit". How this garbage get's on the bench of the highest court of the USA is bewildering. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Anthony Scalia 2016 From: Rapparee Date: 13 Feb 16 - 10:21 PM Like Thomas, Scalia was appointed by Ronnie Reagan. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Feb 16 - 10:34 PM It was interesting to hear on NPR that Scalia was a close friend of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a notorious liberal on the Supreme Court. NPR reporter Nina Totenberg gave an interesting assessment of Scalia that showed both negative and positive sides of Scalia: So, now President Obama has an opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court Justice. The Republican Senate may be reluctant to confirm an Obama appointee. But on the other side, Obama may appoint a moderate likely to win Senate approval; and next election may give us a Democratic President and Senate who would be likely to appoint somebody far more liberal. So, it will be interesting to see what happens. May Justice Scalia rest in peace. It's clear that he represented his perspective well. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Feb 16 - 11:06 PM Despite their political differences, I've heard on numerous occasions that the justices generally get along well. I remember how broken up Sandra Day O'Connor was when Rehnquist died, despite their judicial disputes. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: EBarnacle Date: 14 Feb 16 - 01:21 AM He represented his perspective well but I question the ethical purity of a justice who will not recuse himself from cases in which he has personal involvement. He also had a habit of showing up where no unbiased person should have been. His absence will probably turn many critical cases, such as Friedrichs, into 4 -- 4 decisions. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 14 Feb 16 - 08:45 AM let light perpetual shine upon him It sure as hell didn't shine upon him while he was alive. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 16 - 09:28 AM I dissent that the fight for appointment begins with Obama's choice... It began with Mc Connel when he claimed Obama can not select a replacement in an election year in an unprecedented mere 6 hours after discovering Scalia's body. (before he was cold) Perhaps Obama's term as a black President is only 3/5s a long in Mc Connell's mind, but President does have the responsibility and duty to appoint a justice, Scalia is known for being the longest serving Justice and an originalist interpreter of the Constitution which is much the same as how a fundamentalist interprets the bible. His most famous cases all involved guns. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 16 - 11:11 AM Voting Rights hangs in the balance. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST,# Date: 14 Feb 16 - 12:10 PM I think Jane Kelly is certainly in the running. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Feb 16 - 02:57 PM My parents taught me to only say good things about the dead... Does "good riddance" count? |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: EBarnacle Date: 14 Feb 16 - 03:07 PM Stare decisus here we come. What will Clarence Thomas do without his leader? Will he finally develop a voice of his own . . . or just carry on? |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Wesley S Date: 14 Feb 16 - 03:16 PM If you want to see a republican's head explode - just tell them that Michelle Obama has been nominated to replace Scalia. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST Date: 14 Feb 16 - 03:58 PM There is a petition afoot to nominate Anita Hill: Sign Here |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Feb 16 - 06:20 PM I wonder what a strict originalist like Scalia would think of a majority of the Senate deciding to effectively insert "except during presidential election year" into one of the key provisions of Article II, Section 2 of The United States Constitution? |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 14 Feb 16 - 09:19 PM Its not the Repulsicans' fault - they just can't help themselves being complete assholes. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Feb 16 - 10:49 PM It would be cruel to Anita Hill to have to spend the rest of her professional career working with Thomas (until he departs in some form or fashion). I conjecture that she wouldn't do it. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Ebbie Date: 14 Feb 16 - 11:50 PM Given the age and health of several others of the Justices there is the potential for another death on the Court in the near future. What then? Surely, the Wrong, not Right, wing of the Court would not condone leaving that large a gulf in the body. This is an interesting time to be alive... |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Feb 16 - 11:55 PM Obama could make a recess appointment. The congress is out until Feb. 22. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 16 - 12:51 AM Good idea! Imagine the hullabaloo! But it could be done. However, wuld that mean that the President would have to reappoint him every year. I believe that is what is required in other appointments. What do you think of Sri Srinivasan? I like what I have read of him. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Feb 16 - 07:33 PM No, there are quite a few over the years. Rehnquist was a recess appointment. But making the appointment now would probably blow up many GOP heads and give them momentum to complain and get their voters out, so I doubt Obama would do it. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST,Obnig Hrobdog Date: 15 Feb 16 - 07:35 PM Good riddance to the fucker. The Uncle Tom next, I hope. OBAMA WOULD MAKE A VERY GOOD SUPREME COURT JUDGE. Sorry about the capslock. Not too sure about that smart chap from the District Appeal court - Sri something. I do not get a good feel from his biogs. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Feb 16 - 07:37 PM Srinivasan sounds like he's a brilliant jurist. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: CupOfTea Date: 15 Feb 16 - 07:52 PM Lord help us all. I cringe to think that political hand waving would cause the choice to be held up till after the election, and have been having nightmares about Trump successfully "getting out the vote" by registering the legions of never- been-bothered- to- vote yahoos who would enjoy having a mean spirited egomaniacal whackaddle in the White House. This is one very scary political time. Joanne in Cleveland (who doesnt buy her governor's "Jimmy Stewart" act) |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Bill D Date: 15 Feb 16 - 08:29 PM The Republicans have maneuvered the rules to allow calls for Senate sessions every 3 days, whether anyone actually attends or not. This complex of rules was approved by SCOTUS itself using the Republican controlled court. "...President Obama may ponder the possibility of putting on the Court a new Justice of his choosing, to serve temporarily. The problem, though, is that less than two years ago, the Supreme Court severely narrowed the flexibility of such temporary appointment power, and strengthened the Senate's capacity to frustrate such a presidential maneuver." from here: http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/is-a-recess-appointment-to-the-court-an-option/ The goal is simple... to rig the Senate rules, the electoral college, the public voting rights, the Gerrymandering routines so that they have total control over the important parts of how the country functions... much like actual dictatorships... with only pro forma 'rights' for the general public. When they can win elections, even when they lose the majority, the situation becomes..... interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 15 Feb 16 - 08:57 PM Gotta love them Repulsicans dontcha - always prating on about The Constitution.... |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 16 - 09:12 PM I am able to separate the man from the mean streak that inhabited his old timey ideas of prejudice. To grow up Italian in America during the thirties is a hateful place for a young boy can put a chip on ones shoulder for life. He basked in the glory of honoring his culture in the form of singing Italian opera with two other Tenors at the Washington Opera Ball. He said it was the highlight of his life. I could have been friends with him just as I could enjoy the company of many of the flagrant gun nuts here. Until you separate people from issues you will not know true empathy. It is not a requirement but it is a human achievement better than straight hate. Like yourself everyone gets damaged in some way. Sometimes in helpful ways and sometimes not. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 15 Feb 16 - 11:29 PM Wonderful post Donuel, I am glad you have expressed it so thoughtfully. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 16 - 08:00 AM To grow up Italian in America during the thirties is a hateful place for a young boy can put a chip on ones shoulder for life. So that justifies the evil shit he was responsible for? |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 16 - 11:39 AM "So that justifies the evil shit he was responsible for?" The point, I take it, was to help explain how a good guy can get locked into some bad ideas. Almost everyone who knew Scalia says he was a good guy to know, even when they shook their heads at his positions. The problem with his judicial philosophy was that it was VERY consistent internally. He had a clear and reasonable answer for everything he did....once you understood that he had 2-3 basic premises that, by themselves were NOT clear and obvious. This made him particularly dangerous... but not 'evil'. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Feb 16 - 11:50 AM Just when I was so appalled at the depravity of a few on this thread, Which debases both Mudcat, and many of those who embrace some sort of political nonsense over compassion and human life, Donuel posted his last post. Bravo, Donuel!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 16 - 01:59 PM I have not come to praise Anton I have come to bury him. I do not offer justice for the Justice. I have known Italian friends who have tried so hard to assimilate that they thought taking on common hatreds would advance their status more than common likes. Bad choices can make bad ass holes but that is beside the point of sentience and high office. To understand what made the cat mean is more important than defiling a defiler. We need calmer cats, nature supplies enough variety for survival of the species as it is. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 16 - 03:11 PM Almost everyone who knew Scalia says he was a good guy to know The same was said by many about Hitler, and he liked and was kind to dogs, as well. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 16 - 04:17 PM Rational thoughts seldom shin in the dark side. Countless times in court Scalia would make. a remark that would cause the audience to audibly gasp and groan. If you looked closely, Scalia would grin so slightly as if he were responding to a tickle that did not work. greg; dogs & Hitler really. Think about it. Dogs died along with their caretakers. Watch how dogs responded to Hitler on film. You need to see souls via body language and eyes. Then you would know better. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 16 - 04:19 PM That was NOT said seriously by very many about Hitler.... and there is no rational comparison to someone like Scalia. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Greg F. Date: 16 Feb 16 - 04:53 PM Point is, Bill, that just because someone sez he's "a nice guy" don't make it so. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Feb 16 - 05:14 PM It was a great shame for the USA that he lived fifty years longer than the society he tried to impose on others. Who are the next most likely to drop off their perches? |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: GUEST Date: 16 Feb 16 - 05:18 PM The fact that Justice Ginsburg considered him one of her best buddies shows that some people have the generosity of spirit that enables them to separate a person's humanity from their ideology, a quality sorely lacking in some of Mudcat's posters. |
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Subject: RE: Obit Justice Antonin Scalia (1936-2016) From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 16 - 06:25 PM "Sometimes if you live long enough the bastards will die right in front of you" A. Schlemiel. Who knew Rancho Finito east of the Diablo Mts in west Texas would be famous? |
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