BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?

Subject: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 16 - 12:54 PM

O3 is so unstable that it breaks down instantly into, apparently, oxygen in a way that just destroys viruses and bacteria... can it be targeted to the bad ones is apparently, yes.

See here for the NIH review of the idea and here for a general search on it, and also you can listen here to a podcast about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 May 16 - 12:56 PM

Oops "a href="https://www.bulletproofexec.com/dr-robert-rowen-treating-ebola-ozone-therapy-168>"here to a podcast about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Noreen
Date: 17 May 16 - 01:20 PM

Here's your link, Mrr:


Dr. Robert Rowen: Treating Ebola & Ozone Therapy

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 May 16 - 01:51 PM

It's a crank idea that gets dredged up by hucksters any time there's a new epidemic of anything.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 May 16 - 11:20 AM

It's *not* a crank idea according to the NIH link, above. I'm not talking about cancer, mind you.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 May 16 - 10:04 PM

Even so, the damage ozone can do to tissues makes it something to approach with caution. I'm not saying NO! but saying that it needs more study and will probably need to have very well trained people administering it. I could find no articles on its usefulness regarding viral infections (which only means I couldn't find any).

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 May 16 - 07:22 AM

The first cited link is not an "NIH review". It's a flaky paper in a flaky journal with flaky references, most of them from the distant past and never replicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 16 - 09:48 AM

It's a paper in an NIH journal cited multiple times, sorry you don't agree with it.

Meanwhile, if O3 can destroy viruses, is it the pharmaceutical industry who calls its researchers flakes?

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 May 16 - 10:03 AM

It is archived by NIH but not published by them; they have nothing to do with assuring the quality of the articles in it.

Journal of Natural Science, Biology and Medicine (J Nat Sc Biol Med) http://www.jnsbm.org [ISSN: Print -0976-9668, Online - 2229-7707] – An official publication of Phcog.Net –considers the following types of original contribution for peer review and publication: Research articles, Review articles, Letters to editor, Brief communications, Case reports, Book reviews, Technological reports, and Opinion articles. It is published Semiannual and serves the need of scientific and non-scientific personals involved/interested in Natural Science (Physics, Chemistry, Electronics, Mathematics, Astronomy, Oceanography, Engineering), Social Science, Economics, Biology and Medicine. Each issue covers topics, which are of broad readership interest to personals from general public, industry, clinicians, academia, and government. J Nat Sc Biol Med. is a must read Journal for every one with curiosity in science.

There are Indian call centres with better standards of literacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 16 - 11:49 AM

Any chance of our agreeing that the plural of virus is viruses?

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:11 PM

Mrrzy, my wife has a key role in the progress of this research.

Its abundant generation was made possible by my hero Nikola Tesla.

Today we use potentially hazardous ultra violet light more for killing environmental virus than internal medicine. Gas is fine by me.

Hydrogen peroxide (one less O and H) has many therapeutic uses also.
Never at full strength but at 2% dilution.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:39 PM

Do you mean one less O and an added H?

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:39 PM

Dammit, one less O and TWO added Hs?

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:45 PM

peroxide has an H on each end and 2 O's in the middle.

Ozone has one H and 3 O's.

Compared to Cyanide I haven't a clue.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:48 PM

Ozone hasn't got any Hs, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:50 PM

Speaking of Ebola did you know the virus can hide in the testacies teeth and other places for six months or more?

Ozone is hard on our lung lining. Delivery is obviously the key to therapy.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 12:53 PM

If John from Kansas were here he could have answered this threads title

"Live and Learn, die and forget it all"
My mom.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 16 - 02:43 PM

I've always tried to hide from Mrs Steve the fact that my testicles have teeth...

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 04:00 PM

Off the top of my head, ozone in our atmosphere can take on H or even Fluorine and release them in the presence of sunlight.

Now I gotta ask the goo.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 19 May 16 - 04:56 PM

I, very briefly, had a doctor who had an ozonator in his reception area the second time I visited. I said this was not good and was told it was very healthy. I was sick within minutes and waited for my appointment outside in the rain, having told the receptionist where I was going. A considerable time later, I went back in; I had waited quite long enough. "Oh!", exclaimed the receptionist, "We didn't know where you were!" The "nurse" did not know why I was there - with my chart in her hand. I blew a gasket, demanded the return of a study I had lent the doctor in hopes it would help. They refused but mailed it to me later. Next I heard, he was in jail for sexually assaulting female patients. Could all have been caused by the ozone????

However, I would not discount the fact that, used with appropriate care, it could be useful. Other poisons are.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 May 16 - 06:54 PM

Ozone is deadly for a lot of people with asthma or COPD. It's a common urban pollutant (produced from car fumes). Interesting study here:

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060023092

(i.e. yet another way America has been deliberately turned into a death camp for black people, with, as usual, the Koch brothers as its chief gauleiters).

EPA says reducing ozone pollution to between 65 and 70 ppb would prevent between 750 and 4,300 premature deaths, between 1,400 and 4,300 asthma-related emergency room visits, and between 320,000 and 960,000 asthma attacks in children yearly by 2025.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 16 - 08:21 PM

Here is how it works in a nutshell.

Corporations, especially drug companies will sell anything for a buck.
Thanks to regulations drug companies have to submit their product and test trial findings. The only time NIH will do human or other animal trials is when private companies formally refuse to do so. An example of a trial only the government can do is an Ebola vaccine.

There are times when a drug undergoes government testing and trials when a prior agreement exists guaranteeing the Government shares a percentage of future sales.

When the NIH develops a medicine it is made available via a licensing agreement.

Drug companies try to get government grant money but there are loyal government employees who separate the wheat from the chaff and the fraudulent via research and economic scrutiny.

The FDA has no unfailing respect for the NIH and visa versa.
The CDC however has the rapt attention of the NIH and the FDA.

And I view certain Pharmaceutical giants as greedy motherfuckers that do things that Goldman Sachs employees only wish they could do.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 16 - 09:01 AM

Doesn't Ozone make you more likely to be irritable &/or agressive? Alert certainly. As in bracing sea air.

In the UK we have the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence - there's NICE.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 16 - 09:50 AM

There's likely to be less ozone in sea air as the seaside air is likely to be less polluted. The bracing seaside smell is far more likely to be the sulphurous emanations from rotting seaweed. Ozone is a powerful oxidising agent and a serious pollutant at ground level. It is much more useful when it's a few miles up in the atmosphere.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 16 - 10:33 AM

I understand it's done with sub-cu injections...

But viruses (viri is a funny) are everywhere, hard to target in the body, and I would think that anything that can destroy viri and bacteria can also destroy cells, so how does it not kill the host?

Donuel, thanks for the details, and I adore Tesla also.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: leeneia
Date: 20 May 16 - 11:28 AM

Injections sound really dangerous, Mrrzy. Ozone is a gas. You can kill a person by injecting a syringe full of air into a blood vessel, so why wouldn't a syringe full of ozone kill someone?

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 May 16 - 11:53 AM

Ozone is reasonably soluble in water. You could inject a solution of it, theoretically. It is a powerful oxidising agent and rapidly damages tissues. I suppose you could kill all the viruses in your body by injecting cyanide. Yep, that would do the trick all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 May 16 - 01:01 PM

Despite what Mrzzy says, the NIH is not backing this fringe therapy. The paper he/she referred to is by Velio Bocci, an Italian who has been pushing this idea for decades, published in a fifth-rate Indian journal, presumably because no reputable one would take it.

A page about ozone from an organization which is really part of the NIH:

http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/ozone/

This is rather entertaining in a warped sort of way:

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/08/ozone-therapy-homeopath-and-savage.html

Related scams:

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/oxyscams.html

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?doe
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 16 - 03:37 PM

The other rare and important thing the NIH can do that the private sector does not do is pure research. Grants for such work is almost the exclusive domain of government.

The NIH does not get the acclaim that it should. It was not the march of dimes or Jerrys kids who created the therapy for muscular dystrophy, it was the NIH.

Crap, there goes another shooting near the White House. There goes the commute...

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 16 - 08:58 PM

Leenia, sub-cu injections, not IV, which would indeed kill you. Air embolisms are bad, m'kay?

I didn't say NIH backed it, only that it was a reputable source for the article.

The NIH article 2 posts above is about it being a pollutant, which is not what I was asking about, of course it shouldn't be breathed or injected into veins. It doesn't address its antiviral properties.

Ozone is a highly unstable molecule which breaks down easily into oxygen gas plus whatever (from that which broke it down) mixes with the third oxygen molecule, and who knows what that can form.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 May 16 - 11:05 PM

In addition to subcutaneous injection, I've found that ozone therapy can/has been administered by:

*rectal insufflation (blowing it up and into the rectum)
*vaginal insufflation (ditto for the vagina)
*withdrawing 6 to 12 oz. of blood, putting it into an ozone-containing container, shaking it to mix the ozone and the blood, and replacing the blood in the patient.

I'm no physician but it seems to me that each of these methods has definite risks.

Oh, yes -- ozone has been used "topically" on skin infections. This seems to me that, used with care, it might be safe.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 May 16 - 03:48 PM

It's quite commonly used in dentistry, our dentist always uses it when rebuilding teeth and for root canal treatment.

Subject: RE: BS: Why aren't we using ozone against viri?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 May 16 - 02:21 PM

Blowing it in your ear is all that's missing!

Still, nice to know it isn't a pharmaconspiracy, it's just not a good solution.