BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 03:39 AM

Don't be ridiculous akenaton. Unhealthy? Are you ever going to make an effort to overcome this misguided viewpoint? Our dear gay friends have been together for years, they're getting married soon. They're just two comfy middle-aged men who love eachother. They had other boyfriends when younger, before they met, as would anyone of any sexuality. Their health has never been 'endangered by their lifestyle'. You really are daft mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 05:27 AM

Well Joe, maybe those who oppose from a religious perspective are "bigoted", but the people I know in our local church certainly are not. They see "homosexual rights" mainly as an attack on family and the family structure which underpins all religions.

Regarding health, the figures are there for all to read provided by official health agencies.
The MSM figures for HIV and syphilis, are now over 80% of all new infections.
In all the years that we have been arguing these issues, no one has even attempted to explain why this is the case in one single demographic......it must surely be intrinsic to the sexual behaviour of homosexuals, whether it be the lifestyle, with its high levels of promiscuity or the sexual methods used.

Marriage in many cases has been completely redefined, and is now regarded as a group activity.

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 05:43 AM

On the other subject, of course there is such a thing as "Radical Islam"....We have all seen it at work, putting people in cages and filming them being burned alive, subjugating women and young girls, beheading people of other faiths and murdering homosexuals.
Of course the mass of Muslims do not support them, but given the freedom to gain a degree of power and wealth, their ideology will be enforced.
Islamic Fundamentalism is a huge danger to the world and Mr Obama should have recognised that in his speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 06:17 AM

Akenaton I would remind you to read Matthew 7:21-23 and remember on that day your worth will be measured with the same stick you used to measure others. I would also advise you to study John 1:1-3.

If all things were made by God , then all people were made by God. If you then decry someone you are then decrying the very God you profess to follow.

with apologies to those who do not believe in religion

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 06:41 AM

Thank you Megan, but I am not a "religious" person though I do admire many of my Christian friends. They are without exception "good" people who do good things for our community.
I simply do not have the strength to fully believe in a personalised God. It takes great strength to set aside verifiable things and rely on faith.

My opposition to the legislation is purely on health and societal grounds.

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 06:57 AM

Go stand outside Black street on a Monday morning the biggest danger to sexual health is hetrosexual males who seem to think buying a lassie a drink gives them automatic right to have sex with her whether she wants it or not.

Stop being so hypocritical by choosing to pick only one group if your motive truly was sexual health.

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: saulgoldie
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 07:06 AM

"...phobia" is defined as an extreme, irrational fear of (whatever). If homosexuality can be described as somehow unhealthy and such a claim supported by some fact-checked actual *facts,* then we may look into that as a public health issue. Otherwise, homophobia is just another phobia as defined above. So far, we have not seen any such facts from the homophobes here.

To suggest this as 49 homosexuals were just murdered for who they were is cold and insensitive. And I must call it out for what it is: blind hatred. Tell you what, while I am rallying with other allies and gays in sorrow and mourning, why don't you get with the folks from the Family Research Council and the Westboro Baptist Church, and catcall at us from the periphery. And it *is* the periphery. Civilized society is actively recognizing that they are just people, as the rest of us are just people, entitled to all the rights and duties of "normal" people. And we are moving forward.

Ake, you are on the wrong side of history. You may have many other admirable qualities. But your homophobia is not one of them.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Brothers, Sons, Fathers.
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 16 - 08:20 AM

I totally agree with what you posted Saul but I must take exception with your characterization of the murdered as "49 homosexuals" - they were 49 persons, we don't really know the sexual orientation of every one of them nor is it particularly relevant. One fellow was there with his mother, she was killed, he survived. If this had been a so called straight club we would not hear that 49 heterosexuals were killed. I think it's time we all recognize each other as persons without reference to race or sexual orientation.