BS: Things that come naturally to you

Subject: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 06:51 PM

Its easier to list the things that don't come naturally to me like spelling.
While decluttering I found some of my illuminati drawings, names like Donald, David or Sarah that look the same upside down or make different words. These come naturally to me but still take time.

I think the ease some projects seem to have indicates one's unique intelligence. It might be for survival or some other evolutionary advantage or just a dead end but they are significant examples of our uniqueness.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Joe_F
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 09:41 PM

Sleep.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 11:53 PM

Wiggling my ears.

Whistling either exhaling or inhaling.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 12:23 AM

I'm lefthanded. Give me a melody and the chords, and my left hand takes off by itself on the keyboard, surprising me with new accompaniments that I was unaware of until until I've heard myself play them. I don't have amazing skill, just gratifying.

Another thing that comes naturally is bird-watching. A friend once said to me, "You can see birds out of the back of your head!"

Donuel, I wrote Sarah and turned it upside down, and it looks like yava5. Please explain about Donald, David and Sarah.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: BobL
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 02:58 AM

Whiskers.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:25 AM

Drinking whisky ?


Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:26 AM

Like all the Irish side of my family, I have a modest talent for languages and accents. My Irish aunties could recite funny rhymes, sing funny songs and 'do' a comic turn in any number of voices and accents.
My two Scottish nieces from the Irish side, when very small, had a different 'voice' for each one of their toys. The younger girl had a stuffed toy monkey, who had an accent just like a used-car salesman - dodgy and spivvy!
I'm just the same. It's very handy, as when I'm abroad I can pick up words like a sponge. And having lived in several parts of the UK, I find myself speaking just like the natives. At the moment I'm doing Broad Norfolk, having been here for forty years. It was also useful when teaching. If the class seemed to be losing concentration, I'd suddenly start speaking in another accent. They never knew who I'd be next!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:49 AM

Not sports.

But I do stick my tongue out the side of my mouth when I'm working really hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 04:01 AM

leeneia, I seem to spot birds (and other wildlife) that others haven't noticed. I sort of 'scan' the countryside and pick up on my radar the tiniest thing. I absolutely adore wildlife, and so I'm always on the lookout. It's even better if my husband's driving, as I can concentrate on the landscape and forget the traffic on the road!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 06:07 AM

egregious puns

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Stu
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 06:42 AM

Eating whelks.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 06:48 AM

Entropy.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 07:52 AM

I have absolutely no idea why I can pick up a harmonica and immediately play a tune that I've never tried to play before. It won't sound pretty until I've honed it somewhat, but I can do it straight away. I'm sure that many other fellow instrumentalists here can do it too. I've been asked by several people who can play only from notation how I do it. I haven't a clue. I'm not a singer but I can sing back at the correct pitch a note played to me every time. Mrs Steve can't do that, though she's definitely not tone deaf (is anyone?). To slightly misquote Vladimir Ashkenazy, the mighty pianist and conductor, music is a complete mystery to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 09:18 AM

Hi, Senoufou. I love your technique for getting the attention of an inattentive class. And I'm glad to hear from somebody else who watches for birds and wildlife. The downside of that is that I can ride to a place and not really know how we got there.

Steve, that's interesting about your knack for the harmonica.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 09:38 AM

English and logic (the type that's inexplicably considered math). I had a class in college that covered logic, and I never understood why it would have to be taught.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 09:47 AM

Learned after years of working in the Discernment of Vocation process:

The biggest clue to your true calling is that thing you just can't help doing, that tends to go well for everyone, that you just can't stop doing even after you decide that you need to stop doing it.

That's your thing, right there.

Mine are Justice and Discernment.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: mkebenn
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 10:02 AM

Like Senoufou, I have an affinity for other living things, and I also want to touch or pick them up, unless they are biting or stinging arthropods. Reptiles, amphibians, Mammals, birds, fish are not safe from a fondle. I am very aware of their delicacies, such as the scales on butterflies' and moth's wings, and I can not ignore an animal in distress, domestic or otherwise. This is natural to me, and am confused that all people aren't the same. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 11:43 AM

Simple logic comes naturally to me.

Quote I had a class in college that covered logic, and I never understood why it would have to be taught

How many times have I picked my words carefully and said "this or that"
only to have it heard as "this and that"!

You don't have to understand boolean algebra to know the difference between "and" & "or". But sadly there are plenty who don't make the distinction unless "they" are speaking.
"Motivated Reasoning" - obviously.

Logic has to be taught to some, so it is taught to all? Cover the ground. Teaching essential life skills IMNSHO.

Don't even get me started on what constitutes the actual "next Sunday" - logic doesn't apply, dialect & upbringing rule that one!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 01:20 PM

Mike, I'm like you. I get in an awful state if I see something suffering. We get beautiful little damsel flies, iridescent turquoise wings and so delicate, trapped in our conservatory. I nearly break my blooming neck climbing on the furniture to reach the ceiling, trying to cup them gently in my hands and set them free outside.

I once went on Retreat to a convent of nuns, and I was given a lovely shell to take outside and examine as an aid to meditation. Sitting in their peaceful garden, I was rapt for ages just examining the colours and the form.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: mkebenn
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 02:24 PM

Senoufou, we are forever pulling things out of landlord's pool, frogs, toads tiny snakes, etc. This morning while emptying the filter I grabbed a rather large wolf spider, violating my one restriction. I dropped her quick, thankfully unbitten, got a twig to remove her to the yard. My room mate and Ex thought all spiders should die, but I'm not built like that. I told you awhile ago about that fool softshell in Florida. lol. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mysha
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 02:51 PM

Hi,

Things that come natural to me: Wondering. Also, wandering, I guess.


Logic is easy, but it took me a while to see that it's artificial. Sometimes, when we use "or", we actually mean it that way, but is has been formalised to always mean what we often write as "and/or". Hence, some people will believe that "and" is included when your intention is that it isn't. Read Lewis Carroll to see a lot of play on that difference.

Bye
                                                                  Mysha

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:36 PM

We have in our village an absolutely daft pair of swans. They nest every year on the lake behind the farm, then for some strange reason waddle EVERY DAY along the middle of the main road to the river about a mile away, leading their poor little cygnets over the tarmac. Later in the evening they waddle all the way back again. The cygnets sink down exhausted in the road, but the dad shoves them and forces them to go on with their daily route march. We're all worried about this, but of course you can't help them as the adults would attack anyone who came near. I've been in tears, and several of us have mounted a human 'traffic control' to stop lorries from squashing the family flat. We've even had warning signs made so that motorists are prepared. I've tried to think of ways we could solve this. I'd like to scoop them all up and put them in some sort of trailer to take them safely to their destination. But it wouldn't work. And the blooming things do this morning and evening, until the cygnets can fly. Every blinking year. I'm the sort that gets very upset over their vulnerability, but none of us has yet found a solution!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: gnu
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:59 PM

BWL... "Entropy." Love it!

Mr Red... ""Motivated Reasoning"". Love it. As for "or" or "and", I have been woefully assailed in this forum for abhorring the complete disrespect of the logic of language by those that defend "Try and do...". NO NO NO NO! One tries TO do something. To "try and do" something is to me, well, I just cannot describe my ire when I hear it.

So, being upset by illogical usage of language structure comes, naturally, to me. As for those that say such usages are acceptable because they are commonly used in modern vernacular is unacceptable to me. Try TO tell me I am wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 04:41 PM

What about thirty miles an hour, gnu?

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mysha
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 04:56 PM

Hi Senoufou,

Do the swans literally use the middle of the road? Enough so that one could set up an emergency swan lane for the time they do this, with swan crossings at either end?

Or, is this road local enough that the local community can give permission to close it down or limit traffic speed for the swan days and hours. (Or lower traffic speed permanently if there's reason to.)

Otherwise, you could try setting up a smooth walking path along the road, especially if the swans can get to the river without actually crossing, but it would have to be a very clear path, and I imagine several neighbours would be involved and quite a bit of money. (Not to mention the scary task of blocking the swans from the only path they know that will lead them to the river.)

Bye,
                                                                Mysha

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 05:16 PM

Nicola Adams became the first British boxer to retain an Olympic title for 92 years by winning gold in the women's flyweight final at Rio 2016.

I suppose i am "skilled" going for the wrong interpretation when there is ambiguity. I read the above as being about a startlingly old Olympian.

And it is a family joke that when my wife put "a large orange" on the shopping list I bought a large orange. Apparently everyone else knew it meant a large bottle of orange juice.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 08:20 PM

Ah, Jaysus, I can't tell you the number of times I've rung Mrs Steve from the aisles of Morrisons to ask her what the hell something or other meant on her damn shopping list!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 11:13 PM

Steve, was that you wandering around Marsh's in Kansas City and asking women what panko was?

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 03:22 AM

Panko: I can honestly say that, that word or it's use, has and will, never come naturally to me.

Now there's another thing that has no logic and doesn't come naturally. It just is:

its and it's - when to use the apostrophe!
Yea, Yea. The rule is "missing" not "possessive" but there is no logic to resolve the two over-arching rules that conflict.
It's: its apostrophe just is!
Isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 04:45 AM

Hello there Mysha!
Yes, the silly buggers DO use the middle of the road. Right down the centre of the village street. It's a small village, but we do get a lot of farm lorries coming through (deliveries of cattle feed, fertiliser, and at this time of year massive combine harvesters) and the street has several tight corners. A lorry would be upon the birds before the driver realised.
Its so narrow there isn't room even for a pavement, let alone a swan lane, (which is nevertheless a brilliant idea of yours!) so two or three of us ring eachother up to say they're on their way and we station ourselves along the route waving like lunatics at lorry drivers to explain the hazard.
The birds leave the street at the end and go up a quiet lane (phew!) down to the river, but the stony surface hurts the babies' little webbed feet. Many residents just shrug and say what will be will be, but tears come easily to me where wildlife is concerned, and I'd break my heart if these vulnerable creatures got squashed or maimed.
I might get in touch with the official swan authorities. All swans in UK belong to the Queen, so maybe she can come up with a solution!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 07:36 AM

"Steve, was that you wandering around Marsh's in Kansas City and asking women what panko was?"

Nah, I'm cool with panko. It's usually when I'm in the dairy aisle. I'm stood in front of an array of different sorts of cream: double, single, whipping, clotted, etc., in all sorts of container sizes. The list just says "cream." So I ring her up and ask her what "cream" is supposed to mean. I get shouted at for not being a mind-reader, for not knowing precisely how much of what kind she needs for a recipe she hasn't told me about. I'm one of life's victims, I tell you.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 09:04 AM

A new ballet: Swan Lane.

My youngest brother could pick up a language in a couple of weeks if he were immersed in it. When he died he spoke Vietnamese and Spanish with fluency and could get along well enough in street Japanese, Tagalog, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Hebrew, and Russian. When he died he was beginning to teach English to an old fella from Mongolia when all they had between them was 40 year old Russian
All of my family picks up accents. We can let loose with a string of, say, German, which sounds for all the world like it means something. Yes, some people say that carries over into my daily life.
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Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 09:10 AM

gnu beat me to applause for the answer Entropy.

The autonomic nervous system is suppose to be beyond any conscious control but I have found there are ways to influence the ANS. What would you expect from a hypnotist.
Heal thyself is great but I would not abandon Zithromax and such.


As in the Tom Hanks Vatican movies;

THE way to draw words with vertical symmetry like Sarah is to create a letter that shares both S-ness and h-ness, with an a and an r that is flipped easily upside down by adding lines.

I am reminded here that
I too feel I can talk to animals with my eyes. There is a language of opening and closing eyes with feeling that animals understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 09:13 AM

Just out of interest Rap, is there any Irish blood in your family? It seems to be the Irish side of ours that has inherited this talent.

There is actually a real Swan Lane in the centre of Norwich, and a pub called 'The Black Swan' in my last village. Unfortunately the locals call it 'The Datty Duck'!

A neighbour just told me this morning that someone has stolen the special swan signs from the village street during the night! And the sign for the village of Fustyweed is forever getting pinched. I imagine those of Little Snoring and Great Snoring are often nicked as well, not to mention the street sign for Nowhere Lane. We have funny place names in Norfolk!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mysha
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 11:24 AM

Hi,

Wow, it would appear you have something people would like to have. Maybe you can sell swan signs in a village shop, and so finance the costs of the real ones, or other developments. I'm not saying you should become "The village of the Swan Trek", but if it could raise swan awareness, draw trek volunteers, and somewhat finance running costs, then things would look better all around.

Bye,
                                                                  Mysha

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: mkebenn
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 11:40 AM

Swans End? Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 01:22 PM

If you Google 'Our Swans - Lyng On Line' you can see four photos of these crazy creatures.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:34 PM

There seems to be distinct differences in our innate talents especially in the realm of language. Probably because I have none.
Human speech has been around for 100,000 years while written language is evidenced for only 5,000 years. Spoken language has an evolutionary advantage of having more time to evolve than writing.

I have a theory that everyone has heard from their parents,
IF YOU DON'T USE IT YOU LOSE IT.
It doesn't apply only to muscles.
When it involves talent and our senses I believe this is true.
MANY of use have the hardware for specialized senses but never used, activated or practiced them.

I have to briefly leave men out for an example regarding vision and color sense. Some women but no men have an extra color cone in their eyes. Because women have 2 X chromosomes and men have an X and Y. men do not have two copies therefor do not express this cone advantage.
However women with this advantage who actually use it is only about one in ten. You see, dogs have two cones blue and green, men have three (blue green red) and some women have 4 (blue green yellow and red). With addition of specialized cones one increases sensed color by hundreds and then hundreds of thousands more.

Without a knowledge, word or category for this enhanced sense, most tetra coned women will never take advantage of it. Use it or lose it.

I bet this losing scenario of other advanced senses repeats itself many times over due to ignorance, dogma and cultural/scientific bias.
These 'invisible senses' possibilities should be allowed to be taught to children.

For this reason, a new kind of Alice in Wonderland is needed.



PS some people with blue eyes see a wider spectrum into a bit of UV and IR. For example UV from the sun when isolated and filtered ( as by rare opals) look like a bright black violet to me. Believe me, bright black feels weird.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 01:48 AM

That's interesting, Donuel.

My husband was always amazed that I could gaze at a piece of fabric at home, go shopping for a number of things and come home with a spool of thread that matched the fabric beautifully.

I guess he just doesn't have a cabinet in his brain where he can store a precise memory of a color.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 03:32 AM

And the sign for the village of Fustyweed is forever getting pinched
in Upton on Severn (Folk Festival early May BH) the road sign for "Minge Lane" is set on pillars that put the sign at ground level. Before they did that it would get sawn off.

Some women but no men have an extra color cone in their eyes
it is well recognised that for women (statistically) better visual acuity in the red region and presumeably that includes yellow, comes naturally. The reason evolution made that so is unclear but it is hypothesized that women did more fruit gathering so it conferred an evolutionary advantage to recognise ripe fruit and possibly distinguish poisenous red fruit. Whereas men had to be able to spot a lot of brown animals as prey (or be eaten). Hence men are better in the browner regions.

I don't know, but I would bet, men have better blue and hence night vision.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 12:27 PM

Color memory is a real sense ability as is perfect pitch.
There is a disputed 'color touch' sense that seems incredible.

The only reason English speaking people have a smaller per capita population of perfect pitch citizens compared to China is because the Chinese language has pitch specific tones practiced everyday. Use it or lose it.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 01:28 PM

Daughter-of-mine had a real problem in A level art, because she was too natural. She would produce high standard work at the first attempt each time (though often work out where it was going as she went). However the syllabus called for her to produce preliminary designs, explored and rejected ideas and so forth, all of which had to be presented along with the finished item. she was obliged to manufacture them after the event for no other purpose than to keep the examiner happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 02:20 PM

DMcG that's totally stultifying! I remember when the National Curriculum came into being, any spontaneity or individualism seemed to have been crushed out of the poor pupils. My niece is almost at genius level in mathematics, and could get to the solution of very complex problems in her head (A Level maths) in seconds. She found it very tedious having to set out her working, and show how she'd arrived at the answer.
Imagine if Van Gogh or Turner had been forced to show preliminary designs etc. They'd have thrown their palettes at the examiner's head!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 02:32 PM

I actually think laughing comes naturally to me. I'm a dreadful giggler, often at inopportune moments. I remember once the Vicar at the solemn point of consecration of the Host, genuflected before the altar and unfortunately let rip a very loud fart. I was so helpless with giggles I thought I would need an ambulance. I laughed about that for days.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 03:19 PM

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 04:41 PM

What about thirty miles an hour, gnu?

A bit. Not so much as it's more of a quantification contraction than a logical screw up. Properly written in my vernacular, it would be, "Be the Lard Jaysus! We was doin 60 milesnhour when this friggin moose come outta NOwhere n I hit the brakes, swung er inta tha ditch n back out again. Some friggin lucky we didn't end up as steaks."

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 05:57 PM

😂

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 08:32 PM

However the syllabus called for her to produce preliminary designs, explored and rejected ideas and so forth, all of which had to be presented along with the finished item. she was obliged to manufacture them after the event for no other purpose than to keep the examiner happy.

Sounds rather like the way my wife used to have to make up the lesson plans after the lesson.

I rather believe the world is divided between those for whom theory comes before practice, and the other way round. The trouble is, we tend to believe our way is the natural way and the only way. I never understand instructions until I've done it, and worked out how it's done in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 08:38 PM

What constipated linear minded tyrant came up with preliminary design?

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 16 - 08:48 PM

God, possibly.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 03:53 AM

McGrath, did you mention LESSON PLANS?? Stand in the naughty corner at once!
God, I hated and detested bloody lesson plans. After 30 years of teaching, there I sat every Sunday evening, like some rookie student teacher, writing a Teaching By Numbers account of what I'd done in the past week, every lesson, every subject, every group, page after ruddy page. These were submitted as if I'd done them prior to the lessons, not in retrospect, as your wife did. In actual fact, I always taught by the skin of my teeth. It came naturally to me to gauge the mood of the pupils, use something topical I'd come across and teach to the receptive atmosphere in the room. On the spur of the moment out would come the Art materials, or we'd go into the playground to act out a history moment. Or I'd put a pertinent song on the CD player. Imagine if, like a good girl, I'd stuck to some prescribed set-in-stone Lesson Plan! Grrrrrr! (bites someone)
We were asked to read Dickens' Hard Times during my postgrad PGCE year
and I swear Mr Gradgrind is still alive and kicking in Education Departments everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:22 PM

singing

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 01:31 PM

In my day I had brilliant teachers liable to veer off into unpredictable and extended diversions as and when it seemed to fit. I'm pretty certain none of them had ever heard of the notion of "lesson plans".

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 02:49 PM

I always wondered who actually reads all these accountability bits of paper? There must be enormous mountains of Lesson Plans in schools all over the country mouldering away in filing cabinets. Our Head couldn't possible have waded through all that every week.
My neighbour works in a Nursery, and has to take photos of the little ones as they 'reach a milestone'!! So if a tot manages to count a row of toys, she's there like the paparazzi snapping away the moment for posterity. The poor little things can't just enjoy playing in the sand or water tray, it all has to be ticked in a box on a form. Stultifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 03:03 PM

I never understand instructions until I've done it, and worked out how it's done in the process

My methodology with modern gizmos and software is to not read the manual or help file. If I can do it without it is a well designed item. If I read the manual, they haven't thought it through.

But one yesterday needed local knowledge. Baby buggy folding. I was pressing buttons with both hands and bending the joint. The girlfriend (her Nephews's son's chair) just yanked on a strap in the seat and it collapsed as she lifted! And it was stable in the normal position.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 05:34 PM

AThe trick is, try every option, and you'll find the right one and remember it.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:43 AM

Mysha- and/or confusion



I was booking an aircraft seat and to take one on an exit row there is a condition: you need to be able to understand instructions given by the crew in English and Dutch.


So; do I have to speak both English and Dutch, or is either sufficient? To add piquency we are are talking about not blocking aisles etc in an emergency evacuation and it is quite common for Dutch people to speak both languages fluently so the 'both' interpretation is not absurd.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 11:25 AM

A bit like the sign on escalators in the London Tube that says "Dogs must be carried".
I've always chanced my arm and used them even when I haven't got a dog, but then I've got a rebellious streak. Always got away with it so far...

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 11:41 AM

'Dogs must be carried' hahaha! All commuters would have to find some mutt or other to take onto the Tube.

Sorry to bore people absolutely rigid with the Swan Saga, but this morning I came out of the village shop and there they were again, just appearing round the corner. But only five cygnets and one adult, the pen. Where is the cob and the other two offspring? A chap told me Sue (don't know her) had found one cygnet with an injured foot and took it home to tend to it, and he reckoned the fox had got the cob. I don't buy this, as a fox is no match for an angry adult swan.
I escorted them to the start of the quiet lane, and the pen hissed at me as I waved a motorist to wait. She soon settled down. I think they know we're trying to help them. The cygnets are now huge, up to my waist and as big as their mum. Poor things, struggling along in that ungainly fashion. I get so upset...

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 12:31 PM

Comments were made up there ^ about logic. I took college courses in logic, but what I got out of them was some overview & comprehension of what I had been doing for years. I discovered I had a penchant/talent for sorting out the processes in thinking and reasoning. It led me to major in Philosophy so I could browse thru the history OF thinking and compare various systems & concepts and integrate my own processes.
   This is subjectively useful, but not always appreciated when I critique others about their thinking.... either in person or in forums like this. I mostly just use whatever ability I have these days to dissect the news and political remarks. No one complains when I 'yell at the TV programs'...(unless I get TOO loud).

Also, when I was in 7th grade, I got a high score in a 'spacial relationships' test, which gave me advanced placement in shop courses.... which I didn't really want back then. It took me years to realize that my natural talent was good for rearranging furniture, packing boxes & moving vans, seeing shapes in odd bits of wood and stacking... and re-stacking... all the extraneous stuff I acquired as I took up woodworking as a retirement hobby.

I'm not much of a musician, but I can hear whether someone else is in tune or has the tune wrong.... ummm... different from what was expected.

I am not sure whether it is a virtue or a flaw, but I am able to avoid internalizing most of the strife & sadness I see in the news. It keeps a line between sympathy & empathy, so that I can control MY reactions in a semi-sane way.

sheesh... didn't mean to sound so stuffy about all this, but I hate to answer that kind of question in a silly, offhand way.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 12:47 PM

Senoufou, why don't you get in touch with:

the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds or
the Humane Society or
your local animal control?

They may have insights into swan behavior which will solve this problem.
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But didn't I read someplace that all swans belong to the Queen? Give Her Majesty a jingle.

Thanks for your observations, Bill D?

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 01:20 PM

Ah, leeneia, I think I'll give Her Maj a call. She might invite me to tea, and we can have a nice little chat about one's swans.
I reckon the cygnets are about ready to fly, and then they'll go by air to the river!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 11:41 AM

Good, good. I'm glad you are taking my suggestion seriously.



:)

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 16 - 05:11 PM

A blind person has to work out numerous work arounds that they or you have not consciously considered. I mention this because there are people with profound disabilities who seem to possess different abilities because of their deficit. As a person unable to fully translate language, literature and reading I had to invent different means of information gathering, some of which has no logical explanation to the point of suspicion and disbelief. A blank slate can invent such things with the benefit of not knowing it is suppose to be impossible. This may have been a reason why I was so good at placebo science.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Aug 16 - 05:43 PM

Don, I know what "placebo" means, and I'm pretty good with "science", but what is "placebo science"?

I forgot about this. I used to think everybody could do this: I can mirror-write. I can write something with my left hand and simultaneously write it backwards with my right. It may be because I'm technically ambidextrous. I do backwards well-used to take notes in college backwards for a short while.

The following happened, which may be interesting to people, or, OTOH, be a while load of "who gives a shit?!" When I was just learning to use scissors, my parents though "Oh great - now we have to find left-handed scissors" and by the time they found some, I was using the right-handed ones with my right hand. So now, I can use scissors, as well as wrenches, screwdrivers and other tools, in either hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Aug 16 - 04:13 AM

Jeri, I found like you that it is possible to engage the non-dominant hand/arm. I suffered a 'frozen shoulder' last year. My word it was painful, and my right arm, which is my dominant one, was completely out of action. I had it in a sling for several weeks and was determined not to become a pathetic wreck, so got my left arm to do stuff. It was weird at first, and the other arm tried to 'join in' causing me agonies. But I persevered, and eventually could do everything with the 'wrong' hand and arm. Now it's all recovered, the skill has remained; quite useful!
Lord Baden Powell (creator of the Scout Movement) trained himself to use both sides and be ambidextrous.
But as teachers, we were warned never to try and force a child to stop being left-handed, as it would cause problems in the brain, where the dominance originates. Don't know if there's any truth in that!
My bossy little sister is left-handed, and always said it's a sign of great intelligence. She may be right, as she's amazingly bright, has a very high IQ and runs rings round me! Maddening!

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 16 - 11:42 AM

There is a possibility that some left handed people were twins in the womb but reabsorbed their counterpart. The small kick start of extra nutrience is overshadowed by the early developmental course change.
I know it sounds macabre but biology is innocent.

Jeri the idea that hypnosis is an ultimate placebo demanded that I coin the term placebo science when speaking of therapeutic hypnosis.

Therapeutic hypnosis Inc. was also a firm I worked for once.

Of all the associations one has with the word hypnosis you will notice that many of them have a negative connotation. I was dedicated to only the positive aspects of the craft such as quiting smoking weight loss end of ie counseling, surgical assistance, dental work support, slef confidence, escape from cults and things that had never been tried before.

This week CNN has a special called HOLY HELL. It is about a Jim Jones like character who does not seem like an evil maniacal actor from central casting but appears rather like a dancing Angel.

Hypnosis is neither good nor evil but in the wrong hands we can get Trump like characters

I have not seen holy hell but I will check it out.

Subject: RE: BS: Things that come naturally to you
From: meself
Date: 01 Sep 16 - 01:15 AM

I'm really good at putting my foot in my mouth. Either foot, in fact. I frequently do it without even thinking about it!