BS: 1066 and all that

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 07:30 PM

Noddy and Big Ears told him.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 07:38 PM

Ah yes, the Enid Blyton take on Little England. I knew it! D'ye think that Woodcock lives somewhere on Nutwood Common? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Howard Jones
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 02:57 AM

If you have indeed dug the coal or grown the wheat for yourself then of course you are fully entitled to the rewards. However that presupposes you have the resources to acquire the land, and purchase the machinery, equipment and materials, and possibly pay for someone to assist you. If not, then you must pay rent for the land, interest on the capital, and wages for the labour. All these factors have contributed to the production, and all are entitled to be rewarded. What is left over is your profit. This is basic economics.

I don't deny that the balance between these factors can be unequal and that sometimes one of them is in a position to exploit another, and all too often that has been the workers providing the labour. However that is not always the case, and there are plenty of examples where labour has the whip hand, perhaps because of a shortage of the necessary skills which allows them to charge more, or because unionisation has given them greater clout.

There have been, indeed still are, economies where people work the land they or their ancestors hacked out of the wilderness. They are invariably amongst the poorest in the world. It was breaking away from that model which allowed us to create the affluent society we live in today, where even the poorest are better housed, clothed and fed than their ancestors could have dreamt of.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 03:27 AM

Where did I get it from Shaw? Same place I get all of my information when discussing any historical topic from historical works concerning the events or the period, great shame that you do not do the same instead of relying on your spoon fed and totally inaccurate "socialist myths and stereotypes". You and your pals here might fall for that ullage as being part and parcel of your adoption of the politics of envy that you have clearly displayed here.

I note that you do not challenge or counter anything I have said, but there again you never do - you do not have the knowledge or the facts at your command to do so - same goes for your little group of sycophants. Raggy has long since abandoned any attempt to take me on, on detail, his knowledge has been shown to be lacking too many times, so he has now converted himself into an eastern Atlantic version of Greg F.


So tell us all Shaw what other than an agreed rent do tenant farmers pay to the owners of the land they farm?

What land or property has our current Head of State "stolen" or acquired by "dishonest means"? If you believe she has then it is your duty to report the matter to the police.

Nutwood Common? See your knowledge of natural history is about as good as your knowledge of any other history - sadly lacking - Habitat of Scolopax rusticola is woodland not open land available for public use.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 03:56 AM

If you have indeed dug the coal ...................... then of course you are fully entitled to the rewards. However that presupposes you have the resources to acquire the land,

Even if you own the land, your neighbours may be mining it underneath you. Are they stealing your coal or are they entitled to the rewards for the effort they have put in?

"The meek shall inherit the earth, but not its mineral rights."
— attributed to Jean Paul Getty


DC

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Howard Jones
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 05:27 AM

That depends on who owns the mineral rights, which can be separate from ownership of the land itself. I think I'm correct in saying that in the UK coal is owned by the Coal Authority on behalf of the Crown ie the state, so Steve would need a licence from them to extract it which I assume he would have to pay for.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 06:29 AM

LOL, take you on !?! I just cannot be bothered with trying to discuss anything with an intellectual midget.

I would suggest you carry on doffing your cap to the masters.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 06:52 AM

See what I mean about the eastern Atlantic version of Greg F.

What's the matter Raggy haven't you got anything at all to say? Are you so poor at backing up your side of the discussion?

Not aware of me having "doffed my cap" to anyone, as opposed to you lot of tooth sucking moaners muttering that it is "all someone else's fault and ain't life unfair" whilst crying into your pints whilst huddled together skulking in some dark corner.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 06:58 AM

I haven't got the time or inclination to discuss anything with dullards who want to go into the nuts and bolts of how we get coal out of the ground, etc. That is simply not the point. I am explaining in simple terms why I think that landlordism is a thoroughly unjust, immoral and unfair phenomenon. Unjust because all their holdings were usurped either by them or their ancestors, land which they had no more right to "own" than anyone else. Immoral because they profit hugely from the blood, sweat and tears, even the shortened lives, of the people who do all the work while they live in the lap of luxury. Unfair because they are depriving in large part the people they exploit from benefiting from the wealth that they alone create. The sense of entitlement this gives to the wealthy is staggering. Why, in the end it throws up the Russian oligarchs, the Trumps, the Maxwells, the Sir Freddie Goodwins and the Philip Greens of this world. Oh, and not forgetting BigEars.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 07:01 AM

Eyes right, quick march, left right, left right, left right ........

Never doffed your cap?, It seems your whole existence has been predicated on obeying orders from your superiors. Don't question what the officer says.

What a pathetic way to lead a life and you are the epitome of such.

Bye bye, Teri.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 07:22 AM

See nothing changes Raggy - still posting on subjects that you know S.F.A. about and displaying your ignorance.

Bye bye Teri If only

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 09:53 AM

Isn't it time to forget who did what in the past and look towards how to improve things? A society that shares common resources on a more equitable basis than we do now be is certainly something for us all to strive for. What the past can teach us is that it should be evolution rather than revolution and we should not make the same mistakes over and over again.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 10:22 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 06:58 AM
landlordism is a thoroughly unjust, immoral and unfair phenomenon. Unjust because all their holdings were usurped either by them or their ancestors, land which they had no more right to "own" than anyone else.
So if no-one has a right to own land, then the persons from whom it has been 'usurped' can have no reason for complaint. Someone else has come along who wants to use the same land. The original users didn't own it.

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Stu
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 10:38 AM

Teribus' post at: Date: 18 Oct 16 - 03:10 PM

About as big a pile of horse manure that will ever be written about the Acts of Inclosue. It's actually impressive in it's interpretation of the actual events; that sort of ability to bullshit takes no small degree of imagination. Say what you want about T, the lad's got talent.


"Habitat of Scolopax rusticola is woodland not open land available for public use."

Are there any Scolopax rusticola (italicise binomials Tezza!) actually left in this country? I thought your lords and masters had shot the lot and stuffed them up the harris of a goose (or something like that).

Subject: RE: BS: 1066 and all that
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Oct 16 - 11:33 AM

"I thought your lords and masters had shot the lot" - Stu

Nope, guess you thought wrong - like most of the "socialist" fairy tales you believe Stu.