BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended

Subject: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 12:08 PM

The FBI has thwarted 3 Kansas militia men from using 4 car bombs to destroy a Somali immigrant apartment building the day after the election to "wake people up".

Mass murder by militia men like Tim McVeigh is all to common at times of increased xenophobia.

To keep things in perspective out of a million militia members there is only a small number willing to act out their misconceived anger.

But Trump seems like he will not put hate side after the election.

In this case the FBI deserves high praise.

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 12:20 PM

Geez- ya mean all the terrorists AREN'T Muslim Extremeists???

Who knew?

What will the Trumpists say???

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 01:27 PM

This stuff goes on far more than people realize. I think we'd likely be swimming in fear if it all was publicized.

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 01:47 PM

People had better be very careful following a Trump defeat. Or for that matter, a Trump victory, God forbid.

One way you've got a lot of pretty unhinged people who'll be very angry, and the other way you've got a lot of fanatics and racists thinking it's a green light for acting out their fantasies.

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Oct 16 - 02:04 PM

Trump- the gift that keeps on giving, either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 11:29 AM

Trump has no desire or even the slightest intention of becoming the President of the United States of America.

His original intention I believe was to get certain things on the agenda for discussion, then things began to runaway from him. He has to stay in it to save face.

Looking back at his campaigning since nomination and everyone else dropping out he has made a concerted effort to alienate the Hispanic vote and just recently he has done everything in his power to see that he has alienated himself from the female vote all 80.7 million of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 11:50 AM

You mean certain things like banning all Muslims and forcing Mexico to build a 1900-mile wall? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 12:35 PM

On the whole, Trump's most loyal followers represent a compelling argument for the return of both forced sterilization, and frontal lobotomy.

The fact that Clinton holds a double digit lead in all the major polls and has been given a 90% chance of winning should prepare the Trumpists for the strong possibility of defeat. But those numbers mean nothing to people who've been told by their leader that the mainstream media is 100% pro-Clinton and who derive their "information" from the Drudges, Limbaughs, and Breitbarts of the world. "Reality" seems to be some meaningless abstract concept that has no bearing on their lives.

In a way, I hope that a defeated Trump does fly off the handle and say something that can be interpreted as issuing a "call to arms" to his faithful. Then he can be arrested and held without bail until he's prosecuted for incitement to riot, at the least, and possibly for advocating the overthrow of the US government by violent means. To recycle one of the Donald's own rallying cries, "Lock her him up! Lock her him up! Lock her him up!"

Subject: RE: BS: Americn militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 01:14 PM

My son and his American wife are planning to go across in December to spend Christmas with her family. I'm starting to feel worried at the prospect.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 02:59 PM

I should be more worried about how much their dollars are going to cost them if I were you.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 04:30 PM

Dollars and pounds and euros are more or less the same now. Much simpler that way.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 04:44 PM

T-Bird, you're getting as delusional as Ake lately about Trump & Co.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 07:14 PM

Michael Moore also suggested, sort of half seriously, Trump actually had no thought of winning, and doesn't want. He said it was about making sure his TV career didn't go down the drain.

I think he was watching Citizen Kane, one of his favourite movie. Kane of course run a populist campaign to get elected, and doesn't win, so Trump thought he could do better.

It's got nothing to do with politics. I doubt very much if he had any notion it could get this far. It's a kind of joyride that got out of control.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 08:08 PM

Well, Kevin, that doesn't explain all the Republican pols and big-wigs that supported him at the outset and STILL support him.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 08:41 PM

It's about money and power. Them that don't have want some and them that do have want to hang on to what they have.

As for home-grown terrorism, it's always possible. It's also possible in the UK and everywhere else. However, the FBI and Secret Service seem to have a handle on most of it or there wouldn't be the arrests.

If, as some seems to think, there will be a "revolution" if Donny isn't elected, I think it would be a very wet firecracker indeed. And I say from Idaho, a state that bleeds Republicanism.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 11:27 PM

I dearly hope you are right, Rap. Me, I'm not so sanguine. If I were a bettor I'd lay money on at least one melee, and I would guess on more than one.

I don't even come close to understanding the mindset of good, decent, sweet people who will vote for Trump. I suspect my own family is a prime example- I already knew that one of my brothers and his wife are Trump supporters (SOMEBODY, they say, has to do something to get this country back on track. I don't even bother discussing the situation with them). But last night I talked by phone at great length with my 92 year old sister who grants that she "doesn't like him but cannot stand Hillary Clinton." She lays it on religious grounds, believe it or not. I tried to stay calm but I felt like pulling out my hair.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 10:17 AM

good, decent, sweet people who will vote for Trump.

By definition, there are no such people.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 01:10 PM

But in fact that's not always true about trees. A valid generalisation at best.

Typically most healthy trees will produce some fruit, which for various reasons are rotten. And the other way round.

That clearly applies to political parties and political movements.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 01:21 PM

Greg F, I would agree with you except for one thing: Ignorance, which leads to gullibility, gullibility that encourages simplistic thinking.

Example 1: The farmer who may spend her or his life tending to crops and animals- and not spend an hour thinking about the country. Other than having an innate distrust of government, possibly from stories from the 'old country'.

Example 2: The Amish person who, at his parents' knee learned of the sustained violence perpetrated by government against their anabaptist and pacifist beliefs, (Ever hear of Martyrs Mirror?) and vowed never to support government.

I'm sure there are many other categories- but the opinions all stem from ignorance. And I am not talking about stupidity; some of these people are the proverbial 'salt of the earth', people who would not harm anyone, people who preach tolerance and acceptance and foregivness, people who, whether or not they actively love their country, are grateful to the country for having let them create a home there, people who want nothing more than to be let alone to live their lives there, people who are now disturbed at the news they can't help hearing and absorbing that their way of life is about to be irreparably disrupted.

And their ignorance allows them to embrace the one who talks the loudest.

My god- surely you can see that I am trying to understand my own family?

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 01:45 PM

So very well expressed, Ebbie. I'm a bit surprised that Greg hasn't been back yet to tell you that your family aren't decent people, and that you aren't a decent person for trying to empathize with them.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 02:06 PM

Not the point at all, Froggie.

The point is that ignorance may be an explanation, but its damn sure not an excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 02:08 PM

people who would not harm anyone,

Ah, but Ebbie - voting for Trump IS harming multitudes in a very real sense.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 03:28 PM

South Park has an interesting election trope going: In a main contestant face-off, the Trump stand-in keeps going to crowds saying "I'm a fraud! I'm unelectable! No one should vote for me!" and Hillary keeps going: "He's a liar! Don't believe anything he says!"

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 05:51 PM

I understand that voting is pretty unusual among the Amish, especially in national elections.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 06:34 PM

True, Kevin McGrath. However, there are many, many people out there who left the Amish and are now out 'in the world'. I should make clear that they do not consider themselves "ignorant"- the ones I know do plenty of reading but they typically do not branch out of their comfort zone. The ones I know listen carefully to their pastors - who tend to be conservative beyond belief. The Amish, after all, derived second hand from the Roman Catholic faith, and from the most conservative elements among them. Even though it has been, like, three hundred years that they broke off from them, their mindset is not all that different today.

And Greg, I fully agree with you- supporting trumpism is brutally dangerous to civilization.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 06:51 PM

Amish breakaway Catholics? Well, you could say the same of all Protestants, Ebbie.
............................
From the Boston Globe:
"If she's in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That's how I feel about it," Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. "We're going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that's what it takes. There's going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that's what it's going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country."

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Oct 16 - 08:07 PM

Democracy under attack - that his how Fox named this story;

A NC GOP office containing absentee ballots and yard signs was torched.
No one was injured but spray can graffiti on a wall read Nazi Republicans get out or else.

leftist radicals, false flag upstarts, arsonists, no one knows


To hear some Trumpists tell it you would think it was the Reichstag fire.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 11:12 AM

Kevin, rather than becoming more liberal in the breakaway, the Amish went in the other direction.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 01:39 PM

Not the only ones, Ebbie.   But the notion of "liberalism" in the 16th century upheavals is hardly irrelevant.
.........
"Democracy under attack" actually sounds like a very appropriate headline in the context of this election. But I suspect Fox would identify a different source for the attack.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 02:27 PM

Funny. I worked in Amish areas for 28 years. I knew Amish folk, including Amish bishops. They didn't tell people how to vote and in fact encouraged voting in local, state, and national elections.

(Ebbie, those areas were Geauga County, Ohio and the area around Middlebury, Indiana. And you're right -- in or not in the world, the Amish I knew read, probably more than the "Yankees.")

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 16 - 04:15 PM

Correction - I meant "relevant" in that last post.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 07:24 PM

Yes, Ebbie, I have heard of the Martyrs' Mirror, which puts not only government, but also the Vatican and one of its more notorious Holy Offices, well and truly in their places.

On another development:
I recall the opinions expressed following the November election, that people did not vote for Hillary Clinton because they did not want another war. I didn't want another war. I voted for Hillary Clinton.

Now, regardless, the mother of all bombs is front-page headlines today. So much for not wanting another war.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: bobad
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 07:36 PM

So much for not wanting another war.

The war in Afghanistan has been ongoing since 2001 FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: American militia terrorism on Nov.9 ended
From: Iains
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 10:48 AM

America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776
The U.S. Has Only Been At Peace For 21 Years Total Since Its Birth