BS: Good luck USA

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:31 PM

The central conclusion to be drawn is that Trump is a piece of gabage and those that support him are not much better.

Cest fini.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:16 PM

Trump supporters had every right to be angry and frightened. After the financial crisis hardly any of the crooks that caused it went to jail and the ones that were just stupid wound up bailing out with hundreds of millions of dollars as a reward for their incompetence. But people in the middle class lost their houses, their homes, their life savings and their jobs. So they said enough is is enough. This election I'm not going to vote for anyone from the establishment. Both the Republican party and the Democratic party tried to nominate a tried-and true(?) old guard established politician. Unfortunately for our country and the world, only one party succeeded.
I voted for HRC, but it's important to understand why others did not.
Other posters have already noted that had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president (and I think we would also have had control of the senate.) Alas, Democrats took a tremendous gamble and lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:00 PM

had the Democrats nominated Senator Sanders we would have had a Democratic president

Absolute Fantasy. But keep on keepin' on - that way we'll end up with more Trumps.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:17 PM

You're right: all we know for sure is that if had not nominated Sanders we would have ended up with Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:50 AM

I am going to try and get through the next four years without watching him even once. Ignore the pain until it goes away. Focus on grandbabies and fish. They I understand not the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:02 AM

Declared 100 day intentions by Trump
Deport illegal Mexicans and build the wall
Abolish Obama's health reforms.
Renege on any previous agreements on climate change
Little wonder that decent Americans right across the country - New York, Washington - San Francisco - have taken to the streets claiming he does not speak for them them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:06 AM

There are lessonsin eevery action in life. Maybe we need a lying piece of shit to show the nation why it's important to elect integrity and leadership in the future. I only hope his staff takes away the launch codes like his twitter account

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:12 AM

You should have stood, Dan! I did nominate you :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:30 AM

Guantanamo still exists - the power of a President demonstrated for all to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:56 PM

they joked about Nixon "would you buy a used car from this man"

I was serious about Obama when he was angry with Trump "even when he is angry I would buy a used car from this man"

And as for the Lump. "I wouldn't buy a used company from the guy". Even for free!

God bless America.
God, GOD! Where the £$"^*?! are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:05 PM

I like your plan, Dan and I'm going to steal it, "Fish your way through a Trump Life crisis."

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:16 PM

Nixon was just a common criminal.

Trump is a 24 karat piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:30 PM

Gilly plan on going to alaska with me this summer. We can steal my kids truck and camper and slaughter the salmon

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:52 PM

Lump

Whats good for the goose..

Ya know Mr. Red, lump could stick.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Airymouse
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:04 PM

My view that Senator Sanders would have been elected president has been deemed absolute fantasy, and of course there is no way for me to prove that I am right. I think, however, that the results from Michigan support my view. HRC lost Michigan by fewer than 12,000 votes.There were 89,000 Michigan voters who went to the polls and voted for all measures except the presidential race. These voters found all the candidates unacceptable, but I believe they would have found Sanders acceptable. Why do I believe that? Well for starters HRC was favored by the pollsters in Michigan by between 8 and 20 points, but lost to Sanders in the primary. Michael Moore, who knows more about voters in Michigan than most of us, said that he believed that Donna Brazile's dishonesty played a crucial part in HRC's defeat. The woman who asked the question (already supplied to HRC) was on TV the week before the election saying that she had been duped and played for a fool. The question was quite predictable, but it was the 2nd time Donna had provided a question, so it played into the image that HRC was dishonest, and that image had already been polished by Comey. Whether or not I'm right, the DNC needs to clean house and be whisker clean in the 2018 election and Democrats need to offer real change.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:13 PM

Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:14 PM

I now know how black people have felt for years and years. People I have known and respected for years and find out they were really closet racists. Trump signs etc. I will never again talk to closet bigots. That is what I hate most of all this

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:26 PM

I can freely accept difference in politics. But never accept bigotry and racism. Never before and now. Lost a lot of friends over this but I am better off without them

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:38 PM

I will never again waste my timevvoting in a Presidential election. Twice now my candidate won the most votes only to lose because of
OOur fucked up system

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 01:50 PM

"Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?"

The supporters of the side that:

*won the popular vote
*are disgusted by Trump's misogyny
*are disgusted by Trump's homophobia
*are disgusted by the fact that they are about to be governed by a man who thinks that sexual assault is fun
*want to keep their abortion rights and the right to gay marriage
*want to fight global warming
*want to reach out to the world, not shut themselves away in a country that is isolationist, protectionist and which makes friends with dictators such as Putin and Assad.


And anyone like to bet against the first death in these "riots" being perpetrated by a cop?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 02:53 PM

People need to just accept it and hope the coolaid wears off by next election

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 06:03 PM

Olddude, those of us who paid attention to earlier posts from you, as well as those who have been here longer than I have, know that Hillary Clinton is more than a name to you, she is someone you care about. Well, Mrs. Clinton may have lost the election, but look at it this way: you have not lost Mrs. Clinton. After observing how she coped and adapted during her husband's two terms -- I did what you are saying you will do, during Monica Lewinsky's metaphorical fifteen minutes of fame -- I am confident that Mrs. Clinton will cope, adapt, and work again.

I am no better than anyone else at viewing something, in that I put my own feelings and experiences into my viewpoint. My family of origin, which used to be virtually cemented into a show of unity, is not what it was in my childhood. There is a future for my relatives in the younger generations, however the family of my past is no more than an historical footnote to their future. And I honestly think this nation will never be the same again. God willing, we may avoid a civil war; we cannot avoid the division that threatens this nation's centralized government. And as olddude says, we will lose relationships as the divisions are confronted. There is much to grieve, and much to be done.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 08:51 PM

You are right my dear friend
I wwill settle down. I talked to her yesterday
Her aand bill
Are fine . It just hurts
Me a lot

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:03 PM

Her and bill were going for a hike at a state park. She wants
Us to support him.. I can't

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:10 PM

She is a class act for sure. Me not so much

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 09:17 PM

I don't know what they are putting in the coffee to give to Trump, but he seems to have been a strong dose of something - and a stern talking to -

Why am I getting an image of Toad of Toad Hall from 'wind in the willows' being berated by Badger Ratty and Mole?

Perhaps he will renege on everything he said pre election - him not being a politician.
We seem to be living in interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stu
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 05:29 AM

"Tell me again which "sides" supporters are rioting and resorting to violence?"

It was Trump telling people to march on Washington when he thought he was loosing. Now he whines that they are protesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:23 AM

There is a difference between protesting and rioting stu.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Stanron
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:32 AM

Rumncoke wrote: Perhaps he will renege on everything he said pre election - him not being a politician.

On another thread I tried to post that Trump used to be a Democrat. He was reported to have said that he would do better going for President as a Republican because "those people will believe anything". My point was that he may surprise some of you by implementing Democrat policies. Was I dreaming or did I hear on the news that he will not now get rid of Obamacare?

Incidentally a day after the election I posted the tablature to Nellie The Elephant on the Acoustic Guitar Forum. It's had over 100 views but no comments so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Rumncoke
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:14 PM

That is what is being reported, some aspects of Obamacare will be Trumpeted.

We used to dance the long Morris to 'Nellie the elephant' on a wind up gramophone in the playground, must be 60 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:47 PM

Was I dreaming or did I hear on the news that he will not now get rid of Obamacare?

There was no chance that Trunmp was ever going to be able to "get rid of" the Affordable Care Act. Just another one of his lies to energize the cockroaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 12:54 PM

"There is a difference between protesting and rioting stu."
Depends on which side you are on, I suppose.
Seem to remember he promised to jail Clinton - sounds like taking political prisoners to me.
This mademan has ticked every box as a fascist, so far.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 06:52 PM

I love that image of Ratty, Mole, and the Badger talking some sense into Toad.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 16 - 07:19 PM

It's very simple for the powers that be to turn a demonstration into a "riot," Pete. They just have to take lessons from the police behaviour at Orgreave. Nothing to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:27 AM

Hmmmm The latest photos I've seen of Trump appear to show him to be in shock. I have never seen more graphic pictures of fear on a face than, maybe, on a mugshot.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:51 AM

The latest photos I've seen of Trump appear to show him to be in shock.

I've not seen the photos, but, well, he wanted Brexit +++. That seems to be the standard response of the leaders to winning.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 03:56 AM

Latest Picture.......No Fear!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:10 PM

Yep- I've got it now: Mr. Trump is meek and afraid when he is in the presences of those he recognizes as his betters but hail, fellow, well met among those types he has always known.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 16 - 09:30 PM

December 19, baby! There is still hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 06:40 AM

"Latest Picture.......No Fear!"
Wonderful - perhaps they'll pass on their disease to the other and both die
Luvvly-jubbly

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 09:22 AM

" ....jail Clinton ..."    Yes, agreed he did say that .   Do you think he should follow through with that ?   Thought not !   On the one hand he is a liar, and the other intransigent ......fact is , you lot got it in for him whatever. And no I do not condone the stupid and immoral stuff he's said in the past. Neither do I condone those who have taken his win to be an excuse for their inherent racism being displayed. You don't like what he said he would do , but instead of being encouraged that he is open to discussion and adaption you paint him in the worst possible light , and prejudge his performance enforce he officially begins . Oh , and did I hear right that he won't be drawing the huge salary that goes with the job ?

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 09:44 AM

pete, you're getting increasingly irrational. On the one hand you say Trump is a proven serial liar and on the other you say we should believe what he says. What point, if any- are you trying to make.

(small)(p.s.-pete the piece of garbage is a billionaire. To him the President's salary is chump change. He probably spends more on toilet paper or hair cream.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:08 AM

Just to clarify ....on the one hand he will be CALLED a liar...    And whether we should believe what he says ( being as he is a politician as well as business man now!) was not the point I was making . He is showing distinct signs of being open to discussion as to how his pledges will be implemented, and willing to backtrack on policy accordingly. And to the shred it of Obama and Clinton they want to help make it work , as opposed to many here , and on the streets determined to oppose the new administration , by fair means or foul .

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:36 AM

No, pete, he is in fact a DOCUMENTED pathological serial liar of long standing. Fact.

And/or - was he lying then, or is he lying now?

It is the new admionistration that is foul and becomming more foul by the day as he adds white supremecists, racists & other undesirables to his inner circle of advisors & cabinet.

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:40 AM

Trump and hillary are fair game guys. Please don't beat up mudcat people. Ake, Pete everyone else here didn't make the mess. Americans did and will have to live with it

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

Dan, I'm not "beating up" on pete or Ake (if your comment was directed at me)- just pointing out their innacuracies and illogical statements.

And I sure as sh*t didn't make the Trumpist mess!!   ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 01:11 PM

Greg couldn't "beat" his way out of a wet paper bag! :0)

I'm much more frightened of old Danny Boy!!

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: olddude
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 01:52 PM

If Palin becomes sec of the interior, I wonder how long it will take for our national parks to be strip mines

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 02:46 PM

"He is showing distinct signs of being open to discussion as to how his pledges will be implemented,"
Are you seriously suggesting that those who voted for him are "open to discussion"?
He was elected on a ticket of evil and the voters bought it.
It's not Trump we have to be worried about - he will be controlled by those who control such things for their own interests.
The possibility is that the totally unprecedented protests turn into something -else - a fight between 'good and evil' perhaps?
Don't know how 'good' the protesters are, but Trump was elected on a t5icket of pure evil and the responses from LePen, The Klan, the European radical right - and our own Nigel Farage are proof enough, if any is needed.
A strange response here - "It's OK because he's not going to do what he promised to do"- you couldn't make it up!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Good luck USA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 16 - 02:57 PM

100!