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Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz

bunkerhill 11 Dec 99 - 11:03 AM
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Subject: Margarets Waltz
From: bunkerhill
Date: 11 Dec 99 - 11:03 AM

When I've heard "Margarets Waltz" played, it's been attributed to trad. But saw a reference somewhere that it was written not too long ago and that there are lyrics. Can anyone help?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margarets Waltz
From: Margo
Date: 11 Dec 99 - 01:04 PM

On Musicman's "Farewell" CD, He plays Margaret's waltz and says it's traditional.... Margo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margarets Waltz
From: Tony Burns
Date: 11 Dec 99 - 01:18 PM

I think Connie Kaldor wrote words to it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margarets Waltz
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Dec 99 - 01:22 PM

Margaret's Waltz was written by Patrick Shuldham Shaw, stalwart of the English Folk Dance and Song Society and prolific collector and composer. In the '60s, I would guess, though others will have more accurate information than I. Aly Bain did a lot to popularise the tune, recording it in 1989, and I suspect that most versions played nowadays are based on his playing rather than on the original piece. I'm not aware of any lyrics, but it wouldn't be too surprising if a number of people had tried their hands at making some; though they would have to be pretty good to do justice to that melody...

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margarets Waltz
From: Musicman
Date: 11 Dec 99 - 02:33 PM

Yes, I missed the correction on the album, it has been notated on the web page that it is not a traditional tune.....

Have never heard of any words for it though, but that dosn't mean much..... :)

great tune thought.....

musicman


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 12 May 18 - 06:00 PM

Pat Shaw wrote it to celebrate the retirement of Margaret from the EFDSS, knowing his habits, he probably composed a dance for it as well'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: JennieG
Date: 12 May 18 - 06:04 PM

Yes indeed - "Margaret's Waltz" is a very pretty dance.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 12 May 18 - 06:11 PM

Paul/Musicman can blame me for not being able to attribute the tune to Pat Shaw. I sent him the music from our session group and there is no information on our music page which is a copy of handwritten music and has Margaret's Waltz and Farewell to Devon on it. These two tunes have been a couple of favourites for our session group for over 20 years, maybe even 30 years.

I just found this:

Margaret’s Waltz and Farewell to Devon © Pat Shaw, 1959

So it appears that Pat Shaw also wrote Farewell to Devon.

Here it is played by Aly Bain and Peerie Willie Johnston

Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: JennieG
Date: 12 May 18 - 08:04 PM

Margaret's Waltz


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 12 May 18 - 10:00 PM

Hi JennieG,

Star of the County Down? :-)

Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 May 18 - 10:14 AM

I have heard it introduced by some German musicians as being Scottish, probably because they only knew Aly Bain's version, and certainly it is played a lot up here! I did tell them the true origin as politely as I could, as they had been trying to please us by playing something Scottish. Have never come across any lyrics for it, and as Malcolm Douglas said way back, would perhaps resist any temptation to try, as the tune speaks for itself.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: JennieG
Date: 13 May 18 - 04:42 PM

Helen - I know that not 'the' correct tune, but it is the dance! The versions I found with the correct tune were either badly danced, badly filmed or badly played.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 14 May 18 - 04:46 AM

Hi JennieG, I'm not a dancer so all I was doing was listening to was the tune.

Are you just trying to confuse me?? LOL

It's not the tune but it is the dance. Take pity on a poor non-dancer, please!!

Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 May 18 - 07:08 AM

The Yetties play Farewell to Devon and Margaret's Waltz (in that order) as a set on their 1989 Album Play It Again. The composer credit is "Shaw".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: OldNicKilby
Date: 14 May 18 - 10:31 AM

*I am sure that I heard it played on the Rathouse Carilon in Koln around 1995 as I had my Concertina with me and played the tune


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Johnny J
Date: 14 May 18 - 04:15 PM

There have been lyrics written to Midnight on the water. This tune is often played alongside Margaret's Waltzi


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: JennieG
Date: 14 May 18 - 04:43 PM

Back in my dancing days the tunes used most for the dance were 'Margaret's Waltz' and 'Farewell to Devon'. Occasionally a band would throw in something different, but it's been so long I can't remember what those different tunes were.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 May 18 - 05:36 PM

The song "Midnight on the Water" was written by Ron Kavana, and has a different tune from the "Midnight on the Water" Thomasson waltz, which is, however, used as an instrumental break between verses. Also sung by The Watersons and others (including me!)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: RunrigFan
Date: 14 May 18 - 08:03 PM

https://www.macjams.com/song/40746

I'm not the kind to sit and pine for places far away

Every town I travel to has its charm and its delight

But something about the moon tonight sent a longing to my soul

To be at a dance with the one I love on a warm prairie night



And I can hear that Margaret's waltz

That fiddle play so sweet

And I can feel the spring of the hardwood floor

Beneath my feet



I close my eyes and I see the lights of town

Twinkling at night

They say that home is where your heart is

I guess they're right



So please forgive me but tonight my thoughts are far away

To the place my memory will go If I give it half a chance

I smell the sage upon the air and I'm walking arm in arm

With the one I love towards the sound of an old time country dance



And I can hear that Margaret's waltz

That fiddle play so sweet

And I can feel the spring of the hardwood floor

Beneath my feet



I close my eyes and I see the lights of town

Twinkling at night

They say that home is where your heart is

I guess they're right


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: gillymor
Date: 14 May 18 - 08:31 PM

Someone wrote words to the Thomason tune MotW. The writer's name escapes me.

Kate Wolf


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:06 AM

Danced it two weeks ago.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:59 PM

The lyrics version of Midnight on the Water is performed by The Watersons , and the songwriter is Benny Thomasson

Go to 57 mins 15 into that video of a live performance.

(I might have to write a sad lament to the poor broken Google-finger belonging to Gillymor. :-D )


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 16 May 18 - 05:03 PM

Correction, Norma Waterson, Martin Carthy & Chris Patterson live in concert.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 18 - 06:10 PM

Carthy, Waterson and Parkinson play the Luke Thomasson (Benny's father) melody as an intro to the song you linked, Helen, but don't use it for the song that follows. The words for the Thomasson MotW I linked above, sung by the late Kate Wolf were written by John Croizat, probably long after Luke wrote the melody. But don't fret, I'm sending you a splint for your dislocated google finger via next day air and I'll try to make time in my schedule to tutor you on the intricacies of www search engines. (insert smiley face)

Respectfully, (g)illymor


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 16 May 18 - 06:23 PM

Sorry folks/Helen, but as I stated higher up the thread the LYRIC writer for Midnight on the Water, as sung by the Watersons is RON KAVANA: he probably also wrote the tune for the verses, which is not the saem as the original tune.
The tunewriter of the original MoTW tune is Luke Thomasson.
(And it has all been debated at length before:
see: Midnight on the Water - previous thread )


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 17 May 18 - 04:37 PM

It's all too confusing. Especially as this is a thread about Margaret's Waltz. LOL

We just play the MoyW tune in our session group. We don't muck about with words much, which is why our group is known as Mainly Tunes.

gillymor, my Google finger only works when it wants to. We're strongly unionised over here, so it works to rules, only as and when it feels like it. :-D

Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 17 May 18 - 05:28 PM

The thread is drifting on the water at midnight, Helen. LOL also!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 17 May 18 - 05:49 PM

Yes, definitely drifting. Lost at sea, I think.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: gillymor
Date: 17 May 18 - 06:01 PM

I can't stay mad at a union maid, all is forgiven, old chum.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Margaret's Waltz
From: Helen
Date: 17 May 18 - 07:09 PM

Strawbs - Part of the union


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