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Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)

Joe Offer 15 Jan 17 - 11:48 PM
Joe Offer 15 Jan 17 - 11:51 PM
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skarpi 16 Jan 17 - 03:03 PM
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Subject: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 11:48 PM

I got an email request that might be interesting to explore:

    Hi, I don't know if you are interested but I was mooching through random youtube music and I came across: Valravn – Krummi. I know it's not the same but the general flow and tone really reminds me of Ray Driscolls' The Wild, Wild Berry. Is it possible that the odd version he found in Shropshire was actually a tune picked up from the Vikings/Norse area of things? I'm no expert but I thought I'd put my hand up.
    Gem


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 11:51 PM

So, as far as I can tell, Krummi is an Icelandic song by the group Valravn. Here are the original lyrics:

Krummi svaf i klettagjá,
kaldri vetrarnóttu á
:verður margt að meini:

Fyrr en dagur fragur rann,
freðið nefið dregur hann,
:undan stórum steini:

Hammm Hammm

Á sér krummi ýfði stél
Einnig brýndi gogginn vel
:flaug úr fjalla gjótum:

Lítur yfir byggð og bú
Á bæjum fyrr en vaknir hjú
:veifar vængjum skjótum:

Hammm Hammm

Sálaður á síðu lá
sauður feitur garði hjá
:fyrrum frár á velli:

Krúnk krúnk nafnar komið hér
Krúnk krúnk því oss boðin er
:Krás á köldum svelli:

Hammm Hammm

Source: http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Valravn:Krummi



Here's a translation:

Raven

The raven sleeps on rocky cliffs
On a cold winters night
Many things will hurt him
Many things will hurt him

Before the fair day runs out
He pulls the frostbitten nose
from under a big stone
from under a big stone

Ham Ham?

The raven stiffened his tail
Sharpened his beak as well
Flew from the mountain cracks
Flew from the mountain cracks

He looks over the homes and villages
Before they awaken
He flutters his wings
He flutters his wings

Ham Ham

He lays finished on the plain
A well-fed sheep in a garden close by
Once he was faster
Once he was faster

Craw Craw, namesakes come along!
Craw Craw, there is an offer for
a feast on a cold ground
a feast on a cold ground

Source: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/krummi-raven.html

And here's a YouTube video of Valravn performing the song:


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jan 17 - 11:54 PM

Here's the thread on the Wild Berry. I think of "Wild Berry" as a version of "Lord Randall," and I don't see a connection with the Icelandic song. Can somebody enlighten me?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: skarpi
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:03 PM

Dear Joe , I did listen to the Wild Berry in version of Lord Randall , and I can sing Krummi ...along with it but only with the drums ,
also Krummi svaf í klettagjá ...is only in Em and Am ...but we did a version of it only in Em .Mostly this song is in ( Fimmundarsinging ) .Please listen to this ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4seuBFxIM



https://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummi_svaf_%C3%AD_klettagj%C3%A1


All the best Skarpi Iceland .


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: skarpi
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 03:17 PM

Sorry , I did not get the Blue clicking right ,

but I forgot , the question about the Viking link ...well Krummi is made in early 1800 hundred by this man   , Jón Thoroddsen (5. október 1818 eða 1819 – 8. mars 1868

this is a Icelandic folk song ...but the Lord version linked to the Viking ´s age of music I can´t say , the Viking´s who came here from Norway had with them Istrument´s drums and flute´s but I am not sure about the Icelandic LANGASPIL Istrument when that came forward .

the Song KRUMMI SVAF Í KLETTAGJÁ is great in a version , mixed with drums and ( Fimmundarsinging ) ...with out string instrument s ..

but that´s me all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:02 PM

To me the tune is more similar to "Graysteil", the lute tune from the 17th century which may just possibly be the tune for the mediaeval Scottish epic of that name (I suspect it isn't). Though the Icelandic song is MUCH faster.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Krummi (by the group Valravn)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jan 17 - 04:51 PM

Another tune that sounds rather like it (though it's swung into triple time), Zulfu Livaneli's setting of Lorca's "Cordoba":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrw0cABDPUo

Which is presumably fluke. Tunes with that sort of simple arch-form/pentachordal structure can pop up anywhere.


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