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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: FreddyHeadey Date: 08 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM Greg F. - PM Date: 08 Feb 17 - Nor were any of the home-grown U.S. "non-Muslim" terrorist incidents..... Twice as many(48) killed by non Muslims (I can't copy paste from this) more https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM A list of alt facts is too polite. A list of outright lies is ironically being called for by the people, judiciary, NSA, CIA and the media. This is desperately needed. Some of he lies were born from stupidity and some are intentional with an agenda. They are both dangerous and require an antitoxin. The list can not be a series of websites that will disappear one day. Assembling such a list requires attribution of course but when it comes to leaks the proof is challenging. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 09 Feb 17 - 10:55 AM Today old fartface is whining about how is daughter is being treated by some company, and used the POTUS account to retweet his ravings on the subject. Such a classy act. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:05 AM Meanwhile, the Tribes in North Dakota are to be treated as they always have by white America, the US military and the US government and are now going to have the pipeline they don't want built on land stolen from them in 1868 that also contains Sioux burial sites. It will affect their immediate environment including their water. Trump of course, couldn't give a flying fuck for the Tribes, continuing a long tradition of white men treating the people who actually live a land they've arrived with contempt. The irony is of course people like Trump and his followers are so far less sophisticated culturally, philosophically and environmentally than the people he oppresses it's beyond words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 17 - 03:57 PM you want alt facts/ OK Trump issues Presidential order that all citizens must wear Trump Inc official outfits to indicate loyalty. Those who betray this order are subject to deportation to Bangladesh Trump clothing factories. (don't worry there are official jeans and Trump shirts.) For the little ones there are ties that reach the floor, so cute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 09 Feb 17 - 06:47 PM True enough, Donuel- Kellyanne Conway is running commercials for Ivanka's made-in-China crap from the White House! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Teribus Date: 10 Feb 17 - 05:07 AM Stu - 09 Feb 17 - 11:05 AM "Meanwhile, the Tribes in North Dakota are to be treated as they always have by white America, the US military and the US government and are now going to have the pipeline they don't want built on land stolen from them in 1868 that also contains Sioux burial sites. It will affect their immediate environment including their water." Taking into account that the requirement for this pipeline and the decision to go ahead with it started in 2014, i.e. on Barack Obama's watch (The pipeline is 87% complete at the moment), it is a bit rich to lay all of this off on Donald Trump. Iowa State requirement was that those building the pipeline had to get voluntary "easements" (Access to construct, maintain, repair) covering 75% of the route, they got 82% voluntary agreements and have negotiated further "easement" agreements covering 99% of the route. The USACE were asked to produce an Environmental Impact Statement of river crossings and portions of the project related to specific permits, and issued a finding of no significant impact. Tell me Stu how will this pipeline affect the immediate environment and water? The UK and Europe are crisscrossed with literally hundreds of pipelines carrying oil and gas what has been their effect on our immediate environment and water? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Iains Date: 10 Feb 17 - 07:00 AM Crude has to move around America.With the number of refineries decreasing, and capacity concentrating in fewer places, crude usually has to be moved some distance. There are four ways to move it over long distances: by pipeline, by boat, by truck, or by rail. Each has its unique problems and none is without harm. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-crude-pipeline-rail-truck-or-boat/#257f69805777 |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:45 AM Indeed. Ever since Hump's election crude HAS been moving around America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:18 AM "Tell me Stu how will this pipeline affect the immediate environment and water?" No I won't, because that's a distraction from the point of my post, which you know full well T. I used the case of the Keystone line as an example of Trump's intentions and attitude, not to start a debate on the transport of crude across the states. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Teribus Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:29 AM Trump has been in office for just over 100 days. The Keystone pipeline project has been ongoing for almost three years and is 87% complete - As you seem awfully reluctant to answer questions on points that you include in your attempts to show Trump in as poor a light as possible - Can you explain why Barack Obama gets a free pass on almost three years minus 100 days, yet the whole thing can be dumped on a man who has just been elected. By the way you do not have to answer my previous question - There is no immediate threat to the environment or to any water course or source. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:55 AM Whether Obama started it or not is irrelevant in this context, which is how Trump is dealing with the construction of the pipeline. As for environmental impact, getting into a circular, endless argument with you is sooooo tempting, but utterly pointless of course. "your attempts to show Trump in as poor a light as possible" Just trying to shed a little light into the shallow but impenetrably dark abyss that is the orange one's mind to try to understand motivation in this case. But we know the motivation. Sub-President Trump is an uber-capitalist and climate denier, although unlike many climate/science deniers I think his reasons for denial are different... he's just not a very thoughtful individual and I suspect he could be persuaded if you pry the bile volcano that is President Bannon from his earlobe for a few moments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: saulgoldie Date: 10 Feb 17 - 12:51 PM Jack, There are at least two songs that I found on Youtube. And...there is a book! Perhaps it will be made into a movie? And a board game, maybe? Oh the possibilities! Would anyone recognize the reference: "MXYZPTLK"?? Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 17 - 01:33 PM Can you explain why Barack Obama gets a free pass on almost three years minus 100 days... Sure can! He doesn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Feb 17 - 01:58 PM "Trump has been in office for just over 100 days." Trump has been in office for 22 days. Still, this is an alternative facts thread. I'm the Queen of Sheba and there are fairies at the bottom of my garden. There, two more alternative facts. Any more for any more? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 17 - 02:31 PM There AREN'T fairies at the bottom of your garden? BUMMER!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 17 - 02:33 PM Trump has been in office for 22 days. Curious, that. It already seems like years..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Bill D Date: 11 Feb 17 - 11:42 AM Fairies live at the TOPS of gardens... everyone knows that! That's so they can keep track of the trolls who live at the bottom.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 11 Feb 17 - 12:09 PM OK, Bill - I stand corrected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 17 - 02:27 PM Just when the most important acts of treason regarding removal of Russian sanctions are coming to light, severe Trump fatigue is setting in. His defense of fake news and Flynn's failing memory may be enough for the Attorney General Jeffery Beauregard 'Stonewall" Sessions to allow special dispensation to Donald the John Trump. The fake news media are the enemy incapable of reviewing The administration, The courts are the enemy who may not review special presidential orders and the legislature will either hang together or separately. This means there is the same chance he will get away with it as he had of winning the election. Poor Putin, it looks like his helpful idiot was not helpful and too much the idiot. We know the motive, we know the actors, we know the weapons but we do not know how the pie was to be split. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 11 Feb 17 - 05:20 PM That's more appropriately Nathan Bedford Sessions, Donuel. Stonewall was a religious nutter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 12 Feb 17 - 08:07 PM Thanks Greg, I was just going for alliteration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 13 Feb 17 - 10:48 AM All of Tromp's most fantastic lie come from Alex Jones Infowars and Bannon's Brietbart. I should write How To Be President for DUMMIES. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 13 Feb 17 - 12:35 PM Wow. Intelligence is being withheld from the President of the USA because his own intelligence services don't trust him. From The Independent (can't make the clicky work): "An NSA official told the New York Observer it was holding back some of the "good stuff" from the White House, while one Pentagon worker said: "There's not much the Russians don't know at this point. Since January 20, we've assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the [situation room]." Lumee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Greg F. Date: 13 Feb 17 - 04:27 PM Well as Rocky the Flying Squirrel was wont to remind us: military intelligence is a contradiction in terms". Apparently, now, Presidential intelligence is worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Feb 17 - 04:39 PM "Mummy! Mummy! When I grow up I want to be President!" "Don't be silly, dear, you can't do both!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Mr Red Date: 13 Feb 17 - 05:45 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 14 Feb 17 - 04:36 AM Oh dear. So now Mike Flynn is on his bike because he was chatting up the Russians and then lied in an attempt to cover it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 14 Feb 17 - 10:02 AM Meanwhile, on this side of the puddle the execrable Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPS turns out to have lied about loosing "close personal friends" at the Hillsborough disaster, which is pretty low by any account. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: EBarnacle Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:05 PM The Tin hat brigade is out in force. A friend who is a Trump bekiver sent me this. http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/02/clif-high-fukushima-flat-earth-hollow-moon-space-ships-antartica-fallen-angels-gia By the way, I believe it was James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the interior, who famously accused trees of polluting. He also said "If you've seen one tree, you've seen the all." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Feb 17 - 08:48 PM Mike Flynn is just the first wheel to fall off of Trump's clown car. Riddle me this: Flynn, like him or not, had the qualifications and experience to do the job he was chosen for. He knew how things were supposed to be done, and he did otherwise. He knew the rules, and he ignored them. If he could screw up so badly, how do Trump's inexperienced, amateur-hour appointees have any hope of staying out of very hot water. None of them seem to have any interest in learning from more experienced people in their fields. They don't seem to know how to ask any of the lawyers on the White House legal staff if what they're planning on doing or saying passes legal muster. Hell, they don't even know how to use the spell-check software on their computers. (Hint: look for words underlined in red!) So, who's taking bets on who the next wheel to fall off of Trump's clown car is going to be? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:13 PM I dunno but this just in If you are certified crazy, not just certifiable, but full goose bonkers nuts, you may once again buy a shiny new gun. Senate Republicans just voted to let you and their base to buy guns without mental disability restrictions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:29 PM Paul Manafort was already thrown from the clown car. Another scape goat could be Miller but we all know where the buck stops. Trumps son in-law is in it up to his lips but would be the last to fall off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Feb 17 - 01:40 AM To hell with all those Alternative Facts. The truth is, comedy is really rich in this Age of Trump. Take a look at "Conway" from Saturday Night Live: And there's more from Vladimir Putin: Don't forget Press Secretary Sean Spicer: And of course, there's The Donald: ...and the "Grab The P*ssy" episode: |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:41 AM That's funny national medicine Joe We are lucky to have satire alive and well. SA, Iran and Egypt arrest their comics. We are about to enter the paranoid Stalin Trump age as Donald/Bannon starts the purge of intelligence agencies that he believes leaked his Russian indiscretions. Here comes 'yur fired' catch phrase again. Trump wants to fire/arrest the 'policemen'. He can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:04 AM Gosh Don, I never ever thought I would hear YOU standing up for the discredited intelligence agencies........how soon we forget :0( |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 07:42 AM Ya can't get into bed with the the devil ONE time |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:06 AM We are not "lucky" to have our satire alive and well. It's our inviolable right and it's a rock-solid essential in any country calling itself a democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 09:56 AM Ake, dictators makes strange bed fellows of us all. I would not have believed that John McCain stands between our democratically elected Republic and a white Nationalist cadre with cowardly Republicans risking treason to keep their seat. Of course McCain has a spine now that he has nothing to lose since he isn't running again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:28 AM In America the program description for The Simpsons is "A subversive cartoon show". Do you get Archer or South Park in the UK? Despite our 1st amendment we still have waves of censorship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 10:47 AM Hair Farce One has provided us with the latest (as far as I know) Alternative Fact. He blamed "fake news" for Flynn's departure when he was the one who claimed credit for firing him on the basis of, we must conclude, "fake news". His "review" of intelligence agencies is an obvious diversion, he's got to be scared about what's going to come out in the Flynn investigation, regarding not just Flynn's phone call and subsequent lies about it but his own organization's involvement with the Russian government. I have no doubt he was encouraging Flynn to reassure his Russian buddies in the wake of the Obama-imposed sanctions, a violation of the Logan Act. The old flimflam man has taken on a scam that's way beyond his abilities. He's still running in campaign mode where all he had to do was bamboozle white rednecks and some extreme conservatives, now he's got to deal with the majority of the electorate, congress, the judiciary and the rest of the government. As far as the next to exit the clown car goes, when Trump's numbers really begin to slide it'll be Bannon because he doesn't need a racist bomb-thrower at this stage as he's already won the electoral college and perhaps preceding him will be Priebus as this administration is an unholy mess. He needs a respected, experienced political operative as chief of staff to clean things up but what decent human being with those qualifications would have any thing to do with him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:02 AM I know you all hate Donal- John due to his stance on social issues, but really and truly do ANY of you trust the US Intelligence Services? Do you really believe them? After Bush and Iraq? after Clinton and Libya? After "weapons of mass destruction"? For f**k sake these people made you complicit in three wars...and you believe what they say about a sworn enemy. Détente between Russia an the US is not just mutually beneficial.....its an absolute necessity |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:07 AM There is no comparison between Bush and the immoral/illegal Iraq war and the events that happened at Bengazi. But there is no convincing you of that, no matter how many facts are put forward. The fact that Trump now wants to put a billionaire buddy of Bannon's in an oversight position should terrify most Americans. What it does to you is your own business, but I suspect many in the UK dread that possible scenario. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:10 AM "He's still running in campaign mode where all he had to do was bamboozle white rednecks and some extreme conservatives" Howzatt for an alternative fact :0) Not to mention racist...aren't there any black rednecks, I'm sure I saw quite a few at his rallies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM Maybe you need to adjust the contrast on your TV, ake, still though it it's good to get the so called "socialist" viewpoint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:43 AM The "rednecks" you talk about and who affected the result were almost all working class Americans..... EX-Democrats I believe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Iains Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:44 AM Those that did not support Trump must find the continuing attempts to tear down his administration quite amusing. But if these attempts are put in place so swiftly the question must be asked: Who or what are the organisations orchestrating these non stop attempts. No matter how much you may disagree with how the vote worked out, the fact remains that under US law Trump won the election. What is the health of a democracy when internal forces are trying to subvert it? If these attempts succeed democracy will have been usurped by deep state and NGOs and ever after the Presidency will a false construct inhabited by a puppet. Is that really the America you want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: gillymor Date: 16 Feb 17 - 11:54 AM Here's the O.P. of this thread: "I thought it might be an idea for us to record the "Alternative Truths" that is coming out of the Trump camp as in years to come this might make for interesting reading. Seeing as the many eyes of Catters are better than just the one pair of eyes, here's the thread. Post links where possible for future researchers to follow. Finally, if you want to quibble about the veracity of these truths all well and good, just go and do it on a dedicated thread please. We're recording them for posterity." So out of deference to the originator of this thread, grow a pair and start your own thread defending Twitler. (like that'll happen) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: akenaton Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:00 PM Acme, I'm not talking about Benghazi, I'm talking about US intervention to remove Gaddafi....Clinton and the security services pushed President Obama into that quagmire. If these Intelligence Services had been for real they would have realised what the removal of Gaddafi would mean. I knew and I'm only a "Scottish Trump apologist, who knows F all about US politics"..... In fact I think everyone should just pretend that I'm not here! :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread From: Stu Date: 16 Feb 17 - 12:08 PM "What is the health of a democracy when internal forces are trying to subvert it?" Democracy is always being subverted, look at the lobbying of our own MPs. When I wrote to my MP asking how I should go about lobbying him he sent a standard reply (he is a tory yes-man though) and so I'm guessing us little people don't get to lobby. Go to Bilderberg though and you're subverting democracy with the best of them, as capitalism subverts democracy all the time but few give a shit about that meeting of the actual global elite. The Lords is packed with party donors; Cameron shoehorned in a whole slew of the buggers. In the US something odd is going on, but whereas Trump et al have been toadying up to a country with thousands of nukes pointed towards them (Putin has his eye on the oil pipeline running through the Ukraine), it was the FBI who sat on the knowledge Trump was possibly committing treason whilst scuppering Clinton's campaign because she used a private email server, which is obviously worse than getting your yah-yahs at Russian expense watching the Golden Shower Show. |
