BS: The Alternative Facts Thread

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:13 PM

I dunno but this just in

If you are certified crazy, not just certifiable, but full goose bonkers nuts, you may once again buy a shiny new gun.

Senate Republicans just voted to let you and their base to buy guns without mental disability restrictions.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 08:48 PM

Mike Flynn is just the first wheel to fall off of Trump's clown car.

Riddle me this: Flynn, like him or not, had the qualifications and experience to do the job he was chosen for. He knew how things were supposed to be done, and he did otherwise. He knew the rules, and he ignored them.

If he could screw up so badly, how do Trump's inexperienced, amateur-hour appointees have any hope of staying out of very hot water. None of them seem to have any interest in learning from more experienced people in their fields. They don't seem to know how to ask any of the lawyers on the White House legal staff if what they're planning on doing or saying passes legal muster. Hell, they don't even know how to use the spell-check software on their computers. (Hint: look for words underlined in red!)

So, who's taking bets on who the next wheel to fall off of Trump's clown car is going to be?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:05 PM

The Tin hat brigade is out in force. A friend who is a Trump bekiver sent me this.


http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/02/clif-high-fukushima-flat-earth-hollow-moon-space-ships-antartica-fallen-angels-gia

By the way, I believe it was James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the interior, who famously accused trees of polluting. He also said "If you've seen one tree, you've seen the all."

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 10:02 AM

Meanwhile, on this side of the puddle the execrable Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPS turns out to have lied about loosing "close personal friends" at the Hillsborough disaster, which is pretty low by any account.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 04:36 AM

Oh dear. So now Mike Flynn is on his bike because he was chatting up the Russians and then lied in an attempt to cover it up.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 05:45 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 04:39 PM

"Mummy! Mummy! When I grow up I want to be President!"


"Don't be silly, dear, you can't do both!"

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 04:27 PM

Well as Rocky the Flying Squirrel was wont to remind us: military intelligence is a contradiction in terms".

Apparently, now, Presidential intelligence is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 12:35 PM

Wow. Intelligence is being withheld from the President of the USA because his own intelligence services don't trust him. From The Independent (can't make the clicky work):

"An NSA official told the New York Observer it was holding back some of the "good stuff" from the White House, while one Pentagon worker said: "There's not much the Russians don't know at this point. Since January 20, we've assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the [situation room]."


Lumee.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 10:48 AM

All of Tromp's most fantastic lie come from Alex Jones Infowars and Bannon's Brietbart.

I should write How To Be President for DUMMIES.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 08:07 PM

Thanks Greg, I was just going for alliteration.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 05:20 PM

That's more appropriately Nathan Bedford Sessions, Donuel. Stonewall was a religious nutter.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 02:27 PM

Just when the most important acts of treason regarding removal of Russian sanctions are coming to light, severe Trump fatigue is setting in. His defense of fake news and Flynn's failing memory may be enough for the Attorney General Jeffery Beauregard 'Stonewall" Sessions to allow special dispensation to Donald the John Trump.

The fake news media are the enemy incapable of reviewing The administration, The courts are the enemy who may not review special presidential orders and the legislature will either hang together or separately.

This means there is the same chance he will get away with it as he had of winning the election.

Poor Putin, it looks like his helpful idiot was not helpful and too much the idiot.


We know the motive, we know the actors, we know the weapons but we do not know how the pie was to be split.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 12:09 PM

OK, Bill - I stand corrected.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Feb 17 - 11:42 AM

Fairies live at the TOPS of gardens... everyone knows that! That's so they can keep track of the trolls who live at the bottom....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 02:33 PM

Trump has been in office for 22 days.

Curious, that. It already seems like years.....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 02:31 PM

There AREN'T fairies at the bottom of your garden? BUMMER!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 01:58 PM

"Trump has been in office for just over 100 days."

Trump has been in office for 22 days. Still, this is an alternative facts thread. I'm the Queen of Sheba and there are fairies at the bottom of my garden. There, two more alternative facts. Any more for any more?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 01:33 PM

Can you explain why Barack Obama gets a free pass on almost three years minus 100 days...

Sure can! He doesn't.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: saulgoldie
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 12:51 PM

Jack, There are at least two songs that I found on Youtube. And...there is a book! Perhaps it will be made into a movie? And a board game, maybe? Oh the possibilities!

Would anyone recognize the reference: "MXYZPTLK"??

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:55 AM

Whether Obama started it or not is irrelevant in this context, which is how Trump is dealing with the construction of the pipeline. As for environmental impact, getting into a circular, endless argument with you is sooooo tempting, but utterly pointless of course.

"your attempts to show Trump in as poor a light as possible"

Just trying to shed a little light into the shallow but impenetrably dark abyss that is the orange one's mind to try to understand motivation in this case.

But we know the motivation. Sub-President Trump is an uber-capitalist and climate denier, although unlike many climate/science deniers I think his reasons for denial are different... he's just not a very thoughtful individual and I suspect he could be persuaded if you pry the bile volcano that is President Bannon from his earlobe for a few moments.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:29 AM

Trump has been in office for just over 100 days. The Keystone pipeline project has been ongoing for almost three years and is 87% complete - As you seem awfully reluctant to answer questions on points that you include in your attempts to show Trump in as poor a light as possible - Can you explain why Barack Obama gets a free pass on almost three years minus 100 days, yet the whole thing can be dumped on a man who has just been elected.

By the way you do not have to answer my previous question - There is no immediate threat to the environment or to any water course or source.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 09:18 AM

"Tell me Stu how will this pipeline affect the immediate environment and water?"

No I won't, because that's a distraction from the point of my post, which you know full well T. I used the case of the Keystone line as an example of Trump's intentions and attitude, not to start a debate on the transport of crude across the states.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 08:45 AM

Indeed. Ever since Hump's election crude HAS been moving around America.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Iains
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 07:00 AM

Crude has to move around America.With the number of refineries decreasing, and capacity concentrating in fewer places, crude usually has to be moved some distance. There are four ways to move it over long distances: by pipeline, by boat, by truck, or by rail. Each has its unique problems and none is without harm.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-crude-pipeline-rail-truck-or-boat/#257f69805777

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Feb 17 - 05:07 AM

Stu - 09 Feb 17 - 11:05 AM

"Meanwhile, the Tribes in North Dakota are to be treated as they always have by white America, the US military and the US government and are now going to have the pipeline they don't want built on land stolen from them in 1868 that also contains Sioux burial sites. It will affect their immediate environment including their water."

Taking into account that the requirement for this pipeline and the decision to go ahead with it started in 2014, i.e. on Barack Obama's watch (The pipeline is 87% complete at the moment), it is a bit rich to lay all of this off on Donald Trump. Iowa State requirement was that those building the pipeline had to get voluntary "easements" (Access to construct, maintain, repair) covering 75% of the route, they got 82% voluntary agreements and have negotiated further "easement" agreements covering 99% of the route. The USACE were asked to produce an Environmental Impact Statement of river crossings and portions of the project related to specific permits, and issued a finding of no significant impact.

Tell me Stu how will this pipeline affect the immediate environment and water? The UK and Europe are crisscrossed with literally hundreds of pipelines carrying oil and gas what has been their effect on our immediate environment and water?

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 06:47 PM

True enough, Donuel- Kellyanne Conway is running commercials for Ivanka's made-in-China crap from the White House!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 03:57 PM

you want alt facts/ OK

Trump issues Presidential order that all citizens must wear Trump Inc official outfits to indicate loyalty. Those who betray this order are subject to deportation to Bangladesh Trump clothing factories.

(don't worry there are official jeans and Trump shirts.)

For the little ones there are ties that reach the floor, so cute.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 11:05 AM

Meanwhile, the Tribes in North Dakota are to be treated as they always have by white America, the US military and the US government and are now going to have the pipeline they don't want built on land stolen from them in 1868 that also contains Sioux burial sites. It will affect their immediate environment including their water.

Trump of course, couldn't give a flying fuck for the Tribes, continuing a long tradition of white men treating the people who actually live a land they've arrived with contempt. The irony is of course people like Trump and his followers are so far less sophisticated culturally, philosophically and environmentally than the people he oppresses it's beyond words.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 10:55 AM

Today old fartface is whining about how is daughter is being treated by some company, and used the POTUS account to retweet his ravings on the subject. Such a classy act.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 17 - 07:18 AM

A list of alt facts is too polite. A list of outright lies is ironically being called for by the people, judiciary, NSA, CIA and the media.

This is desperately needed. Some of he lies were born from stupidity and some are intentional with an agenda. They are both dangerous and require an antitoxin.

The list can not be a series of websites that will disappear one day.
Assembling such a list requires attribution of course but when it comes to leaks the proof is challenging.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM


Greg F. - PM
Date: 08 Feb 17 -
Nor were any of the home-grown U.S. "non-Muslim" terrorist incidents.....

Twice as many(48) killed by non Muslims

(I can't copy paste from this)
more
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 03:54 PM

So it is a very, very selective list.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 03:44 PM

Nor were any of the home-grown U.S. "non-Muslim" terrorist incidents.....

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:54 PM

Re: Trump's list of "under-reported" terrorist incidents, just realised that the murder of Jo Cox isn't on there. Maybe because it was so under-reported that Trump hadn't heard of it, or maybe because it doesn't fit with a certain narrative.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:38 PM

Jim, you do realise that the Minister of State for Universities and Science is in fact Boris Johnson's little brother.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 02:03 PM

Stu, there are hundreds of alt facts , actions and sentiments.
You have valuable work cut out for posterity's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:52 PM

Resorting to typos are a sign that whoever you are arguing with is running out of arguments - I have a regular adversary who resorts to that particular one.
Take it as a sign you are making headway.
Of course spelling is important, but I hear that texting in that mindless non-language has probably destroyed it utterly for the next generation and it has floated down the same channel as Estuary English with its ugly glottal stops and missing word endings.
Lord Reith must be clawing his way out of his grave
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 01:06 PM

Maybe the bad spelling is intentional, Stu. Perhaps we will see more of it leading to Newspeak? :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 11:04 AM

A few times in the past I've seen these comments about spelling and how the people that pull others up on it are snivelling pedants, nit-pickers or, now, "left-wing libtards". This is why those people are wrong.

Spelling is about language, and language is culture. Our cultures, from local to national to global are defined by our languages, of which there are about 6,900 currently spoken in the world, with some on the edge of extinction. Loose your language and you loose your culture, end of. Similarly, how we care and use our languages reflects how we care for our cultures, how we propagate and maintain the core aspects of culture in the myriad of ways we use language; naming, describing, remembering, creating and so on. Language is precious, unique and worth defending whilst you have the life in you to form a thought or utter a word.

We all make mistakes, and my spelling is bloody awful. However, when our greatest institutions cannot even be bothered to get the spelling correct on media being distributed around the world, then there is a real problem. Because they don't care about the simplest of things about the language, and they don't give a toss about their culture. Let it go, and the cultures we purport to care for so much is on the slide. More.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:54 AM

More on Ms. DeVos- she doesn't have to burn 'em down, Jim - sust starve 'em to death.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/opinion/betsy-devos-teaches-the-value-of-ignorance.html

Betsy DeVos Teaches the Value of Ignorance

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD   FEB. 7, 2017


"Government really sucks." This belief, expressed by the just-confirmed education secretary, Betsy DeVos, in a 2015 speech to educators, may be the only qualification she needed for President Trump.

Ms. DeVos is the perfect cabinet member for a president determined to appoint officials eager to destroy the agencies they run and weigh the fate of policies and programs based on ideological considerations.

She has never run, taught in, attended or sent a child to an American public school, and her confirmation hearings laid bare her ignorance of education policy and scorn for public education itself.

She indicated that she was skeptical of Education Department policies to prevent fraud by for-profit colleges — a position favored, no doubt, by Mr. Trump, who just settled a fraud case against his so-called Trump University for $25 million.

-continued-

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:35 AM

Keep her, Jim, we are overloaded with racist creeps here who have crawled out from under their rocks with the ascension of Herr Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:25 AM

"They now have the head torch bearer of that mob in place."
I read that
We're waiting to have Boris Johnson appointed Secretary for Education!!
Your gun laws never cease to impress me.
We have one of your countrywomen - journalist, Mary Ellen Synon, living in the next county, who, following the deliberate execution of a Traveller by an irate farmer (who got off scott free), declared that it was the patriotic duty of all rural Irish families to arm themselves as a protection from trespassers.
Ms Synon distinguished herself some years earlier by describing our Paralympics as "perverse and grotesque".
Any chance you'll take her back - I'm sure she'll find a place in New America
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 09:02 AM

Jim:"Maybe Trump's next step should be to set his mob burning down the schools"

They now have the head torch bearer of that mob in place. Herr Trump managed, just barely, to get one of the least qualified cabinet appointees in recent memory confirmed yesterday in Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education.
It's not all bad news for the public schools though, Ms. DeVos wants to allow children to carry firearms to school for protection against Grizzly bears.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Stu
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:54 AM

"who are the only people who think spelling is important"

Nope.

"libtard?" Thanks mate.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:34 AM

Ya gots to remember: Pres. Hump "love[s] the poorly educated" - actual quote!

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:20 AM

"who are the only people who think spelling is important."
Really?
Maybe Trump's next step should be to set his mob burning down the schools
The greatest asset of any society is it's literacy - it helps us communicate and express ourselves to others articulately.
I'm rather proud to learn it's a phenomenon of The Left
I do like the use of the term "underlings" - an aspect ot Trumps rule we are yet to discover, it would appear
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:03 AM

Note the spelling is the White House's original. Amazing.

Yes, that's because spell-check software is not allowed on White House computers. Poor spelling is another way to piss off left-wing libtards, who are the only people who think spelling is important.

It's also a way of handicapping underlings who may be able to actually construct real sentences. It wouldn't do for them to show up their boss, who can't put together a simple declarative sentence without wandering off into some non-grammatical alternate universe. A few spelling errors helps level the playing field.

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 06:13 AM

Just to let our friends across the Atlantic know that they are not alone. The UK has had more than its share of alternative facts

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

Well, at least he has come clean now. Do you think Trumpton ever will?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: The Alternative Facts Thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 11:58 AM

Now that first sentence of yours there Greg F was exactly why Donald Trump won the 2016 Presidential Election

For once we're in agreement, Mr. T! They absolutely WERE ignorant or gullible or hypocritical(in the case of the "Christian"[sic] vote) lot or all three! In addition, I suppose, they could have simply been idiots.

Ta!