BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies

Subject: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:33 PM

Here ya go, Ake, Ians, Mr.T et. al. - Just for lovers of Trump and Trumpism. Have at it, and leave serious threads alone, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:52 PM

What serious threads would they be? The nicknames, or the alternative facts or half a dozen others in the same vein?
The only serious threads are those which address the two sides of the equation.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 05:54 PM

and they always get deleted as this is a "liberal" forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 06:28 PM

No they don't "always get deleted." You're lying. And where are the names of those threads of thousands, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:00 PM

Someone... not saying who... needs to contemplate 'why' he seems to see an excess of liberals on a this forum.

Since it is foremost a music forum and very specifically focused on folk/trad music... and since folkies are widely known for their concern for causes that expose cruelty, abuses, cheating, hate... and general issues of the plebeian classes... I, for one, am not surprised that the basic, insightful commentary tends to exemplify the more liberal/progressive attitudes. ☺

However... forums (fora?) are not 'liberal', people are. Perhaps one who feels inundated by excessive 'liberalism' is hanging out in an inappropriate forum? Except that liberals ARE known for tolerating discussions of almost all viewpoints, even when they seriously disagree with certain ones.

I wonder where one can find an...ummm.. conservative... forum where one can feel more 'comfy' and appreciated? I saw a couple a long time ago, and I certainly didn't find my 'liberal' comments very welcome.

   It gets really tedious when the character of the forum becomes a major point of concern, nicht whar?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 12:27 AM

A friend of mine sent me a fake news site which included flat earth, conspiracy theories, etc. I thanked him for presenting me with a tin foil hat site as I had wondered what such a site looked like. For some reason, I have not heard from him since.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:49 AM

"someone" doesn't see an excess of liberals on this forum Bill, quite the contrary. :0)

"Someone" could set down a list of extremely illiberal members which would stretch for column inches.
Calling oneself a liberal, doesn't cut it....you have to walk the walk.   People here have often been mobbed and insulted for religious belief or political opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 08:24 AM

Except that liberals ARE known for tolerating discussions of almost all viewpoints, even when they seriously disagree with certain ones.

That certainly excludes the mob that currently dominates political discussion below the line, their MO is more in line with fascism than liberalism IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 08:36 AM

Just what I thought bobad !

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 09:16 AM

I agree Bobad....you put that much better than I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 09:19 AM

Ah, but then all manner of tinfoil hat brigade nonsense "informs" your opinion Bobad.

their MO is more in line with fascism = LIE (a.k.a. Trumpism)

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 09:52 AM

Ah, but then all manner of tinfoil hat brigade nonsense "informs" your opinion Bobad.

You wouldn't care to provide an example of that, would you Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 10:05 AM

Far too many to count, Bobad, never mind post.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 10:13 AM

Thought not Greg, just more Made-Up-Shit™ from one of the hyenas.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 11:35 AM

Made-up shit is it?
I seem to remember Obama deliver a measured but clearly angry (angry for him? Barely irate shall we say) when Twitler opined that Obama was not born in the USA.

For those who are hard of thinking I used the word opined deliberately, please use it in your tirade or be a made up shit yourself. Choice is yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 11:44 AM

Hmm.....I think you've lost the plot somewhat M. Rouge.....lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: michaelr
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 02:08 PM

"hard of thinking" -- I love that!

Remember, an alternative truth, aka lie, is now called a fuct.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:08 PM

Or possibly a fuctbad?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 05:04 PM

Bill D says: Except that liberals ARE known for tolerating discussions of almost all viewpoints, even when they seriously disagree with certain ones.

I used to believe that, too, Bill, but things have changed in the last 20 years, and now it often seems that many liberals are just as intolerant as the conservatives are. It's disillusioning to me. I wonder if it's the Internet that has polarized people and made them so intolerant.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 05:18 PM

What's a bloody "liberal" anyway? Anyone care to attempt to define terms for this thicko? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 09:56 PM

many liberals are just as intolerant as the conservatives are.

Perhaps the "liberals"- if you insist on using that relatively meaningless term - are simply tired and exasperted having had to deal with increasing numbers of "conservatives" who live and operate in a fact-free or at least fact-averse universe over the last couple of decades.

Twitler is the logical result of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 01:48 AM

Yup, Greg, you're a perfect example of a liberal who's given up. Instead of using facts and logic to back up your position, you resort to the same sort of juvenile name-calling the conservatives love so much.

But the Trump voters have legitimate issues that need to be addressed. Obamacare was a good start, but it needs fixing. People are terrified of terrorism, and they haven't been convinced that the government has it under control - and that fear stirs nativism and anti-immigrant sentiments. Lots of people from formerly industrial areas have no hope of finding well-paid employment, another reason for nativism and opposing immigration. And those pipelines offer a promise of jobs and fuel security - why can't they be built so they're safe, instead of just blocking them?

Instead of your tiresome name-calling, why not come up with answers to the issues?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:31 AM

why not come up with answers to the issues?

1) dialogue, shouting ain't dialogue.

2) honesty - accepting that politics is a belief system founded on confirmation bias.

3) data collection, and no cherry-picking!

4) am I boring you yet? I could prattle on.

OK they ain't answers, they is methodologies. But therein lies the solution.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:52 AM

"But the Trump voters have legitimate issues that need to be addressed."
Every demagogue in history rose to power claiming to be addressing issus that needed addressing - every single one.
They usually chose scapegoats and turned people against one another ad they rose to the top while they were slugging it out.
Can we just clear up this term "liberal" before it catches on in ita 'Akeuse' form.
By definitioon it means:
Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
2. (of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
"the provision of liberal adult education"
synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general, humanistic

I'd be happy to be accused of this at any time, though it in no way describes my politics.
Ake has taken fascist Ann Coulter's (one of his favourite media persons) meaning of the term and turned it into a term of abuse.
Please don't descend to his and her level by allowing him to do so.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 04:12 AM

I would have thought the main issue to be addressed is to find out who is orchestrating this well planned, efficient attempted coup against the
POTUS.
Those that voted against Trump may feel their public protests and posturings are creating these problems for the Presidency but my feeling is that they are deluding themselves. Everything countering the President's attempts to govern is sliding into place like a well oiled machine. For a country that prides itself for being a democracy these events should be a cause for major concern. If it is not the electorate creating these problems then who can it be?
If this President goes down, the precedent is set for unelected persons to use this tactic whenever they want to in the future.
Where is your democracy then?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 04:56 AM

"Where is your democracy then?"
You - or any other Trump supporter - has yet to respond to the undemocratic and unconstitutional nature of Trumpism
That is what you are defending, not democracy
Even members of Trump's party, including those in his inner circle, are beginning to get cold feet about his irrational and crudely extremist behaviour
Is that "undemocratic"
What is now happening in America does not deserve to be dignified with the term 'Democracy"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:17 AM

Iains has a point. Trump is being undermined by unelected individuals within the bureaucracy who are leaking information at an alarming rate. There is a real danger that this could drive a wedge between the White House and the machinery of government, and this will endanger democracy. Had this been happening under a Clinton administration the howls of indignation would be deafening.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:18 AM

Jim the point I am trying to make is that the Presidency is like a goldfish bowl:- Very public. everything that takes place can be scrutinised and actions held to account.
The actions occurring to destabilise the Presidency are being carried out by unknown persons/organisations. If it was the people on the streets creating this mayhem for his administration, that is one thing. What is happening here is apparently unelected members of Deep State dictating their will.
There is a line of thought that Kennedy upset similar people "(break the CIA into thousands of pieces?", Destroy the Federal Reserve?")
Who won that round? Is history repeating?


These actions raise serious questions for a country that maintains it is the premier democracy. Is the President man or mouse? a puppet or puppet master? Is his role to lead the people or be the public persona of deep state.
In the orgy of backslapping and self congratulation seen on this forum by the Trump haters there is an inconvenient truth being overlooked.
Trump promised to drain the swamp. The swamp is drowning him.
Dangerous times.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:45 AM

Very well said Iains.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:52 AM

"Very public. everything that takes place can be scrutinised and actions held to account."
If prt of that "held to account" is in unprecedented public demonstrations from day one, it is extremely dangerous to suggest they are insurrections, orr even verging on such - and if thise demonstrations succeed in bringing him down, do be it - that's as democratic as it gets - People Power.
Trump is aiming to denigrate democratic and constitutional organisations, such as the judiciary - that is what you and yours are defending with your silence.
Throughout history, "legally elected" government despots d have been blocked and overthrown by popular opposition - passing it off as repressive and "dangerous" is - repressive and "dangerous"
Please respond to what Trump is actually doing rather than trying to stmap out and denigrate opposition to those actions
You are just setting up a smokescreen in his defence
He was elected by a little over a quarter of the population and many of those who put him where he was are turning away, so that is a summation of his authority - the rest is bullshit
I see no popular demonstrations in his support - do you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:55 AM

By the war
"Trump promised to drain the swamp. "
The "swamp" Trump referred to was full of human beings in trouble
I take it you've had the same humanity removal operation ake has
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 06:01 AM

The suggestion of the existence of a "deep state" is probably erroneous in the case of the USA, unless there is more than one deep state at work.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 06:37 AM

With all respect Jim. You deliberately misunderstand what I say.
What happens domestically in the US is only of passing interest to me.
It is the ramifications of the foreign policy that do directly impact on my life.
    If you think a President trying to ease back tensions between the US and Russia is a bad thing then I pity you. The preservation of the status quo means tensions are ramped up, illegal wars continue and the bankers and arms industry maestros make their millions. Do you really think they give a toss about you and your opinions and all the domestic protests?
    As I said before, all the signs are the tail is wagging the dog.
If you think that situation strengthens democracy you are in la la land.
This is a struggle between factions and the presidency and conlicting agendas.
If you want to take the simplistic view and think it is all about a personality cult so be it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 06:55 AM

" You deliberately misunderstand what I say.
With respects - I don't deliberately misunderstand anybody's postings mking you "with respect hypocritical bullshit
"What happens domestically in the US is only of passing interest to me."
due to the aggressive nature of your postings nothing you say is of an interest to me
"If you think a President trying to ease back tensions between the US and Russia is a bad thing then I pity you"
If you believe I have ever suggested a thing I pity your illiteracy
Stop setting up straw men
I said that Trump unconstitutionally and illegally enlisted the support of Russia to gain office - if you aren't aware of that fact, you should not even be attempting to debate this topic.
Trump has no ntention of stopping illegal wars - he has proposed the use of nuclear weapons at least half a dozen times and he has just slapped six Muslim countries in the face by illegally attempting to ban them from entry into the US
He carefully missed out the State which provided the largest number of participants in 9/11
"This is a struggle between factions "
The largest number of the early demonstrations were organised by women protesting about his attitude to their agenda - some faction
No demonstrations have been instigated by the Democratic Party.
Bullshit Trumpist misinformation.
Answer the facts on Trump and stop tweeting
America was built on popular protest, The War of Independence, The Civil Rights Marches being typical.
The people who made up the proudly mongrel race that is America are no different than those Trump is trying to block and eject go read the quote from the Empire State Building
GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BREATHE FREE
Your arguments are dishonest, undemocratic and inhuman
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 07:48 AM

I think you will find the reality is that:-GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BREATHE FREE ceased to be many years ago. I do not think green cards are handed out like popsicles any more.
If you wish to continue discussing the man rather than the underlying realities and try to destroy debate by attempting to stifle it by saying counter arguments are dishonest, undemocratic and inhuman then your powers of debate must be severely limited. You are making items up to suit your agenda.
Who has spoken about "demonstrations instigated by the democrats?"," Who is tweeting?"

"America was built on popular protest, The War of Independence, The Civil Rights Marches being typical."
Typical selectivism Jim.
The civil war killed thousands (620k)and cost millions. Does that statistic not suit your narrative.
The events taking place in the US now could possibly repeat that event above. In terms of modern population the equivalent death toll could be 6.5million.
Like him or hate him, the only way to remove Trump is by legal means.
The coup taking place right now merely illustrates that the responsible movers and shakers do not give a fig for your democracy. A very dangerous precedent is being set. The intelligence services consider themselves above the law and presume rights that have never been considered, let alone verified by congress and totally against all the constitution was designed to uphold. By constantly villifying the man, these events are taking place in collusion with the MSM and totally overlooked by most of the electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM

"ceased to be many years ago"
Immaterial
America was formed by those fleeing persecution and want and is made up of those people.
"If you wish to continue discussing the man rather than the underlying realities"
The underlying realities are the man and his actions
The dishonest and illegal way he was elected is very much part of that discussion as are the dangers his actions and intentions which effect us all from ecologiacal destruction to the encouragement to fascism he is helping expand.
"The civil war killed thousands (620k)and cost millions. Does that statistic not suit your narrative."
Sorry to totally beyond me
Are you suggesting that the legal government should not have opposed Southern secession and allowed slavery to continue in the South?
That would be and interesting subject to debate with you!!
Love to know where you stand on that one!!
What Trump is doing is undermining the constitution and has been ruled illegal
We should sit on our hands and allow him to continue because it might get up his nose?
There is no coup taking place and your describing what is happening as such would mark you out as an extremist idf your blanket support for Assad's terrorism hadn't already done so.
Your suggestion that demanding to debate Trump's behaviour is "dishonest" marks you out as a raving madman
This gets pointless - you are presented with a set of points to respond to - you can't so you pass on something else.
I really can't be arsed trying to grasp a wriggling worm
Put up a decent argument and stop insulting me or go away - as I've already said, you really aren't very good at this
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 08:25 AM

There is no coup taking place. There may be voices of the unelected briefing against him and he may have enemies within. But coups in the US are not possible. And I can't think why you make a particular case in defence of Trump. Undemocratic forces in the US routinely undermine the administration and have always done so. No-one voted for the gun lobby, no-one voted for the stranglehold of multinationals and no one voted for the pro-Israeli regime lobby. Yet they all shamelessly exercise undue influence on politicians, right up to the top. I don't hear you complaining. I'll draw my own conclusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 09:37 AM

"There is no coup taking place."#
Of course there isn't
The right to protest and demonstrate is an integral right of all democracies
Not sure how long it will remain so under Trump - certainly not long if those who equate protests with sedition.
That way lies Fascist extremism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 09:47 AM

The leaking of classified information is a felony.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 11:09 AM

"The leaking of classified information is a felony."
Collusion with another State in order to win an election is treachery
Denigrating the National judiciary because they have ruled your actions unconstitutional is as treacherous as it gets
Turning one section of the population against another is decisive
Singling out one national group of the population and describing them as "bad guys" is racist, bigoted and and unconstitutional
Suggesting that it is acceptable to sexually assault women is misogynist and illegal.
Barring people from your country because of their religion is bigoted in the extreme and has been ruled illegal by the American legal system.
Defending any of the above is appeasement to racism and injustice
I think my hand trumps your hand, don't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 11:10 AM

Pun intended, by the way!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 11:56 AM

Hi, Joe-                

you resort to the same sort of juvenile name-calling..... Instead of your tiresome name-calling

Cite examples, please, posted after 4 Feb 17 - if you can.

People are terrified of terrorism, and they haven't been convinced that the government has it under control - and that fear stirs nativism and anti-immigrant sentiments.

SOME people, Joe - uninformed ones, the ones Trump loves (the under-educated), the same folks that think Obama is a Kenya-born Muslim, that global climate change is a hoax, thet Briebart & Fox tell the truth, that the local Mosque is on the verge of imposing Sharia Law & etc. etc.- THOSE people, Joe. You want an answer: Education.

Lots of people from formerly industrial areas have no hope of finding well-paid employment, another reason for nativism and opposing immigration.

No, Joe, its not a reason, its an excuse. Immigration & foreigners have diddly to do with it; Its the plutocrats like Trump and his cabinet - and the Republican Party in general - that have put those people in the ecomomic straits they're in - Trump & the Trumpites are the problem, not the solution. And ya know what, Joe - those jobs ain't coming back. Ever. That's just more Trump lies. You want an answer? The folks in those areas need to do what I've had to do numerous times: 1. MOVE to where the work is and 2. Re-train themselves for the jobs curently available, instead of sitting on their asses waithing for some economic messiah (or rather snake-oil salesman) to rescue them.

those pipelines offer a promise of jobs and fuel security - why can't they be built so they're safe, instead of just blocking them

No, Joe - they offer the ILLUSION of jobs (very few, in the overall scheme of things) and "fuel security"( whatever that's supposed to mean) Those sorts of pipelines are inherently unsafe, and they won't be made safer because the oil companies and Trump's cabinet (name Rex Tillerson ring a bell?) and the Repubs. in Congress won't allow it or pay for it. They're going to annihilate safety regs and protections into the bargain.

Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 12:25 PM

Greg what is the point of a bookfull of regulations when there are no jobs!   Work is an important ingredient in a healthy society, starvation, rotting away on benefits are not. People need a purpose self esteem, a chance to contribute.
Time we started showing a bit of concern for the wellbeing of our population instead of concentrating on the cut throat ideology of financial aspiration. Despite what you all say Donal-John seems serious about breaking the profit at all costs template and bringing a bit of pride back to blue collar America, OK it won't be couched in terms which will be particularly palatable to "liberals", but I believe the end result will be the destruction of the political elite which has overseen the gradual emasculation of American industry,
As a by product of this we may see some real socialist policies arise not by confrontation but by popular consent.
Confronting Capitalism has always been the biggest mistake, "Softly Softly Catchee Monkey" .......Remember "Z Cars"?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 12:42 PM

Donal-John seems serious about breaking the profit at all costs template and bringing a bit of pride back to blue collar America

Meanwhile the clothing line that bears his name says "Made in China" on the label.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 01:00 PM

Donal-John seems serious about breaking the profit at all costs template and bringing a bit of pride back to blue collar America"
SURE HE IS !!!!!!

WHO COULD DOUBT IT??

GOD FORGIVE US FOR NOT TRUSTING HIM
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:10 PM

"Donal-John"
Ake
Some time ago you saw fit to ask people who were seeking names to fir this excuse for hiumanity whether they didn't have any comics to read
Any chance you could confine your suck-holing of this man to the privacy of your own company
Your cap-doffing is sickening
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:58 PM

"Hi Ram Ho! fur Donal John,
Wi aw his tanterwallops on,
An' may he niver lack a scone,
While he mak's hi'lan' whisky.......:0) "

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:46 PM

Donal-John seems serious about breaking the profit at all costs template Donal-John seems serious about breaking the profit at all costs template

Fer chrissake, Ake - Twitler IS the "profit at all costs template" as are each of his cabinet appointments.

"Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?"

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 07:38 PM

"Donal John,"
Your support for this monster now reaches ' collaboration" proportions
One of his employees invented the "Bowling Green Massacre" that never took place, now he has announced a Terrorist attack in Sweden that never happened
He is made - his supporters are both sick and dishonest
I hope you have no kids to bequeath tha sick world you are going to leave them
You won't respond to this of course, Quisling hero that you are and I doubt if your mate Iain will either.
Doesn't seem part of your makeup
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 07:43 PM

His makeup? Don't tempt me, Jim...

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:25 AM

It amazes me- it astonishes me (assuming that to be astonished is farther down the tube than amazed) that one individual can so predictably come down in favor of EVERY thing or idea or person that I find either repugnant or incredible or dismiss-ible/inconsequential! Ake, I'm either going to have to learn to understand you or simply ignore you. Sarah Palin? Ann Coulter? Donald Trump? ye gods. Is it your upbringing? Your surroundings? Your experiences? The water?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 03:41 AM

Greg F quotes Joe: you resort to the same sort of juvenile name-calling..... Instead of your tiresome name-calling

Greg asks: Cite examples, please, posted after 4 Feb 17 - if you can.

Er, Greg, what title did you give this thread?

Whether you call Trump a nickname and then repeat it ad nauseam, or if you call another Mudcatter a derogatory nickname, it's the same thing - using labels instead of logic.

And Greg, how can you deny my contention that people are terrified of terrorism? Take another look at what I said, Greg. The people who voted for Trump, have issues the Democrats did not address. Trump acknowledged those issues and gave people the impression that he could solve them. I don't believe that Trump is going to fix anything, but he made the voters believe he could.

The concerns the voters have, are real. Those issues must be addressed. I don't like the answers Trump gave to those concerns, but at least he DID give answers. Many of the fears people have are unfounded, but they are real fears and must be addressed.

As for pipelines, it sure seems to me that they're safer than trucks on the highway or railroad cars or supertankers. As long as we continue to use petroleum, we will have to put up with the hazards connected with that toxic substance. And pipelines seem to be the safest way to transport it.

You wonder what fuel security is? I couldn't think of a better term, so that's what I used to talk about not having to depend on the Saudis to fill my gasoline tank.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 05:09 AM

An interesting article. worth a read and a 5 minute reflection on the content.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-rules-the-united-states/5575520

Some may be very happy the Presidency is being derailed, but if you consider the mechanics of destabilisation you should be very unhappy.
Where is your electoral process in these proceedings?
What is your vote worth?
Do the intelligence services work for you, or the military/industrial complex, or the POTUS?

Your democracy seemingly is dead in the water. Your vociferous protests impact on the reality of the situation with the magnitude of a dead fish!¬ You-have achieved nothing. Perhaps you should ask:- who is achieving, who are they, and for whom do they work? It is not for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 05:41 AM

"The concerns the voters have are real"

The "concerns" the voters have that made them pick Trump were planted in their heads in order to get them to vote for him. He demonised Muslims. He demonised Mexicans. He demonised the EU. He demonised Clinton, unjustly branding her a criminal. He demonised the establishment, and continues to do so even though he's a solid member of it himself. These, among others, are the "concerns" that he used to exploit the gullibility of a politically-uneducated electorate. The concerns he focused on were largely illusory. There are concerns, of course there are, there always are. But he was elected on the back of issues dishonestly presented to the electorate in a thoroughly bogus manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 05:54 AM

The politically uneducated inhabit vast swathes both sides of the political divide so they probably cancel each other out. Are you trying to say only republicans are politically uneducated and therefore gullible Steve? I suspect millions might take issue with such a stance.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:05 AM

Another attack on the courts, Iains? Unelected judges, eh? Do you think that anyone who ever gets to have influence should be "elected" (bearing in mind that the vast majority of people don't understand the issues they're voting on, and would quickly get election fatigue in any case)? If you do, then why did your article not mention, say, the gun lobby or the pro-Israel lobby, neither of which were elected by anybody but both of which exert a stranglehold on every administration? What about the multinational corporations? Like everybody else in public office, judges should be scrutinised. But scrutinised does not mean demonised. "Unelected judges" should have your antennae twitching. There is an implied heavy pejorative in that phrase. Your author isn't to be trusted. His remarks on the judiciary are Trumpism writ large. Perhaps that's what you were promoting by linking to the article.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:08 AM

Iains
Your link is to an article which is the opinion of an ultra-right conservative journalit who supports Trump
Trump is now accusing the Swedish authorities of covering up the massacre that never happened
Do you think this is how leading statesmen should behave and is not such an accusation a sign of insanity?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:11 AM

"The politically uneducated inhabit vast swathes both sides of the political divide so they probably cancel each other out. Are you trying to say only republicans are politically uneducated and therefore gullible Steve? I suspect millions might take issue with such a stance."

Nothing in what I've said even remotely justifies that extrapolation. I suppose I could accuse YOU of justifying ignorance as long as it's on both sides. Not for the first time, I advise you to engage your brain before you post.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:27 AM

"The concerns the voters have are real"

When you can't address the whole picture you cherry-pick at the corners, and as a result there is a clear and present danger of coming to solutions that don't solve the wider issue. And it all becomes divisive. Counter-productive even.

And divisive is what Twitler is offering.

And on the subject of labels, they can (good ones) deliver more than one message, succinctly. Language shorthand is what happens to languages that live. By evolution the better examples usually survive. Otherwise we would all be talking in a dead language like Latin and be unable to describe a car (or auto) in a single word. "Viva da label".

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:48 AM

"These, among others, are the "concerns" that he used to exploit the gullibility of a politically-uneducated electorate"
If Trump exploited the gullibility of the above in order to win the vote then by definition the republicans that voted him into office must be gullible and politically uneducated. Perhaps your brain needs to flip few synapses steve. You seem to have a reality disconnect(again)

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 07:07 AM

I assume you are not going to respond to the facts on Trump Iaians - as principled and honest as every other of his supporters here!!
A nixce summing up of the Trump psyche based on a review of his biography
Jim Carroll

From this morning's Irish Times
WE'RE ALL TRAPPED IN DONALD TRUMP'S SKULL: A VERY CLUTTERED PLACE TO BE
Donald Trump is stuck in his own skull. He's unreachable. "He lives inside his head, where he runs the same continuous loop of conflict with people he turns into enemies for the purposes of his psychodrama," saysT rump biographer Michael D'Antonio.
Because Tramp holds Thor's hammer, with its notably short handle, we must keep trying to figure out his strange, per¬verse, aggrieved style of reasoning. So we're stuck in Trump's head with him. It's a very cluttered place to be, a fine-tuned machine spewing a torrent of chaos, cruelty, confusion, farce and transfixing craziness. Of course, this is merely the observation of someone who is "the enemy of the American people", accord¬ing to our president.
President Trump likes maps. Once it was John King's analysis of the CNN electoral map that Trump obsessed over. Now he wants policy papers heavy on maps and graphics and not dense with boring words. So let's visualise those phrenology skulls mapping distinct faculties in the brain, the ones that spur chastity, sympathy, philanthropy, philoprogenitiveness, mirthful¬ness, sincerity, grace, morality, generosity, kindness, benevo¬lence.
Then think of the president's skull, which is stuffed with other humours: insecurity, insincerity, victimhood, paranoia, mockery, self-delusion, suspicion, calculation, illogic, vindictiveness, risk, bullying, alimentiveness, approbativeness, vitativeness. Gall, divided into three parts.
It seems that at some point Trump decided that he didn't really trust anyone else. While that was a reasonable strategy for a New York real estate developer who was always trying to rip off so-called partners, it's obviously a limitation when you're presi¬dent.

SCREWING UP
Like all narcissists, he doesn't like to be told if he's screwing up, so he surrounds himself with people who don't tell him. The president is still oblivious about the shudder that went through the land, beyond the base that likes seeing the press jackals flayed, during his gobsmacking 77-minute masterpiece of performance art in the White House on Thursday. It was more Norma Desmond than Norman Vincent Peale, the Trump family pastor who wrote The Power of Positive Thinking and influenced Donald's thinking as a child.
If Trump is the swanning, ageing diva in the mansion, trapped in a musty miasma, Steve Bannon must be Max, the German director-turned-but ler who massages Norma's ego. In Sunset Hair Boulevard, Bannon is the one who encourages his diva to cling to a delusional world where she is still big and Jeff Zucker and Chuck Schumer are lightweights.
This leaves us in the role of Joe Gillis, who makes one bad choice and ends up floating face down in the swimming pool after Norma loses it and offs him. The more Trump fixates on an opponent he vanquished months ago and whines about vote tallies and crowd sizes, the more he seems small and insecure. The more he loudly insists on Putin's charms, the loonier he sounds.
The more he defends the odd duck Michael Flynn, saying he fired him only because Flynn misled Mike Pence about talking sanctions with the Russian ambassador before Pence went on Face the Nation, the more it raises the question: Why didn't Trump himself tell Pence when the White House counsel told him?
And the more Trump decries America's lack of innocence in the world relative to Russia and turns journalists into whipping boys and targets of hate, the more he sounds like a thuggy dictator himself.
"When Trump was a kid, he was obsessed with intimidating other boys," D'Antonio says. "Prior to a ballgame he would ceremoniously eat an orange as if it was an apple, biting into the bitter rind and chewing up the whole thing. The whole idea was to psych out his opponents."
As presidential historian Michael Beschloss reminded me, the previous gold standard for a president showing contempt for reporters at a news conference was Nixon during Watergate in 1973, when he said just after the Saturday Night Massacre: "Don't get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects."

'FAKE NEWS MEDIA'
Trump got into another megalomaniacal "Me the People" swivel on Friday, tweeting the "FAKE NEWS media" was "the enemy of the American people!" So Trump is even using the rhetoric of Lenin? Putin is lovely and the press is the Evil Empire?
Beschloss riposted with this tweet: "On December 1972 tape, Nixon told Kissinger, 'The press is the enemy, the establishment is the enemy, the professors are the enemy.'" By suddenly calling his own scream-of-consciousness press conference, Trump was out to prove that he - not Sean Spicer,
Kellyanne Conway or Stephen Miller - is the top salesman in the office. Only he can close the deal.
"It was true Trump," D'Antonio said. "He thinks confidence is more important than competence and attitude matters more than aptitude. Others may be exhausted by the frenzy. You can see it in their drawn faces and pained expressions. Donald is energised by the fight. It also explains why he expects others to accept a bashing and be fine with him the next day."
When Trump was corrected on the obvious whopper that his electoral college vote was the "biggest electoral college win since Ronald Reagan", his only defence was, "I was given that information." Spin is the bitcoin of Washington. But Trump is in another dimension. He has distorted the truth for so long, he now seems routinely untethered from reality.
As Trump biographerTim O'Brien puts it, "He's the emperor of chaos." - (New York Times service)

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 09:27 AM

Suggesting everyone who voted in a way you don't agree with is thick, dishonest or sick is plain wrong; the world if far more complex than that.

We need to ask why people voted this way and how their concerns can be addressed. When people are disillusioned or feel marginalised and left behind they tend to kick out, and this is what has happened with Brexit and Trump and why shouldn't they? We created Trump and Farage, we have to deal with them now they've gained power, by means fair or foul.

Whatever happens, there will be no rolling back of the advances that liberalism has brought us a society. We've come too far to regress back to ignorance and intolerance, it's just the millions out there who believe in equality, tolerance and unity and the formation of policy based on fact.

You can't polish a turd, so no point trying. We'll continue to make music, art and do science and continue to work in our local communities and when the likes of Trump and Farage are ousted, we'll still be here and we'll carry on moving forward. They can't win in the long term.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 09:50 AM

Hi, Joe,   

Greg, what title did you give this thread?

I picked a term invented by someone else here weeks ago and which has been freely used many times since by folks other than me. Can you explain why you're only calling me out?

repeat it ad nauseam

Can you provide examples of this "ad nauseum" repetition by me, please?

And Greg, how can you deny my contention that people are terrified of terrorism?

Quite easily, Joe."the people"- by which you mean to say "the Trump-lovers" are terrified of shibboleths, invented by Trump & Co. to garner votes. "The people" are a million times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than a terrorist or an undocumented immigrant.

The people who voted for Trump, have issues the Democrats did not address. ...

Perhaps the Dems. diddn't address them- or more properly COULDN'T address them due to Republican obstructionism- but by the same token they didn't create them. That credit goes to the Republican party and its policies of the last 30 years and to persons such as Trump and his Cabinet. And it'll only get worse now.

I don't believe that Trump is going to fix anything, but he made the voters believe he could.

So the fact that Trump lied and lies out of both sides of his mouth at once and a bunch of gullible fools believed him is a GOOD thing?

I don't like the answers Trump gave to those concerns, but at least he DID give answers.

So a bogus answer is preferable to no answer & lies are preferable to truth?

That's what I used to talk about not having to depend on the Saudis to fill my gasoline tank.

Got bad news for you, Joe. The U.S. has never been and will never be able to supply its gluttonous need for oil from domestic sources. Get over it. If you want to work on something, how about getting those SUV's and monster pickup trucks off the road and/or restoring rail service?

Besr Regards,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM

by definition the republicans that voted him into office must be gullible and politically uneducated.

Got it in one, Iains!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 03:29 PM

Greg F
a nice bit of cherry picking:-
"by definition the republicans that voted him into office must be gullible and politically uneducated.

What I said previously was:-
"The politically uneducated inhabit vast swathes both sides of the political divide so they probably cancel each other out. Are you trying to say only republicans are politically uneducated and therefore gullible Steve? I suspect millions might take issue with such a stance."

If you have to quote me in order to make a point please try to quote the entirety of what I say. If you cannot do that then try to construct your own arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 03:56 PM

No comment on Fuehrer Trumps racist lying about Sweden yet Iains?
I don't know if you count yourself among the "The politically uneducated" it's obvious to me where you feature
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 08:29 PM

"Suggesting everyone who voted in a way you don't agree with is thick, dishonest or sick is plain wrong; the world if far more complex than that."

Sure, Stu, and my point is more complex than that. First, I'm not suggesting that people who vote for Trump or Brexit are thick or dishonest. Certainly not sick. Politically ignorant means not educated in how your country and other countries work and how political factions operate and interact. Not understanding the potential pitfalls of decisions made by politicians. Not knowing how your tax money is used. Not understanding the long game. Not understanding the history of various movements and the principles they operate under. I'm not wanting to be patronising here but I am suggesting that the vast majority of people would fail a test on those criteria abysmally. Yet they get to vote and they get to make the Big Decisions. The great sublime thing about being ignorant is that you probably don't know that you're ignorant. Politicians of tendentious intent build you up and tell you what a massively important decision you're making (by voting for Brexit, for example). They want you to feel important (not for too long, mind, but just until you've acquiesced in their bidding). They will tell you that what you have voted for aligns with "the will of the people" (just about the stupidest phrase ever invented). The country I live in has about sixty million people and sixty million wills, not one big one. And when they say "will of the people" they don't mean mean me, or sixteen million others, or almost the same again who didn't vote at all. They mean the expressed will of just over a third of the electorate, most of whom wouldn't have been able to vote had they been required to pass even the most rudimentary exam. I think that's scary. But the political establishment rather likes it that way, because ignorant people are far less likely to question you, to hold you to account. Far more likely to go along with populist sloganising. No electorate which was even half-decently educated would ever have voted for Trump or Brexit. Those decisions were made via those most undemocratic of sentiments, "gut feelings." The world deserves better, but will get it only when people are encouraged to understand what is happening to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:24 AM

Jim a rabid socialist such as yourself must be politically uneducated as history demonstrates socialism has failed to succeed anywhere that it has been tried. Therefore you consistently back a loser:- not the mark of an educated man.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:40 AM

"Jim a rabid socialist such as yourself must be politically uneducated as history demonstrates"
Your arrogance and your ignorance appear to run in parallel
I am not a "rabid socialist"
I belong to no socialist group, I don't vote, I am critically interested in socialist philosophy but I don't advocate them to any great degree as I don't fully understand them, nor do I advocate violent revolution - I defy you or anybody to produce examples of my doing so.
By instinct, I am a humanist and a sort-of pacifist .
Your dishonesty in refusing to qualify your support for Trump extends to yourt descriptin of those who don't agree with you.
I have given numerous aspects of Trum's dishonest, his apparent insanity, the danger he poses to both America and the world - you refuse to respond, or when you do, you link to irrelevant and flawed opinions (that's what they are) the same site
You did exactly the same with your support for mass-murderer Assad.
Now, how about addressing the questions put to you rather than painting a distorted picture of people you know sweet fuck-all about?
Politically uneducated - I have spent most of my life studying Western politics and as a young man, was involved actively in many aspects of it.
As a personal favour to be, why not stop displaying your arrogant, ignorant twatishness
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 06:18 AM

I wasn't picking your comment out Steve, it was more this seems to be a repeating refrain amongst those who oppose Trump and Brexit, and I don't think it serves us well.

A week or two ago I was called a "libtard" by someone on this forum, another insult the alt-right throw at anyone who disagrees with them. Whilst I've got thicker skin than to be bothered by that, it did make me wonder about how the debate has gone recently, how the tone of the discussion is developing.

Now let's make this clear, I've been as guilty as anyone in the past few months about bandying about names for the alt-right and it's sympathisers, but given the seriousness of the threat to our society, culture, environment and hard-won freedoms I think it's time to change the tone. We must address the issues that people are concerned about be they leavers, remainers, pro– or anti–trump, and listen to what everyone on both sides of the argument say. In the end, we'll have to find a middle way to navigate through these difficult times and with effort come out stronger and perhaps wiser.

The folk that voted for Brexit and Trump did so for a variety of reasons, but to dismiss their views simply because they dismiss ours is possibly not the way to move forward, us and our children deserve that at least. Art Science. Music. Community. Get involved and keep going. Be inclusive and tolerant and be sure that actions speak louder than words. We should put up or shut up.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:46 AM

Perhaps Iains would care to inform us as to where true socialism has been tried but failed. Tell you what, Iains - get akenaton to explain socialism to you. He's our resident forum socialism expert and he's exactly on your level.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:54 AM

" Perhaps Iains would care to inform us as to where true socialism has been tried but failed. "
You could also ask him whether he has used the National Health Service, introduced into Britain in the 1940s as a very limited socialist measure, opposed violently by the Tories, and driven to the point of extinction by neglect, starvation of funds and bureaucracy by subsequent right wing administrations
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 02:47 PM

Socialism—defined as a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production—was the tragic failure of the twentieth century. Born of a commitment to remedy the economic and moral defects of capitalism, it has far surpassed capitalism in both economic malfunction and moral cruelty. Robert Heilbroner
or
Socialism was the bedrock of Marxism and meant that workers and their community should control the market for what they make.

Because the Soviet state eventually strayed far from Marx's idea of socialism towards Lenin's totalitarian communism, socialism is now often used to mean everything from "fascism" to "progressivism." But in its purest form, socialism was a political, social, and economic system meant to empower the working class. In the U.S. today, though, it's often used as shorthand for "the services that government provides and which are paid for by taxes." Depending on who's talking, that idea is either a goal or a target.
or
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels
or
Socialism is a populist economic and political system in which the means of production operate under public political ownership, sometimes called common ownership. Common ownership under socialism may take shape through technocratic, oligarchic, totalitarian, democratic or even voluntary rule. All legal production and distribution decisions are made by the ruling class.
BREAKING DOWN 'Socialism'

Prominent historical examples of socialist countries include the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Today's examples include Cuba, Venezuela and China. Due to its practical challenges and poor track record, socialism is sometimes referred to as a utopian or "post-scarcity" system, although modern adherents believe it could work if only properly implemented.

An old slogan for socialism is "from each according to ability, to each according to need." Socialist ideals include production for use, rather than for profit; an equitable distribution of wealth and material resources among all people; no more competitive buying and selling in the market; and free access to goods and services.
Origins and Development

Socialism developed as an objection to liberal individualism and capitalism. Under early capitalist economies during the 17th and 18th centuries, western European countries experienced compound economic growth and industrial production for the first time. Some individuals and families escaped poverty faster than others, creating income inequality and other social concerns.

The most famous early socialist thinkers were Robert Owen, Henri de Saint-Simon, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin. It was primarily Lenin who expounded on the ideas of earlier socialists and helped bring socialist planning to the national level after the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia during 1917.

Following the spectacular failure of socialist central planning in Soviet Russia and Maoist China during the 20th century, many modern socialists adjusted to a highly regulatory and redistributive system, sometimes referred to as market socialism or democratic socialism.

In socialism, all capital is owned by a supreme government, and production decisions are made politically. Legal property rights only extend to consumer goods. Socialist economic thinkers consider many private economic activities to be irrational, such as arbitrage or lending money, because they do not create immediate consumption or "use."

In terms of the definitions above it is hard to see any country as being truly socialist. Russia tried it and it mutated and failed.
Labour in Britain has embraced aspects of it and subsequently wrecked the economy. China is communist, Cuba is socialist aspiring to communism. Scandinavian countries embrace elements of socialism, as does Ireland, insofar as benefits are generous.

It could be argued true socialism has never been tried.

and stevie wonder I can use a dictionary to obtain a definition, don't believe I need anyone else to help

Perhaps both you and Jim could ask the den mother to explain it all to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 02:52 PM

Blimey. Did you write all that yourself or cut and paste it?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 02:58 PM

"Perhaps both you and Jim could ask the den mother to explain it all to you."
Ever the arrogant little shit, I see
You've carefully omitted to say that you cut and pasted your whole posting from "The Concise Encycolpedia of Economice" - and entry entitled "Socialism" by Robert Heilbroner in order to pretend it was all your own work
Any illiterate moron can do that.
Socialism may have failed to take hold nationally (just as Capitalism is at present) but wherever it has been tried it brought enormous improvement - Russia and China, were largely feudalistic and Cuba was where rich American gangsters went to watch Cuban women fuck donkeys.
The next time you visit your docttor, just remember that the only reason you are able to is thanks to the limited socialist measures introduced by a Labour Government and fiecely opposed by the Tories who withed to remain with the "pay up or die" system that went before.
Now how about telling us what you know rather than plagiarizing somebody else's knowledge
You really are a dimmo - aren't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:12 PM

Its not lies! He is providing real life ICE jobs that I may consider. While we all may carry guns only certain special agents have a license to kill. I will also be able to wear an armband unless I am a special ICE informer. With as many as 40,000 core jobs with ICE and 100,000 jobs with supportive subcontractors ICE will become the largest new agency. The group interview was exciting and rousing with chants of thank Trump thank Trump. There were posters to help identify the shoe wear of aliens and other identifying features. In the near future our power will be seen by America in parades and marches 10,000 strong strutting down the main streets of America.

Boy will you guys be laughing out the other side of your slapped face when you see how powerful we are as Uber ICE storm leaders.
I have completed the pre interview and can't wait to join the ranks to protect America from the inside out.

Thank Trump Thank Trump Thank Trump!

I think I got a job waiting for ME.
.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:31 PM

https://www.ice.gov/careers


then click main job site

I am so excited.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:57 PM

Hmmm, it does look like the devil may be in the unseen details:

United States Citizens who have been accepted for enrollment or who are currently enrolled and seeking a degree in a qualifying educational institution on a full or half-time basis. This is a key position within the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). ICE utilizes the government's second largest cadre of Uber ICE storm law enforcement officers to ensure our nation's economic, transportation and infrastructure security. ICE enforces immigration and customs laws. Our talented and courageous workforce identities criminal activities and eliminates vulnerabilities that pose a threat to our nation's borders. ICE is the primary investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). With more than 119,000 employees in 400 offices around the world, ICE is a key component of the DHS layered defense approach to protecting our nation. For additional information about ICE and career opportunities go to http://www.ice.gov/ ICE is seeking bright, innovative, results-oriented individuals who are pursuing degrees in Business Administration, Management, Communication, Finance, Human Resources, Public Administration, Political Science among others, to join our Pathways Internship Program. The Pathways Internship Program targets students accepted for enrollment or currently enrolled in a degree-seeking program (diploma, certificate, etc.) in an accredited/qualifying educational institution, on a full or half-time basis. (Applicants who do not meet the definition of "student" will not be considered.) This internship is for students who can commit to working year-round. Interns may work full-time or part-time schedules. At the successful conclusion of this program, you may be eligible for noncompetitive conversion to a federal career or career-conditional position. Who May Apply: U.S. citizens who have been accepted for enrollment or who are currently enrolled and seeking a degree in a qualifying educational institution on a full or half-time basis. View common definitions of terms found in this announcement concerning Uber ICE storm agents. Organizational Location: These positions are located in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations, San Francisco Field Office. Salary: The salary range indicated in this announcement will be adjusted to include locality payment for selected duty location. General Schedule locality pay tables may be found under Salaries & Wages, www.opm.gov . Relocation Expenses: Relocation expenses will not be paid. Note: One or more positions may be filled using this vacancy

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 04:03 PM

Glad to see I am only a dimmo now, being called insecure was beginning to get a little tiresome.

And of course I cut and pasted the definitions, it was pretty obvious I would have thought.
Had I paraphrased the definitions you would have started bleating I had it all wrong.

Well stevie and jimmiue as you make such a deal of it you tell me where true socialism has been tried and failed.
My original post said socialism in the generally accepted sense of the word, you both parrot on about "true socialism."
Why not simply take it in turns to post. It get boring reading the same thing twice.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 06:51 PM

Blimey. The man is incoherent. Not a lot else to be said really. Rude too. Though Stevie Wonder is, in my view, the greatest non-classical exponent of the chromatic harmonica on the planet. He has many other fine qualities too. As you have associated me with the great man I shall luxuriate in reflected glory and e inspired to practise the harmonica even harder.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 06:52 PM

be

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:21 PM

Eh ! You leave our Monica alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:33 PM

Wrong scrotus, Raggytash! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:34 PM

na nana na na Steve can't join the ICE police.

kids and women to the left, men to the right
kids and women to the left, men to the right

Oh well every job has its tedium.
There is excitement at times. Like separating mothers from their children.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:40 PM

I forgot, we have to buy our own arm band and brown shirts.

Guess what, They both have Trump tags that says made in China.

The armored vests and caps cost a fortune.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 07:49 PM

I'll add that to the list of jobs I would never do, such as Mafia hitman, executioner, benefits office decision maker and chauffeur forced to drive a BMW.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 08:42 PM

Trump is truly honored to be named Narcissist of the year by MAD Magazine.

This is their first Presidential nod.

Love Trump, Hate the usual lying suspects.

(new chant buries the lead)

Thank Trump
Love Trump
Kill Dem Chumps
Hanky panky weeny whacky
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:58 AM

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/right_on_cue_riots_break_out_in_muslim_neighborhood_of_stockholm_as_swedes_d

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:53 AM

"Had I paraphrased the definitions you would have started bleating I had it all wrong."
No - you put it forward to give the impression they were your conclusions - that is the way you presented it.
Your ongoing arrogant manner only serves to underline your superficial take on subjects like Socialism
If you had a shred of understanding you would realise that, like Capitalism, Socialism isn't something that is tried and then rejected like a coat - it is an objective that is aimed for and, again, like Capitalism, develops and evolves over decades, even centuries - Trotsky probably came up with the handiest phrase to describe its development with his "Permanent Revolution", using the word in its correct definition revolution = change.
If you think that can be discussed with a few soundbites, you are thicker than you appear to be.
As I said, whatever Socialism has been adopted as an aim it has brought huge benefits - and problems, of course.
The limited socialist measures adopted by the post war Labour Government gave us a ground-breaking National Health Service, social housing instead of predatory landlordism and it helped rebuild Britain after a destructive world war
It also gave working people a greater say in their lives, but I'm sure that wouldn't count as an asset to people like yourself
Needless to say, you people managed to tear down all the benefits and return us to the dark ages - we no longer have a voice, homes have been turned into investments and the National Health Service is on the brink of collapse.
In that process it was profitable to destroy our industrial base and we are neither importing goods or producing them for our own use - we are a nation dependent largely on foreign sweat-labour
"Glad to see I am only a dimmo now, being called insecure was beginning to get a little tiresome."
You appear to have overlooked the "arrogant little shit bit" and displayed by your "stevie and Jimmie" never been called "jimmiue" before - how quaintly unique!!
Would it be too much of an effort for you to behave like an adult - your arrogant ill-manners really do make you look childishly silly?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:38 AM

insecure
dimmo
arrogant little shit
childish

any other insults to hurl Jimmy, or must you consult with the rest of the pack first?

and you have the audacity to ask the moderators to step in when you find the going tough.
You really are a pathetic whining oaf.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:54 AM

Iains

You cannot really chide someone for being abusive by calling them pathetic, whining or an oaf.

If you want this to stop you need to set an example.

Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:58 AM

Shaw should be along shortly to defend his pack mate by attacking you with his usual gormless repartee.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:01 AM

If you want this to stop you need to set an example.

Lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:02 AM

Raggytash...Jim is beyond that, check back on his posting history, almost every post is littered with insults and anger.

At one time calling other members Fascist or Racist was a serious matter usually receiving a warning from admin.
Now these insults and many others have become commonplace.
I myself have been subjected to years of abuse due to my views on homosexual "marriage"....a lot of it from Jim and his buddies.

I will say in your favour you never did join in that unseemly campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:10 AM

I think the worst perpetrator of abuse on this forum is Teribus, and I know before you suggest it Mea Culpa.

Some time ago I tried to get a line draw. The response I got was in the negative.

Jim, probably more than any of us, has suffered this abuse for years, it is no surprise that he reacts.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:24 AM

Bloody fog again both ways to Truro and back to get me car back from Vospers (they lent me one while they were fixing mine). I'm boggle-eyed with peering through murk and glare and I'm in a bad mood. Bloody roadworks on the A30 at Temple didn't help. So watch it, everybody. Especially nearly all of you.

Mind you, me motor's fixed, didn't cost me a bomb and runs as smooth as a baby's bum. So, I was thinking to myself, life isn't just a vale of tears. Then I came back to this thread. Wheeee!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Stu
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:28 AM

I like whelks.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:35 AM

"Socialism is great in theory. The only problem is it CAN be realized!"
-Ephraim Kishon

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:36 AM

Knock knock.


Who's there?


Whale, kipper, whelk.


Whale kipper whelk who?


[sings] Whale kipper whelk-ome in the hillsides...

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:56 PM

"insecure
dimmo
arrogant little shit
childish"
I am responding to the insulting arrogance that you have displayed from day one.
Your pathetic right wing mate seems to be quite happy to spring to your defence while ignoring your own strutting behaviour - and you say we are a - what - pack!!!
You whinge about being insulted and in the same posting you say "You really are a pathetic whining oaf."
You have presented yourself as crudely arrogant and insulting from day one
I have answered your points carefully and patiently - each time to choose to ignore them
Fine by me - they are for those who will listen and respond to them
Ake chooses to take yuour side, I'm relieved to say; he also sides with bobab - one of the most hysterically insulting Trolls on this forums who has been instructed to control his behaviour officially on several occasions
You make a grand little team between you - keep up the good work
I'm proud of my posting history - yes - I do become passionate about things which concern me, but I make a point of not avoiding questions and I attempt t provide documented evidence to back everything I say.
No pacts of silence from this side of the fance
Now
My chosen title is "Jim Carroll" - not "jimmy" or "jimbo" or any other partitioning title
If I run with a "pack", I'd rather is was one made up of intelligent, humane individuals rather that=n the shabby bunch of Blackshirts that you choose to associate with.
You want to argue - argue - you want to substitute insults that you wouldn't have the balls to say to anybody's face, from the safety of distance and anonymity, I'd much rather you sought your own company and not mine
Grow up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 01:16 PM

Iains
I've selected a sample of your arrogant and insulting posting from the thread on which you chose to defend mass-murderer Assad
Keep up your ill-mannered and childish behaviour and I'll start from the beginning and enjoy selecting more examples.
Jim Carroll

Well mr patronising red
Can I make that any clearer?
plenty more if you insist on boring everyone.
the President is way more important than you steve. This may come as a surprise to you but there you go.
Why be bashful Mr Red. The rest of the pack seem to be in fine form.
As I said, the pack is in fine form. You have just admirably confirmed it. I presume you have to cluster together as you are incapable of acting in isolation, and have run out of anything sensible to say.
How sad that your fixation on monopolising every thread means you have to resort to drivelling when the idea box is empty.
although your arrogance may lead you to think that you do.
You decide stevie. I deliberately phrased it for you to exhibit your "skills".
Jim you are floundering. Allegations need verification. Simples!
Does the same apply to stories in the Dandy and Beano?
It seems that, like Jim, you are peddling false news. Go and sit on the naughty step.
Steve it is only a person like you would make an issue of the source of the joke. Some of us have more important things to do. Anyway I get a lot more sense off the sheep on the mountain than from you. A nice bracing day for checking on sheep.
raggedytashy I do not need a twin to post on here. You may feel the need for help;- i do not.
It seems you are the one that insists on spilling the paintbox all over the page. That is puerile!
I decided to not waste my time any further. I do not possess an anorak so do not feel I can make any contribution to the thread at present.
Happy anoraking!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:05 PM

Jim, if you make a real effort to be civil along with your den buddies, others might reciprocate in like fashion. The ball is in your court. I have attempted being civil and it just draws more insults,
Try doing as you would be done by.
If you feel the need to refine your cut and paste skill set, feel free.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:56 PM

The only civil you know, Iains, is that town in Andalucía whose team just beat Leicester 2-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 05:22 PM

Bugger. 2-1!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:27 PM

"Jim, if you make a real effort to be civil along with your den buddies"
Iains
If you cant address people as an adult, go find a playgroung somewhere - you have no place here.
Your anonymous cowardly insulting is somewhat pathetic from somebody who ciuts-'n-pastese chunks from the net and tries to pass it off as his own, talking down to people as he does so.
My first encounter with you was to be told I was naive and did not know what I was talking about - no explanation - no argument - just arrogance - you began this nastiness - you have persisted throughout.
I pasted up sixteen examples you your insulting arrogance from one thread - not bad froms omeone who has cut-'n-pasted everything and shown no deep knowledge of anything
If you keep your cyber-bullying up you will either start to wreck threads or somebody will ask that you be disciplined
You'll have to stand in a queue if you wish to be considered a know-all - we already have our full quota of them.
You might make some headway if you respond to some of thie information I put up rather than blustering and bullshitting.
Jim Carroll
In the meantime – a few more examples of the way you have got yourself into a rut by talking down to people rather than offering arguments
Virtually all of these have been in response to straightforward argument

Jim if that last rant was aimed at me perhaps you should study yourself closely in a mirror. and clean up your spelling and preferably your laguage.
D the G you can always light the blue touch paper and run, or see if the remote control will operate a tasar!
Your simplistic world view is wrong, dangerous and pathetic. Typical armchair posturing by a person that knows nothing of reality.
Jim you are living in a cocoon.
I am beginning to think your grasp of the "big picture" must be because a 5 year old kiddie's colouring book was used as your template.
I see you are resorting to the red paintbrush and the blue paintbrush again. Was there not a song about toothbrushes that probably matches your mindset?
You remind me of a conversation by Aragorn in Lord of the Rings where he is saying that certain people in the Shire disparaged him, little realizing just what was occurring just outside their borders. You strike me as being one of those hobbits. I have yet to decide if you are merely a halfling or a halfwit.
Well Steve if that is your best effort at a riposte you disappoint me.
Your report card for this term will be "must try harder"
A little festive music. Since trolling is the only counter argument you appear to offer. Here is a little toon to skip along home to.
Hmmmm mr Shaw we are being sanctimonious today, Is that you in full schoolmaster mode. If so please spare us.
Hello Steve. Are you listening?
I have introduced a couple of spelling mistakes for you to correct, just to make you feel better. Then you can jump back into that little cocoon that you have convinced yourself is reality.
I actually feel quite sorry for you.
You must have an ego the size of a bus trying to dictate what others do, or think on this forum. With your conceit I would have thought you would create your own blog instead of trying for the world record of ranting on this forum.
Well Steve among your other failings would appear to be both the ability to read and comprehend. It must be time for you to have your hot chocolate and go bed.
Mr Shaw you really must hide your jealousy, it is becoming embarrassing
and stevie wonder I can use a dictionary to obtain a definition, don't believe I need anyone else to help
Perhaps both you and Jim could ask the den mother to explain it all to you.
Jim a rabid socialist such as yourself must be politically uneducated as history demonstrates socialism has failed to succeed anywhere that it has been tried. Therefore you consistently back a loser:- not the mark of an educated man.
Perhaps your brain needs to flip few synapses steve. You seem to have a reality disconnect(again)

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:06 PM

Now Trump's begun a new campaign in the Bathroom War. Hell, even DeVos was against his stupidity. Apparently she was overruled by Nathan Bedford Sessions.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 04:16 AM

Jim congratulations on the cut and paste. I could do with a clearer attribution, otherwise others may think you plagiarised me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 06:47 AM

Iains
Congratulations on your ill mannered and childish rudeness and your obvious intention to continue
I look forward to putting up more
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 06:53 AM

Feel free.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 07:07 AM

If you do continue to behave in the ill-brought-up mnner you are doing, I shall report you and ask that you be requested to stop or be expelled from this forum
YLoutish behaviour like yours fucks up threads
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 07:40 AM

Go and bully elsewhere jimmy

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 07:54 AM

Jimmy the little fascist showing his true colours again - if you're losing the argument silence the opponent.......pathetic!

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:11 AM

The Trump mind is far more simple.

Lying has been his primary negotiating tool in business. In the few instances it hasn't worked, it worked most of the time.

In the lying universe you just reject the reality you do not want, no matter how real that reality is. Sometimes he deliberately knows the difference and sometimes he does not.

This is the fundamental symptom of a psychopath.

He knows having his kids around him to moderate this psychopathy is a safety valve but often this strategy comes too late or is absent during his stealth tweeting hours.



Jim learn to paraphrase and your writing will improve and become more powerful and succinct. It is not plagiarizing.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:21 AM

Iains has gone to the most central issue, bullying.

Good liberals are never so illiberal as when they disrespect, criticize and denigrate the messenger of conservatism.

What a good Liberal thinks is a good idea to bully only causes the conservative too become so strident as to go beyond conservatism and into the realm of fascism which was never his intention.

Until all you good liberals learn how to respect the person of various viewpoints they will always be part of a worsening polarization and hate machine that only makes things more mean and extreme.

That goes for most of you, usual suspects or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:29 AM

That Being said, I support the New Deal of FDR which is what the modern conservative movement was founded to undo along with all their thinktanks.

If a conservative does not know this they are ignorant and lost in a turbulent sea of blind hate of liberals.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:30 AM

You're right Donuel and the easiest way to spot a bully is to observe how they react when someone stands up to them, it never fails.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:06 AM

"Jimmy the little fascist showing his true colours again -#
Abnd Bobad the Kapo antisemite is showing his trollism again
I am not bullying - I am trying to stop someone else doing so.
Teribus is already our resident bully - we don't need another one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 09:07 AM

they disrespect, criticize and denigrate the messenger of conservatism.

We're not talking - and never have been, Donuel- about "conservatism".

Its about the messenger of lies, exagerations, myth, fabrication, racism, Islamophobia, corporatism, plutocracy & all the rest of the unpalatable and disgusting traits of the current administration & its supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:22 AM

Then we should discuss what it means to be a conservative verses being a xenophobic Nazi alt right white nationalist America first extremist..

Pulling back from the lure of the alt right by low information voters is important.

The lies being told makes America sound like it is 1/2 illegal aliens, 1/2 Real Americans, 1/2 outside agitators and 1/2 George Soros/Obama money. :^)

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:42 AM

Then we should discuss what it means to be a conservative verses being a xenophobic Nazi alt right white nationalist America first extremist..

ABSOLUTELY!

So now, over to the Trumpist defenders of the lying xenophobic Nazi alt right white nationalist America first extremists:

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:13 AM

According to David Frum Trump's staff use Breitbart, Washington Examiner, Fox News, Infowars and the Daily Caller to show Trump positive coverage and try to keep him away from Twitter.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:26 AM

So the staff feed him bullshit. This is news?

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:18 PM

Jim you dish out a lot of heat but very little light. Have you tried counting to ten before you hit send? Try a hundred.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:19 PM

One should avoid eating BullShit.

Only mushrooms that are kept in the dark eat that stuff

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 05:40 PM

If you see an orange, warty toad hopping around Washington after tomorrow night it will have worked:

Tomorrow night, February 24th, starting at one minute to midnight and going on for six minutes until 12:05 AM, a group of witches will perform a binding spell on Donald Trump and those who enable him outside of Trump Tower, or wherever they happen to be:

Witches plan mass hexing of Donald Trump tomorrow night outside Trump Tower

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 06:12 PM

How Shakespearean.

Well it is a tragedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 06:24 PM

Hexing, schmexing.

Alan Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman & Tuli Kupferberg are no longer with us, but I think both Ed Sanders and Ken Weaver are still around - maybe we can get 'em to LEVITATE the goddam Trump Tower! Right into the East River.

Subject: RE: BS: Why I Love Twitler And His Lies
From: bobad
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 06:31 PM

Just like they did the pentagon which ended the Viet Nam war..........eventually.