BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?

Subject: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 12:10 PM

a pity the hunting thread was closed. i think it was about to be revealed....

the humble farmer or the noble savage....

i wouldn't trust either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 12:19 PM

And who killed the short-nosed bear?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 12:31 PM

Cannot fathom why the "hunting" thread was closed - ours not to reason why. Pretty soon we will soon run out of interesting topics to discuss.
Perhaps they should put up a list or permitted subjects and permitted points of view - it would make things so much simpler.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 12:32 PM

I think that's the WOOLlY mammoth. But the hairy one's likely dead, too. Unless he's wherever Elvis is.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 01:06 PM

Humans, climate change, impact events, or a combination of factors.
The short answer is that nobody knows for certain. Lots of theory and peer reviewed papers but no absolute certainties. Most died out 10,000 years ago, but one tiny population lasted on Wrangel Island until 1650 BCE
   Researchers have analyzed the stomach contents of well preserved carcasses of mammoths, woolly rhinos and ancient horses, as well as preserved feces. Those contained a similar variety of plants to the ones in the permafrost – mostly forbs. Previously their presence had been downplayed because they do not register significantly in the pollen record. However analysis of ice cores(200) from Alaska and the yukon revealed DNA of these plants. The DNA analysis also showed that the vegetation changed dramatically around 10,000 years ago, when the Arctic grew warmer and wetter, giving rise to the tundra we know today, dominated by grasses and woody plants.
"Most of the evidence suggests these large mammals disappear almost at the same time these vegetation changes were taking place,"
Let battle commence!

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 01:11 PM

Cannot fathom why the "hunting" thread was closed

That's on one of the main reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 01:12 PM

It wasn't me!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 01:18 PM

An interesting alternative view. Although I have no idea how mainstream the conclusions are. The dates present a bit of a conundrum.

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/41/16016.full

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 01:19 PM

If I recall, there's a plaque on a building in Ilford where they dug one up..

What happened to the Essex mammoths...????

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: olddude
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 02:13 PM

Me, I admit it bbq mammoth steak on the grill with my weatherby 300 mag

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 02:17 PM

Was it this one?

http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/oth/aveley.html

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 02:47 PM

Another unsubstantiated rumour is that a big boy did it and ran away , so there

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 05:08 PM

OK, so I admit it. It was me after all. Mea Culpa. In my defense, he was a complete bastard.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 05:59 PM

you see Iains sorted it.

THey ate the the wrong kind of heather.

Same thing could easily happen to the grouse (or grice). but luckily we have posh gits who want to shoot it, and keep it safe from the fate of the hairy mammoth.

theres a lesson for us all there.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 08:00 PM

So the plaque I remember has been nicked in the 17 years since I left East London to move back to south west scrumpyshire..

But now there's a new one...

http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/heritage/where-mammoths-roamed-plaque-unveiled-to-mark-the-site-of-ilford-prehistoric-finds


No joke... googling "Ilford mammoth plaque" reveals that...

"Ilford is one of the world's foremost sites for fossils"...!!!!!


So were Essex mammoths blonde and draped in bling...???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 08:05 PM

buggeration, the link doesn't work with blue clicky,
but it's near the top of google results for "ilford mammoth plaque"...

btw..

Barking History Society...

"The Ilford brick pits, mammoths of Ilford, TQ43718609

Notes compiled by Gerald Lucy for Essex Field Club website


Recent research has revealed that the mammoths of Ilford (at least from Uphall Pit) are not, as was thought, an early form of the familiar woolly mammoth, Mammuthus primigenius , but a late and slightly smaller form of the 'steppe mammoth' Mammuthus trogontherii. This conclusion has been reached by studying the molar teeth which have fewer enamel 'plates' and are therefore more 'primitive' - something that did not go unnoticed by Antonio Brady. It is thought that this particular form of steppe mammoth, now often referred to as the 'Ilford' mammoth, was unique to this interglacial stage (the MIS 7 interglacial) and may have been the only type of mammoth living in Britain at this time; the more specialised woolly mammoth, with teeth adapted to cope with abrasive grasses common in colder climates, not arriving in Britain until later.

Ilford is one of the world's foremost sites for fossils but, apart from the plaque in Ilford Lane and the items in Redbridge Museum, there is nothing here to commemorate this. An initiative known as 'The Ilford Mammoth Project' is aiming to change this by erecting a life-size bronze sculpture of a mammoth on the Eastern Roundabout (Griggs Approach). The project is supported by several prominent names in the world of palaeontology and a team of enthusiasts is currently engaged in raising the funds and obtaining the necessary permission. Further information can be found at www.theimponline.com.
"

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: olddude
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 08:05 PM

Next it is that Bigfoot bastard.. Oh he will be mine oh yes he will be mine.. Bigfoot bbq my place

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Aug 17 - 08:08 PM

Is it true that frozen mammoths have on occasion been thawed out, cooked, and eaten...???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 04:22 AM

There are mammoths that have been found to have evidence of cut marks on the bones. Human predation too. So the mammoths had a double whammy going on.

But did they put one in the freezer?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 04:24 AM

Old

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141124074841.htm

and new

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57100/time-250000-year-old-mammoth-was-served-dinner

I think I might have declineed the main course, had I been there.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 04:37 AM

Big Al. "THey ate the the wrong kind of heather."

No, that answer is just too easy.

I only just learnt this myself in t'other thread that hit a roadblock.

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/geography/research/projects/ice_age_ecosystems_and_the_story_of_the_megafauna.page


It looks a convincing argument, but is it the truth? Anyway a bit more on the mini mammoths of Wrengel Island

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/25/us/dwarf-mammoths-may-have-put-off-demise.html

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 04:57 AM

Isn't some work being done to clone Wooly Mammoths from DNA found in frozen samples.

They may be back on the menu at some point in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 05:36 AM

Woolly Mammoth Resurrection

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 05:42 AM

One possible reason for the demise is that they simply had a bad hair day.

Silky Hair

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 05:46 AM

so sad - wouldn't it be lovely if we had woolly mammoths and hairy mammoths and dwarf mammoths running round, visiting you in the back garden, having a shit on the lawn?

when you backed out of the drive, you'd have to check the mirror for mammoths.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 05:52 AM

this idea of shagging an elephant with mammoth DNA...i do hope they don't close down this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 11:14 AM

What your friendly neighbourhood mammoth scoffed.


https://evolve.community.uaf.edu/2016/04/26/dna-helps-piece-together-ancient-ice-age-vegetation/

Recent research tends to suggest that relying purely on pollen analysis for reconstructing past vegetation patterns gives a skewed result."While the data agree on a biome shift from dry steppe to wet tundra, the environmental DNA and pollen data were butting heads on the dominant plant type"
(I wonder if raising the above point closes this thread also?)

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Stu
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 11:34 AM

Climate change.

Also, dwarf mammoths only died out around 4,000 years ago, no evidence it was hunted by humans either, but managed to hold on in the island due to adaptive changes to the Holocene environment and a relict tundra-steppe flora perhaps surviving there. Paper here: Holocene dwarf mammoths from Wrangel Island in the Siberian Arctic

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 02:01 PM

Big Al. If you really want them in your back garden you are probably better off with the diddy ones. I wonder if they would do the same number on the grass in winter as wild boar?


https://jellereumer.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2007-cfs-259-mammoth-extinction.pdf
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/gigantism-and-dwarfism-islands.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3385739/

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 02:24 PM

Pocket sized / tabletop mammoths would be great...
right size for a hamster cage, or more elaborate climate controlled eco vivarium...

I'm actually being serious...
My mrs would love that.....

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Aug 17 - 02:51 PM

a bonsai mammoth!

damn clever these Japanese!

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 11:30 AM

With apologies to those "magnificant men and their flying machines"
"they grow up tiddly up up, they grow down tiddly down down"


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/06/from-giant-rats-to-dwarf-elephants-island-living-changes-mammals

Maybe there are super rats in the London sewers. Anyone fancy a safari down them?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 11:59 AM

Hardcore brexiteers read Iains latest link and take note...

" In mammals, one of the most dramatic responses to an insular environment is a change in body size. First noted in 1964, this pattern of body size changes in insular mammals became known as the "Island Rule". Although it is not a true rule, it describes a trend in which small mammals increase in size (insular gigantism), whereas large mammals will become smaller (insular dwarfism)....
Island species respond to this ecological release by losing adaptations that were necessary on the mainland, and evolve new ones by adaption to their new island home, which can result in a cascade of changes in behaviour, reproduction, population dynamics and anatomy."

Too many indigenous British are already pudgy past-faced stunty specimens at best...
We need the healthy genes of much more attractive foreign races to prevent us devolving even further down the uglyometric scale... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 12:03 PM

Correction: pasty-faced [definition: complexion like a a typical ukip member]

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 12:53 PM

I wonder if my bank balance will suffer from dwarfisn or gigantism after Brexit?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 01:05 PM

we had a mammoth in Nottinghamshire at Creswell Crags.
I'm not sure if it was hairy or woolly.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 17 - 08:30 AM

Just read that Mammoths were closer relative to Asian ELephants than African Elephants are

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 17 - 09:07 AM

wonder what they doing in a cave near Clowne in Derbyshire?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Aug 17 - 11:22 AM

..what you think maybe they were up to no good...???
That sort of thing still goes on in the sand dunes behind the golf course down this way....

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 05:15 AM

"until 1650 BCE" - what on earth does that mean??

It's either BC or AD.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 05:33 AM

Not any longer Bonzo. Why should non christians, the majority of the whole global population, use christian terminology as a base for calculating the age of anything.

BCE, Before Common Era, replaces potentially divisive language.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 05:40 AM

I understand the BC/BCE in a way, but the same argument applies to AD. While CE exists as a term, it is less common in my experience. Maybe AD is so familar CE sounds too forced. Or maybe Latin is less offensive *smile*

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Ernest
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 05:55 AM

"Before common time" suggests that OUR time is common while that of other cultures is ...ehm...uncommon. Neglecting for instance that the Chinese people outnumber Europeans by far.

Doesn`t sound much better to me.

Looks like politcal correctness has miserably failed.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:10 AM

"B.C.E./C.E. …do not presuppose faith in Christ and hence are more appropriate for interfaith dialog than the conventional B.C./A.D."

Common Era notation is used in many schools and academic settings.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:21 AM

I don't really go along with that argument. Choosing a point in time as an origin and naming it in some way does not necessitate believe the person it was named after existed. And that is a heck of a long way from having a specific faith. It is a name that encodes something of our history, just as the days of the week do. I can call a day Thursday without having faith in Thor.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:28 AM

Do people in France call the day Thursday, do people in China call the day Thursday ............

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:40 AM

when you're a hairy mammoth you can call it Thursday, and few will disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:42 AM

The claim was that calling the date BC/AD necitated a faith in Christ. That is what i diasagree with. Whether everyone calls it BC/AD, BCE/ce or just - and + doesn't both me. It is important scientifically we have an agreed point and if calling it by one name disturbs some people I am content to call it something else. The name is not the thing itself.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:43 AM

Too true Al :-)

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Stanron
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:49 AM

Acknowledging a person's date of birth is not the same as accepting their set of beliefs. But it is acknowledging that they existed and that their beliefs are a part of the lives of a lot of people.

Another example of attempted historical revisionism.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:50 AM

Whether you go along with the argument or not is a total irrelevancy.
The abbreviation is prevalent and unlikely to go away. It is vital there is a fixed datum point for dating. The who,what,why,when,where of it's determination is trivial, the essential thing is that it exists and can be understood by all without any potential political/religious baggage attached.
To make it "before present" would become meaningless rapidly.
Perhaps you would like each religion to have their own unique dating system to be used. That will work well in the digital and satellite age. It would be like trying to construct railway timetables when every town and village kept it's own unique time.(the railways brought about standard time in the uk, the alternative was chaos)

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 06:59 AM

You misunderstand, Iains. I can agree with a conclusion without thinking all the arguments for it are good. In this specific case I am satisfied with the BCE system because I can see the case for a common agreed standard. It is the argument about 'faith' that i find poor. To give another analogy: the length of the metre was based on the position of Paris. I can agree with the idea of a metre (whose defonition has changed many times) without getting hot under the collar about whether Paris as a good choice.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 07:26 AM

I guess when you've seen one Lion catch an elephant, you've seen a maul

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 07:27 AM

DMcG I hear what you say. In reality many units of measurement contain elements of conflict. The French were not too impressed with 0Longitude going through Greenwich. In reality it should perhaps have gone through
Barrow in Lincolnshire where John Harrison first played with clocks. He constructed the first chronometer making accurate determination of longitude possible. Our calendar and week names are beset with heathen origins, but I doubt anyone really thinks about it anymore. Even Christmas has more heathen overtones than christianity, but it is still a hell of an excuse to party.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 07:51 AM

The Mammoths were wide spread. You can still find their remains in upstate NY. The mystery is that the Mammoths in Siberia were flash frozen so that they were frozen in mid chew. They were frozen in seconds in a climate event we have not witnessed in historic times.
Theories try to explain this freezing phenomenon but to my knowledge it remains a bona fide mystery.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 09:54 AM

Going all the way back to the original posted question: there's no way to answer that until we know which hairy mammoth we're referring to.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 09:55 AM

Donuel have a read of the book "The cycle of cosmic catastrophes"
and also.
https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/maps/article/viewFile/15757/15745

It outlines a possible mechanism for supercooling and flash freezing. I do not know how many followers it has gathered though.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Stanron
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 10:27 AM

A super deep deposit of snow could have suffocated them.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 10:48 AM

Perhaps Siberian mammoths became fashion conscious and began shaving & waxing just before a deadly cold snap hit hard...???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 11:50 AM

PFR it gives a whole new meaning to killer fashions.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Aug 17 - 04:33 PM

it will be great when they bring them back - there are several fields round here they will be very happy in. you can see them now - if you adjust your medication.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 03:45 AM

According to the daily wail mammoths liked to go on long hikes in the countryside to build up an appetite.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4824670/Mammoths-roamed-Texas-traveled-120-miles.html

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 08:31 AM

I wonder if Hannibal elephants were really Mammoths (Elephantidae)
No doubt someone will correct me.
and if they could also sing would it be similar to :-

Colonel Hathi's March

Hup 2, 3, 4
Keep it up 2, 3, 4
Company sound off!
Sung:
Oh, the aim of our patrol
Is a question rather droll
For to march and drill
over field and hill
Is a military goal!
Is a military goal!
Spoken:
Hup 2, 3, 4
Dress it up 2, 3, 4
Hup 2, 3, 4
Dress it up 2, 3, 4
Sung:
By the ranks or single file
Over every jungle mile
Oh we stamp and crush
Through the underbrush
In a miritaly style!
In a military style!
Spoken:
Hup 2, 3, 4
Keep it up 2, 3, 4

Read more: Sherman Richard M - Colonel Hathi's March (the Elephant Song) Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 10:14 AM

You can buy Mammoth ivory dirt cheap if you don't mind dark cadaver smelling tusks.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 10:28 AM

Human predation is a highly plausible contributory factor to the demise of the mammoths..
But it could also be possible that human contact lead to partial taming of these magnificent beasts.
Little tribal girls might have gone out of control styling the mammoths long wooly hair into all sorts curls, plaits, buns, pigtails, ect...
Fussing about so much with ribbons and flowers and dyes,
that these noble creatures eventually lost the will to exist and perished in sheer shame.....???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 01:25 PM

Human predation and poaching of elephants ranged from 2,000 to 6,000 per year. Then 105 tons of tusk ivory confiscated from poachers was burned with the eyes of the world watching. The average number of poaching went down to 60 per year. 2 million dollars up in smoke but elephant families saw end to a holocaust. Now they are murdered at a rate familiar to humans.

The Trump kids have culled various herds of different species in Africa as ambassador conservationists.
It kinda makes you proud to be an American.

They have yet to evolve from being bored and trying new novelties for a thrill, into learning the value of nuance over novelty - you know like J.S. Bach did with old fashioned Baroque music enhanced to a brand new level of expertise.

Going on Safari with tactical nukes might be a whole new world for the Trump kids. Time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 01:40 PM

theres quite a lot of alpacas in a field near here. in a few years perhaps they and the mammoths will be anglicised, play cricket, drink cider and sing folksongs.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 01:53 PM

I rather think Mammoths may be more inclined to Rugby Union, if England could get a team of them together they may even put the wind up the All Blacks (the very successful New Zealand teams for our American cousins)

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 04:22 PM

About 1 in 6 rescues are of people's pet dog.

That makes wonder how the https://www.houstonzoo.org/meet-the-animals/ animals are doing.

I bet the giraffe is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 05:44 PM

Giraffe's are insincere

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 07:13 PM

Insincere? That's like saying
Weasels are wise winners, but I like it.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Aug 17 - 09:13 PM

I'd be more inclined to depend on a hedgehog.. they're not spineless....

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Aug 17 - 02:26 AM

The monkeys stand for honesty
Giraffes are insincere
And the elephants are kindly but they're dumb
Orangutans are skeptical
Of changes in their cages
And the zookeeper is very fond of rum

Read more: Simon And Garfunkel - At The Zoo Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: JHW
Date: 28 Aug 17 - 04:38 AM

"Ilford is one of the world's foremost sites for fossils"

Heard about dendrologists last week (on the wireless)
They are expert in dating ancient wooden objects

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Aug 17 - 07:54 AM

Who killed the hairy mammoth..................


Not me miss, I was in our house watching Banana Splits

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:13 PM

so is it a hairy mammoth
or
a woolly mammoth?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:18 PM

Nah, Woolly Mammoths you buy from Woolworths!!

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Mr Red
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 03:34 AM

But Hairy Mammouth sounds a bit like a Trump with a beard.
Or a Smirken Merkin.
Or both, (spot the distinction!).

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 05:16 AM

Fluffy Mammoth...... on a bad hair day...

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 06:26 AM

"Heard about dendrologists last week (on the wireless)
They are expert in dating ancient wooden objects "

I'd love to see them tackle a bit of MDF.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 12:26 PM

Wasn't there an Agatha Christie called who killed Mary Hammoth?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 12:30 PM

Any relation to Betty Swollox, Dave?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 12:42 PM

Been using B.C.E. and C.E. for years. It's a case of "Correct Correctness"

Meanwhile, should I buy those old fashioned Roman coins I'm being offered with the dates XC B.C. on them?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 12:09 PM

its a pity whoever killed the mammoth, killed them all.

perhaps it was the work of a mammothicidal maniac......

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 01:10 PM

Given the present level of cloning, we have the ability to recreate both the mammoths and the passenger pigeon ( large supplies of the intact DNA are available )


Moa DNA is a little harder to find, and I think the dodo scraps were destroyed during WW II.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 03:49 PM

If you were a Mammoth and you caught a rhino virus cold in the nose,
you may have been a goner.

Do Dos were a delicious tender blend of chicken, duck and bacon mmmmmmmm

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 05:49 PM

There could be a dry do do beak somewhere on Earth?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 05:51 PM

"If you were a Mammoth and you caught a rhino virus cold in the nose,
you may have been a goner."

Not necessarily. You may have just ended up with a tusk and a half.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 17 - 06:19 PM

"weatherby 300 mag"? Nay, nay! It's all about shot placement. >;-) That's overkill. Dirty Thirty. Iron sights. You could even use one of those fancy new 22 centre fires but the bullets cost too much. Fuckin' yuppies with their newfangled high tech BS. Sitting over bait with their $1000 guns and $1000 optics. But... a 300W would make a short drag so, I'm cool with it. Whatever fills your BBQ.

When I was boy, we used sticks with ends sharpened by fire... when we could find fire. Oh, it was easy when the weather was dry. But, when the fall and winter set in, fire wasn't easy to come by. Unless there was a corner store near by where we could buy matches and Bic lighters. Times were tough.

In any case, bear season opened here today. Tight lines and straight shooting to all who like to eat wild (free range) meat and are ethical hunters. Sight in and flip the switch.... what you don't buy at the grocery store is helping to stop inhumane practices.

BTW... I still buy at the grocery... I can't hunt anymore. Sue me.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 03:14 AM

we have the ability to recreate both the mammoths and the passenger pigeon

What if they crossed the two? Be a bugger if they shit on you...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 11:35 AM

And the flocks from horizon to horizon would be a lot fewer individuals, if they were "hairy passenger mammoth pigeons" ( or should that be "mammoth hairy passenger pigeons" ? )



But the last known living dodo was taken to Germany circa 1760 . The drawing in the plates of the 18th century Chamber's Encyclopaedia ( and used by Lewis Carrol) is of that animal.

Stuffed after it died, thought to be destroyed by WW II bombing. There may very well be beaks and claws around, but nothing like the amount of Mammoth and Passenger pigeon remains.


And they probably taste a lot like Emu ( which, if you have ever seen a flock of, do NOT need to be crossed with hairy or any other kind of mammoth!) A flock of nine foot tall nasty birds with 4-6 inch spikes on the feet is not to be trifled with!

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 11:44 AM

I just bit my tongue eating an orange ice lolly and talking to the mrs.. it's sore and bleeding... [blood orange ice lolly...???]

Makes you wonder how Sabre Tooth Tigers coped when not concentrating properly whilst eating quickly...???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 11:45 AM

Checking refs, I may be mistaken about Emus. The flock of birds that I remember were as described, but might have been a different flightless bird- But they were at least 3 feet taller than I was at the time- ( at about age 30). And two sets of 8 ft. high wire fences did NOT make me feel safe.

And I have eaten emu. Not like chicken at all.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 12:10 PM

It used to be you needed a hair follicle to extract a bit of DNA and not just the hair made of keratin. A beak would be similar except for its 'root'. Then I heard or misheard a regular hair without the follicle can reveal DNA. I'm confused.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 06:27 PM

if they got a DNA profile of the Mammoth in Derbyshire and compared it to the one in Africa - they could see if they were related.

From this they could work out if they used to hang around the same low life bars, and this might lead them to the serial killer they fell victim to.

From watching many police procedural programmes, i have been able to draw up a profile.

Basically we are looking for a low achiever with self esteem problems. i think he has a collection of weapons. He uses pornography, wears animal skins and the other people in his cave think he is an okay guy, but rather introverted.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Sep 17 - 01:53 PM

Who was it who remarked,
that the dinosaurs of old with their solidly reptilian nervous systems,
had counterparts today,
not amongst the reptiles,
but the birds? that there are birds much like old dinosaurs?

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Sep 17 - 02:22 PM

yes i've been out with birds like that.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 17 - 04:06 PM

keberoxu. Here is one hell of a chicken!

t:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.607358

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Iains
Date: 03 Sep 17 - 04:43 PM

It was not a who that killed them but a restricted menu for lunch.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24499916

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 17 - 07:14 PM

You need Stu on the job here, but birds are indeed the direct descendants of one major branch of the dinosaurs. There's a school of thought that the extinction of the dinosaurs is, at least in part, a myth, and that birds are actually dinosaurs. I read somewhere that ducks are pretty close to the dinosaur ancestry. Mrs Steve gets bloody annoyed when I tell her that I'm just going outside to top up the dinosaur feeders. I feel that her objections have no substance.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:03 AM

Horton heard a Who.
The evidence suggests that some dinosaurs, at least, were warm blooded.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 05:43 AM

i'm a hairy mammoth
My life is very bad
They've run out of my sandwiches
And that makes me sad

Theres a caveman out to get me
Hit me with his club.
he only does it when i'm pissed.
he waits outside the pub.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 07:21 AM

Considering it's a miracle the panda actually isn't already extinct because of it's almost complete indifference to reproduction..

Could it be, the Mammoths also lost all interest in sex, maybe because of the cold weather and unromantic surroundings,
and found it easier to just pretend to have constant headaches...???

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Stu
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 07:39 AM

Thanks Steve, and you're correct when you say you're going to feed the dinosaurs!

Birds are theropod dinosaurs related to the famous Velociraptor and T. rex. Most of the characteristics we associate with birds evolved in non-avian dinosaurs first: feathers, probably flight, wishbone etc etc all were present before birds appeared. Modern birds appeared before the end of the Cretaceous and are one of several lineages that existed before the K-T extinction.

With over 10,000 species of bird still alive today, we're still in the age of the dinosaurs. I'm pretty sure they'll be here long after we've gone.

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 08:21 AM

The last Mammoths were probably a victim of climate change. They were found on an island that could have cut them off from the mainland with rising seas. Natural selection kept the smallest versions alive by not dying of starvation by depleting a limited food source.

Unrelated to the last island Mammoths, island bears became larger as they succeeded. Today the largest known bear is the Kodiak Island bear. This goes against the rules of Islands selecting smaller animals possibly because of an innate swimming ability by bears.

Or feasting on miniature mammoths?

naaa, they probably inbreed themselves to death like rich royalty



http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/03/03/on-arctic-island-last-woolly-mammoths-had-genetic-meltdown.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/science/woolly-mammoth-extinct-genetics.html?mcubz=1

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 11:27 AM

"lost all interest in sex, maybe because of the cold weather"

Since when is it COLD weather that discourages mating?

When the weather's hot and sticky,
that's no time for dunkin' dicky;
When the frost is on the punkin,
That's the time for dicky dunkin'

Subject: RE: BS: who killed the hairy mammoth?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 11:57 AM

"Since when is it COLD weather that discourages mating?"

well speaking for me and the mrs..

when she starts moaning about being freezing despite having the central heating on full,
and wears 2 hideous impenetrable fleece onesies, one under the other, in bed... 🙄