BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 08:44 AM

PFR. A likely story! Be interesting to see how the media treat Irma,
that is still developing and nowhere near landfall yet. The hype has already started. But to be fair it has the potential to be horrendous.


http://grist.org/article/hurricane-irma-is-a-monster-storm-heres-where-it-might-be-headed/

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 09:07 AM

(1) Before mass air freight, cities needed to be built near the sea for commerce.
(2) In the case of USA, before building the Panama Canal, the East (Hurricane) coast was settled first as the West Coast - until the American interior was crossed by the rail network - could only be reach (from Europe)by rounding Cape Horn or Cape of Good Hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 09:08 AM

Well, Iains, you do seem to rely an awful lot on the media for your chosen links. Don't you trust them any more? 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Iains
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 09:18 AM

Shaw I refer you to my post of 02 Sep 17 - 07:55 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Sep 17 - 07:17 PM

Steve's the name, though please yourself. Why are you called Iains? Are there more than of you? I bloody hope not.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 03:49 PM

Must be time for your unique insights/onslaughts on Hurricane Irma as you are a "well-educated scientist, that tends to question everything and takes nothing at face value"
   We await your prognostications with baited breath! As you apparently have little faith in the media do you get your updates from a Ouija board?

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 04:11 PM

"baited breath!"
Been into the worm can again?

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 04:53 PM

Haha, you beat me to it. It's those dictionaries of his, you know. 😂

Nothing quite like the cult of the philistine...

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 06:20 PM

gillymor. Merely fishing for more of Shaw's "erudition" and shining wit.
He had gone unusually quiet for a while. Most out of character.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 06:50 PM

Wow. do get a life, Inanes.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: leeneia
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 10:36 AM

Let's change the subject.

Yesterday I saw some okra for sale at a farm stand, so I bought it and made my own Midwestern Jambalaya in honor of the Cajun Navy. I call it Midwestern because I don't bother with a roux and I leave out the hot sauce.

If you don't know what the Cajun Navy is, visit YouTube. It will be a new view of Americans.

Oh, and I changed the recipe by waiting to add the lemon until a few minutes before serving. (Zest an entire lemon, remove and discard the pith, slice the flesh thinly and stir flesh and zest into the batch.) The original recipe said to put the lemon in at the beginning, but I find that this cooks it to death.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 07:01 PM

There's nothing better or more rebellious than refusing to be a slave to a recipe. Sticking to a recipe is so abject! If a recipe calls for lemon zest, it simply has to go in at the end, as with my mackerel pâté or prawns with spaghetti, rocket, chilli and lemon.

I am worrying about Irma. I suppose there's no chance of it avoiding those little islands. I don't pray but I wish everyone in Irma's path well. I want to wake up in the morning hearing that Irma has been a damp squib. I know it isn't going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: leeneia
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:36 PM

I agree with you about Irma. The paper says it is now a Category 4 - a terrible and powerful storm.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: peteglasgow
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 02:50 AM

i live on the edge of the lake district. it would be illogical for anyone who doesn't have a tolerance for frequent rain to live here, though occasionally that tolerance is stretched a bit. we have had 2 large (7 foot and 4 foot) floods and are still here. folk suggest we move and i would like to move up the hill, though it's not easy with property values etc. and though it is difficult and scary to live through these events - we are ok and supported by local services, good local trades people a strong community and crucially, insurance. we have rebuilt 2 'new' homes that are better than previuos. it's fairly easy to get to glasgow and edinburgh for family and music and football. when we see the scenes of floods and other disasters in asia particularly or, closer to home, the large blue political desert of some parts of middle england then we know we are very lucky.
we have also learned to live with the toxic, rotten eyesore that is sellafield. thousands of well paid, pointless sinecures, a price worth paying for us cumbrians who can't be bothered to protest much or find more interesting jobs elsewhere.
i'd say humans can and probably have to, want to, live with a degree of risk, discomfort. we have lived from the arctic to the desert for 1,000s of years. some scots even manage to live with midgies

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: leeneia
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 10:27 AM

Have you considered a home on stilts?

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 07:14 PM

Hi Pete.

Leeneia, there are few houses on stilts here and most people here wouldn't be able to build their own. Thay are a very good idea in flood-prone areas, I admit.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Sep 17 - 01:37 PM

Yes, stilts look like a good idea, but you've got to have a good foundation. I wouldn't do it without an engineer. Soils along a body of water are apt to be mere layers of sand, silt, clay or gravel, possibly saturated. If you don't know what you are doing, the building could settle.

I feel that it's best not to build too close to water in the first place, but clearly there are thousands of people who do not agree with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:23 PM

Here comes Hurricane/ Tropical Storm Henri,
and this storm has the sheer effrontery
to direct itself to some coastal cities
that rarely see tropical storms or hurricanes.

Some of us will remember Hurricane Sandy, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 09:12 AM

TIPPING POINTS ARE REAL !!!!?   who knew
Extinction Level Event? huh
All over a man claiming a big lie about an election!?
Sound familiar?
Just think how GEORGE BUSH having better lawyers than Al Gore before the Supream Court destroyed an entire garden of Eden.

The Looooaard Gawd and Political Over Lards ARE NOT TRYING TO KILL US ALL by telling the stupid to not take the vaccine. They are simply raising our surviving collective IQ in the long run. mebbe
While the Darwin Effect does work slowly, we -could- be one varient away from a HUGE reduction in population which will be benificial to Climate Change, but the irreversible chain of events will only slow a bit and will continue since 25% of the Northern Hemisphere is Permafrost. That permafrost has melted! and its getting hotter. The now rotting organic matter of carbon is being released by microbes.
Permafrost is not just a thin layer, it can be as deep as coal and is not refreezing in areas over the winter. It will not matter to our kids if this observation is ignored or critisized. Were not talking about great great grand children facing extreme heat anymore, this is going to be quicker beyond anything we can do. All we can do is buy time since the irreversible carbon release will exceed all oil deposit release, forest fires, and man made control of carbon release. Sorry guys game over but some will survive Fires all the time and endless floods and dozens of hurricanes. I know this guy Zuckerberg who has an island...
Jeeze I wish someone had said somthing about TIPPING POINTS early on.

Subject: RE: BS: Why build cities in path of hurricanes?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 11:13 AM

Strange as it sounds tree growth is now booming ABOVE the artic circle which traps more heat and melts more permafrost. https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2016/11/16/where-trees-meet-tundra-decoding-signals-of-climate-change/

Trees are bad for climate in this case.
Temperatures recorded above the artic circle are as high as 100 F.
But facts be damned, eat drink and be merry.