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Subject: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 06:40 AM "The discovery that more than 6,000 people used out-of-state driver's licenses to vote in New Hampshire last November bolsters Donald Trump's claim he lost the state because thousands of Massachusetts residents came in to vote. Trump claimed in February that out-of-state voters tipped the New Hampshire election, both against him and incumbent Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte. The Boston Globe at the time dismissed his allegation as "groundless." But the vast majority of the 6,000 voters have neither obtained an in-state license nor registered a motor vehicle since the November vote, according to an inquiry by Republican Speaker of the New Hampshire House Shawn Jasper, the Washington Times reported. Hillary Clinton defeated Trump in New Hampshire by 2,736 votes while Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan defeated Ayotte by 1,017 votes. The records from the Department of State, which oversees elections, and the Department of Safety show 6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses. But as of Aug. 30, only 1014, about 15 percent, had been issued New Hampshire driver's licenses. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/09/new-evidence-backs-trump-vote-fraud-claim/#m2z85slRrlAJkiAV.99" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 06:55 AM On Nov. 8, 2016, 6,540 voters used an out-of-state driver's license as identification to vote but as of Aug. 30, 2017, only 1,014 of those individuals – 15.5 percent – had been issued a New Hampshire driver's license, according to the data. (For more information on this and other neighborhood stories, subscribe to Concord NH Patch to receive daily newsletters and breaking news alerts.) https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/5-300-fraudulent-votes-may-have-been-cast-nh-2016 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:08 AM On Nov. 8, 2016, 6,540 voters used an out-of-state driver's license as identification to vote but as of Aug. 30, 2017, only 1,014 of those individuals – 15.5 percent – had been issued a New Hampshire driver's license, according to the data. (For more information on this and other neighborhood stories, subscribe to Concord NH Patch to receive daily newsletters and breaking news alerts.) Of the remaining 5,526 individuals, only 3.3 percent – about 213 people – had a registered motor vehicle. That would leave 5,313 people who used an out-of-state license to vote but never obtained a new New Hampshire license despite being required to by state law after implying that they were establishing residency or domicile in the state to vote in November. Of the 5,313 individuals who registered to vote same-day on Election Day, 81 percent – 4,314 people – neither held a New Hampshire driver's license nor had a registered vehicle in the state ever. With the exception of the gubernatorial race – where Republican Chris Sununu easily bested Democrat Colin Van Ostern by more than 16,000 votes – Democrats won all the other statewide and Congressional races. But three races were determined by less than 5,000 votes: Gov. Maggie Hassan, a Democrat, beat incumbent U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes – although many have suspected that last minute, illegal campaign mailers pushing votes to independent Aaron Day cost Ayotte the race. Hillary Clinton bested Donald Trump by 2,736, earning the state's 4 Electoral College votes even though she ultimately lost the presidency. U.S. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter was sent back to Congress after she bested incumbent U.S. Rep. Frank Guinta by a few more than 4,900 votes. https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/5-300-fraudulent-votes-may-have-been-cast-nh-2016 My comment on this- it seems that there was fraud, and that those who insisted in earlier closed threads that there was none have been putting their heads in the sand. How can we determine if there is fraud if the investigation of it is blocked by those who benefited the most from it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:16 AM No reason to clean up the voting rolls? Preliminary cross state voter info shows 7.2 million duplicate registrations in 28 states; 40K voters are registered in both Mass. and NH. https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/nearly-95k-voters-nh-registered-other-states-data Again, twice the number that the Clinton campaign claims to have "won" the popular vote by.... So half of them may be actual mistakes and not fraud by the Democrats. Before you blow it off and attack me, how will you feel about the next election when the Republicans control the DOJ and who is targeted? Are you OK with Trump doing to you what Obama did to the rest of us? Maybe we need to look at the facts and determine a method for FAIR and honest voting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:41 AM J. Christian Adams, who worked in the Justice Department's Voting Rights Section under President George W. Bush and now heads the nonprofit Public Interest Law Foundation, obtained voter-registration records from eight of Virginia's 133 cities and counties, discovering 1,046 illegal aliens were illegally registered to vote. He's also forced several counties to clean up their voter rolls in states such as Mississippi and Texas. John Fund, author of several books on election fraud, told WND in March the Obama administration created an environment for vote fraud to thrive. "When it comes to illegal votes," he said, "we need to end the Obama administration's consistent refusal to cooperate with states on allowing access to records of legal foreigners, illegal aliens and the Justice Department's refusal to require states to maintain clear voter lists if they accept federal funds for voting purposes. Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of the Houston, Texas-based vote-monitoring nonprofit True the Vote, told WND "no one knows how many noncitizens are voting, because under the Obama administration, attempts to find answers were blocked at every turn." She noted states that attempted to pass voter ID legislation or ask for proof of citizenship were sued by the DOJ. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/09/new-evidence-backs-trump-vote-fraud-claim/#62WbTzYAUP2tyArq.99 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:45 AM http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/ The ODU professors, who stand by their work in the face of attacks from the left, concluded that in 2008 as few as 38,000 and as many as 2.8 million noncitizens voted. Mr. Agresti's analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted. For 2012, Just Facts said, 3.2 million to 5.6 million noncitizens were registered to vote and 1.2 million to 3.6 million of them voted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Stu Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:46 AM Blah... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 07:56 AM Stu, Perhaps you would care to address the facts that these article present, instead of making a personal attack. Unless your post is representing your view of your own self, which you are entitled to present here. THAT would be acceptable. The Public Interest Legal Foundation, which fights voter fraud, released one of its most comprehensive reports last month. Its investigation found that Virginia removed more than 5,500 noncitizens from voter lists, including 1,852 people who had cast more than 7,000 ballots. The people volunteered their status, most likely when acquiring driver's licenses. The Public Interest Legal Foundation said there are likely many more illegal voters on Virginia's rolls who have never admitted to being noncitizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 08:08 AM RUSSIA MEDDLED IN U.S. ELECTIONS and are now preparing to do the same with the German Federal elections The Germans have been forewarned and can take steps to prevent the interference - too late for the U.S. Maybe the Presidential election should be re-run to see if the American people are still happy with the result Waddya think Bruce? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 08:18 AM http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/ One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots. Michigan's largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn't reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month. Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662. Jim, If there is outside interference, we SHOULD have a new election. So lets go back to 2008 when so many in Europe were supporting Obama, and start there. Or is foreign interference OK when the result is what YOU want it to be? What do YOU think, Jim? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 08:44 AM Beard, It was 3 million illegal alien fraudulent votes cast against Trump that made the poor guy so angry. Of course there is no proof of that. Even after millions of dollars to investigate the claim. Have you ever heard of people who live near a border working in one state and living in another? Yeah weird huh? But I bet it happens. I don't think you will ever get tired of being a sucker for Russian fake news. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 08:45 AM "So lets go back to 2008 when so many in Europe were supporting Obama, and start there" As you suggesting that the Obama election was rigged? New one on me As I understand it "support" is a far cry from THIS How far back do you want to go? America has interfered in the leadership of many states it doesn't approve of, even to the extent of sending in the Marines and dropping burning petrol on peasants You referred to the last election - as I did - that's the only one that can successfully and effectively dealt with You seem to want to act on one accusation and ignore the other Life ain't like choosing sweets from a Pick 'n Mix stall - you act on all or none at all The Russian thing is still current thanks to Trump Jnr's recent revelations of discussions with them as to whether Clinton was fit to be President Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:05 AM Donuel. Perhaps you would care to look at the numbers presented in the posted articles, perhaps even read them, and then stop repeating the fake news that there is no proof- If you refuse to even look at the accusation, how can you state if there is proof or not? I don't think you will ever get tired of being a sucker for Liberal Fake news "Of course there is no proof of that. Even after millions of dollars to investigate the claim."fake news. " And the proof that even one vote was altered by the Russian efforts? Hilary's known Russian connections for money have no value in being investigated, even though she was a US Government official at the time ( as opposed to Trump, who was a private individual?) Jim, "Life ain't like choosing sweets from a Pick 'n Mix stall - you act on all or none at all" I agree- If we investigate Trump for his Russian connections, we SHOULD investigate Hilary for her's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:25 AM "I agree- If we investigate Trump for his Russian connections, we SHOULD investigate Hilary for her's." Fine by me - though you are still not showing that anybody but Trump's party involved in active dishonesty with a foreighn regime You have proven the election result was invalid - why not re-run it as I suggested While you're at it, perhaps the whole system that allows such discrepancies needs serious re-examination. A system that allows on the wealthiest to rise to the top has always seemed a bit iffy to me Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:37 AM "You have proven the election result was invalid - why not re-run it as I suggested" I have PROVEN nothing- I have presented information that can be verified (about which most here refuse to even look at). If we rerun the election WITHOUT the Obama DOJ interference, I am sure the results will be different- but not sure that many here would be any happier. But before we can rerun the election, we need to correct the flaws that made this one suspect. And I would prefer if we disallowed BOTH of the previous candidates from running. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:39 AM Ladies and gentleman. for your viewing pleasure. I present to you bearded bruce, the fake human without acumen. It is full of disbelief without a trace of relief Where it goes or what it knows Is a bitter aperitif. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:52 AM "But before we can rerun the election, we need to correct the flaws that made this one suspect." That's what I said - that would include the Russian interference which preceded the election It might even include the obvious unsuitability of one of the candidates who advocated sexually assaulting women by "grabbing their pussies" Electoral reform it is then Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 09:56 AM And the unsuitability of one who committed treason by violation of the security laws while in a responsible government position. As I said, BOTH should be prohibited from running again. Donuel, I notice you are attacking me, and not presenting any facts. Is this your normal method of debate, or is it just what you use on those you can't find any facts to debate against their position? I am ashamed of your response. I had thought better of you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:13 AM "In a companion letter from both Secretary of State Bill Gardner and Department of Safety Commissioner John Barthelmes to Jasper, they noted that "some unknown number" of the individuals moved out of New Hampshire and it was possible that a few may never have driven in the state or ceased driving in the state. They also noted the biggest problem with attempting to limit voter participation to people who actually live in New Hampshire – a 2015 state Supreme Court decision – Annamarie Gaure vs. state of New Hampshire – which preserved a domicile loophole for voting (despite a federal law that requires residency for federal elections). The letter noted that the Secretary of State's Office prepared nearly 12,000 30-day letters to voters where they had "credible information" that the voters no longer lived – or never lived – in the address provided. As a result of the mailing, 11,320 voters were removed from the checklists, the letter stated. Neither Gardner nor Barthelmes explained what information led nearly 12,000 voters to be removed from the checklists but the shear number, and the fact that New Hampshire is not a very transient state, shows a lot more than 5,000 fraudulent votes could have been cast in November. The letter also stated that only 622 were either verified as still domiciled in the city or town or remained under review. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jeri Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:23 AM Two things here: 1) I'm not going to get involved in a back-and-forth wit Mr "Copy/paste". You can play with Don & the Brits. (Good band name?) 2) I live here Some people have claimed people were bussed in. If it happened in my town, the bus wouldn't fit in the parking lot where the voting happened, Maybe a bigger city? Durham. In 2015, the number of students enrolled was 15,398. That doesn't mean they came from out-of-state. Most probably weren't (opinion). The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (that's Portsmouth NH) is technically in Kittery Maine. Maine charges them income tax, no matter where they live. (Last I heard, anyway - maybe something's changed) We have YUGE borders with VT, MA, and ME. When I registered to vote here, I had a Texas driver's license, was a legal resident of New York, and registered to vote with the street address on an AF base of the dorm I was living in, which I suspect may have not been kosher, but it was where I lived, and I knew I'd come back here. I don't have a problem with these from-away voters being investigated, but starting out calling it "fraud" when YOU don't know either is really stupid...plus, it makes you look like you're a little desperate for excuses. Newsflash: Trump won the election, and 5,000 ≠ 3,000,000 votes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:28 AM Patch: An AOL spinnoff, accepting content from anywhere, apparently. Hyperlocal in that it probably focuses only on BB's house to feed his news back to him. "ABOUT US Not really a "news" source. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:42 AM "As I said, BOTH should be prohibited from running again." Your president is running roughshod of both the constitution and the justice system and is appointing and dismissing members of committees that will come up with any result he wishes - if they don't, he fires them By the time the next election falls due America will be a racially divided dictatorship rum by a madman - if the world hasn't een reduced to a heap of nuclear rubble And you want enquiry into the possibility of election rigging which will, if one of his committees comes up with the result he wants, give him even more power tha he has already usurped I sincerely hope not THE RELIABILITY of TRUMP'S COMMITTEE Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:43 AM Jeri, Sorry about the cut and paste, but when I state my opinions, I am insulted for even having them, and required to present the "FACTS" that I am basing them on ( Only me- the other side has no such requirement.) As a minority here, I should expect to get the short end of the stick, sit in the back of the bus, and get lynched for my opinions. But I had some hope that there are a few honest liberals, who should look at the facts I present and discuss them. Your points are valid- AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. As should the accusations of fraud that are thrown away here. IF the Trump administration acts the way the Obama one did, I hope to be able to say the the liberals here were at least willing to apply the same standards to others that they demand be applied to themselves- - BUT I DOUBT IT. As for the 5000 not being 3,000,000 "The ODU professors, who stand by their work in the face of attacks from the left, concluded that in 2008 as few as 38,000 and as many as 2.8 million noncitizens voted. Mr. Agresti's analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted. For 2012, Just Facts said, 3.2 million to 5.6 million noncitizens were registered to vote and 1.2 million to 3.6 million of them voted. " 5000 is not zero, either. It IS twice or more the margin that Hilary won the 4 electoral college votes of NH by. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 10:46 AM So Jim, You are saying that we should rerun the election, but only allow Hillary to run? I guess that might make you happy, but the countries that have elections like that end up with administrations that make even Trump look good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:43 AM In a world of man made fake news all the world is a circus and you are a player. I see you as a circus performer in the world of fantasyland. 'Fantasyland' - How America went Haywire - a 500 year history. by Kurt Anderson. books shape my perception. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:43 AM "You are saying that we should rerun the election, but only allow Hillary to run? "Where on earth did that come from? She was the better of two bac]d candidates Trump proved himself a thug before the election, but things being as they are, he was allowed to run anyway I'm pretty sure that if the election were run again, neither side would choose the same candidates, but Trump has disqualified himself anyway on the basis of his behaviour. You are the one suggesting the election was invalid because of supposed vote riggine I pointed out that the election should have been regarded as invalid from day one I think we should cut to the chase here - you are advocating that this head-banger should stay in office on the basis of the claims of a committee he set up to come up with the findings they have I am saying that if your claims are correct, then, when coupled wit all the other shenanigans that have taken place, it calls into question the validity of the system as a whole - all or nothing If you were concerned in the slightest about democracy yo would be advocating a re-run. As it is, I do believe you are merely flying the flag for Don the Div Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:49 AM Ah qui mon ami j'ai change'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:53 AM All in favor of a rerun- and in 3 more years we get one. Trump was a lousy candidate, and a worse president- Just better than a proven traitor who put her own financial gain above the security of the US. Just my opinion, but even a minority is allowed to have an opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 11:58 AM "I pointed out that the election should have been regarded as invalid from day one" As the FACTS about the voting irregularities have just started to come to light, and are still in the process of being determines, your statement is of no value whatsoever- YOU are stating that the election should have been invalid BECAUSE THE PERSON YOU PREFERRED TO WIN DID NOT? THAT is reason enough to ignore your future comments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:09 PM America is a land of laws. Sometimes the intention of a law fails and causes great suffering. For example only American flag vessels may deliver gasoline to American ports but there are not any available due to all the ships having foreign flags because of tax breaks, so Florida can not legally get gasoline. Same with election laws. Only Congress can make or correct laws. But they are too busy doing didely squat on the 6 days a month that they are in session. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:15 PM Donuel, Agreed about Congress- Perhaps you should do as I do and vote against the incumbents when they do not do their jobs. But the alternative to laws is far worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:16 PM "your statement is of no value whatsoever- " Whew - that's a relief Sorry I couldn't tell you what you wanted to hear "BECAUSE THE PERSON YOU PREFERRED TO WIN DID NOT?" My only preference was that Trump shouldn't win I'd have been happy to have someone with Obama's streak of humanity, go on for another few terms As it is, we now have a warmongering thug who believes grabbing women's pussies is the way to behave, holding one of the most influential offices in the world - god help us and our chidren Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:20 PM "My only preference was that Trump shouldn't win" The LAW is that the winner of the Electoral College vote wins the election. I think Sir Thomas Moore had something to say about the law. Perhaps you should check on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM The intention of the electoral college laws was to insure a (sic) lout, clod or common creep would never be allowed to become President. For political party loophole reasons the law could do the opposite of its intention. Besides the population lost patience when it came time to change the law. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:42 PM Sir Thomas More.... not up on all my saints... So, Donuel, I will join you in voting out of office those Congress-critters that presently are in office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 12:53 PM "The LAW is that the winner of the Electoral College vote wins the election." The law of Nazi Germany said it was permissible to send Jews to the gas chambers and medically experiment on them There are good laws and bad laws - to accept the bad ones without opposition is fascism by definition - the superiority of the state Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 01:08 PM And we fought a war to change the Nazi law, didn't we? If you don't like the law, work to change it- but don't use it when it gives results you like, and object to it when it does not. If the law that elected Trump was the same law the elected Obama, you are not being sane in objecting to one and demand everyone accept the other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 01:19 PM "And we fought a war to change the Nazi law, didn't we? " So it's up to you to fight a system that puts megolos like Trump into the White House When your house is on fire you don't rush to chand the batteries in your smoke dectector Your's is blazing away at the present time You have failed to dispute on single description of Trump I have offered so presumably you are happy with him as he is What I said earlier - about Trumpism, not democracy (the latter of which you extremely transparent over which bits you care to defend) Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: beardedbruce Date: 08 Sep 17 - 01:49 PM I presume you are only complaining about the system because YOU DID NOT GET THE RESULTS YOU WANTED. If ANYONE had suggested a change to the laws before say 2008 or BEFORE the 2016 election, the Liberals would have been the first and loudest to scream. Trump was elected- he is as LEGAL a president as Obama was. Calling into question his legality brings up a lot more than anyone here wants to consider. If you don't like his POLICIES, elect people that agree with you. 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016 elections have shown that the pendulum has swung back from the overly liberal side. The important thing is what we AGREED about earlier- a need to ensure that the election is FAIR and NOT RIGGED to give advantage TO EITHER SIDE. If you have a problem with that, I can tell you where to stuff it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Sep 17 - 02:30 PM "I presume you are only complaining about the system because YOU DID NOT GET THE RESULTS YOU WANTED" I've answered that you presume wrong I have no interest in internal American politics What concerns me is that you have cvoted a madman into the White House and that has international repercussions I've always believed America to be an undemocratic state which interferes in interference in other countries affairs to the extent of mass murder Up to now, it has done so behind a pretence of democracy, now that has been discarded and your contitution is being undermined by the man in charge. " a need to ensure that the election is FAIR and NOT RIGGED" It wass rigged when Russia began to interfere in the voting - way before the elsction I see no complaint about that for you - why should there be You appear to support this inarticulate red-neck Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 02:33 PM Jim it tickles me how much you love to argue for arguments sake. You could be the movie character who would drop dead if his blood pressure ever dropped below 70 so he constantly argues and avoids sleep. At the end of the movie he learns he could just eat sticky buns and egg yolks to keep his blood pressure elevated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 08 Sep 17 - 06:46 PM Fake news like IRS and Lois Lerner or Voter fraud are stories so ludicrous and false they are said to 'gain traction' over months and years. Political spin that gains traction is said to be true. It isn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Sep 17 - 04:22 AM "Jim it tickles me how much you love to argue for arguments sake." I argue to attempt people like Bruce to say what they really mean - and to learn, of course. Seems to have worked quite well here He started out about election fraud - it turned out to be a Trumpite Political Broadcast devoid of any concern for democracy Worth getting out of bed on any morning for, in my book Sometimes you remind me of a little Jiminy Cricket sitting on people's shoulders and whispering sweet nothings and sitting squarely on any fence in the vicinity Which is a pity because I find myself agreeing with you most of the time - when you are not being obscurantist Is there anything I have said here which you would actually like to challenge or would you rather just throw stones from a safe distance? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 09 Sep 17 - 05:45 PM No, I like all your observations. I even play a little fiddle like Jiminy Cricket. As for stone throwing I am so far behind the fence I wouldn't reach the fence. All year this cricket just followed his fancy or laid about just bidding time while the ants labored and did real work. When the first day of winter came the shivering cricket asked an ant for shelter in the warm ant tunnels and if he could have some food the ants had farmed all year in the form of fungus. Hell No! you foolish Cricket, you wasted all your time playing, said the ant. The cricket ate the ant. Challenging each other is like daring each of us to grow. Its a damn sight better than getting eaten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Sep 17 - 09:47 PM Here's a more reliable source, the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law:This is the quality of resource I rely on. Here's what the Washington Post has to say about the Trumped-up charges of election fraud in New Hampshire: Here's Huffington Post: -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 17 - 07:34 AM The overall error rate of DNA polymerase in the replisome is 10-8 errors per base pair. Repair enzymes fix 99% of these lesions for an overall error rate of 10-10 per bp. That means one mutation in every 10 billion base pairs that are replicated. Such a infinitesimal error rate is what ensures that you are still you after old cells die and new cells are born. The error/fraud rate of US voting is comparable to DNA replication. To claim otherwise flies in the face of life itself. HOWEVER this does not mean that the vote can not be corrupted. In the words of Vladimir Putin "It is not who votes that determines an election, it is who counts the votes". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Voter fraud From: Donuel Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:41 AM We have compared an election process to DNA replication errors and error corrections. To carry this comparison a step beyond the obvious there are implications of our digital internet age mimicking life processes like viruses to our DNA that will amaze some of you. Russian intel officers understand this, which means you can too. In your own DNA you have dna sequences that sneak into your chromosomes. These intruders also snuck into all your ancestors and passed on these intruders by replication. These DNA segments arrived millions of years ago and can be good or bad. They break in by hitching a ride on a virus. One they break in, they will be replicated as long as life goes on. These intruders are called transposesomes. Surprisingly half of your personal DNA is made of transposesomes! Some scientists used to call this DNA, junk DNA. We as a species do not know for sure where these transposesomes came from. When we compare these processes to elections we do know where these alien transposesome fake news stories come from. We also know which Republican think tanks devised ways of disposing of votes from black people, college students and the elderly. It was called voter fraud. |
