Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017

Subject: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: GUEST,Mrrzy
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 09:35 AM

Mysogynist yeah yeah, but he actually put a mixed-race, here called black, woman in the centerfold in 1966. Sports Illustrated's first swimsuit issue with such a model wasn't till 1996.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 10:43 AM

As the other fella said, you can't really say he's gone to a better place ... !

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM

All the best to his four kids. Just don't take after your President.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 01:07 PM

How long will they have to wait for the viagra to wear off before they can close the coffin lid...???

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 01:27 PM

Traditional music, not so much:
but a lot of quote-unquote "countercultural" figures
were interviewed in this magazine.
Years ago I was hunting for interviews with a movie star,
who shall remain nameless, thanks anyway. Big deal.

And, going through Playboy Magazine interviews
(must have been a book anthology),
I stumbled upon Alex Haley interviewing Miles Davis.

Highly, highly recommended, that interview.
It may have changed my life.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 01:48 PM

Hugh wanted to be a cartoonist. Instead he paid fortunes to Al Jaffee. Jules Feiffer. Shel Silverstein. Arnold Roth. "Plastic Man" creator Jack Cole. Those are just a few of the legends who drew for Playboy magazine.
PS I am no Feiffer or Silverstein. I am a Gahon Wilson.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: fat B****rd
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 02:29 PM

RIP Hef

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 03:09 PM

Kind of sad to reach the age when you really were reading it for the articles ... !

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 07:01 PM

He was a shallow pornographer who exploited women AND gullible men in order to make his fortune and live his dissolute lifestyle. Yet he pretended that he was "liberating" people. He was doing the exact opposite, and he did it, cynically, by staying just within the law. A scumbag who contributed nothing to humanity. Good riddance.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 08:59 PM

But there were really great articles!

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 09:03 PM

yes, my mum and dad allowed me to blutack the fold out 'articles' of miss June 1973 above my bed...

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: meself
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 11:07 PM

How old were you then? Or: how old was Miss June 1973 by then?

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:18 AM

1973 - I was 14...

For the sake of pedantic historical accuracy.. she might actually have been miss July...???

Damn.. now I need to google research every centrefold from Jan 1972 to December 1974 just to scrupulously confirm the facts... 😜

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:23 AM

..anyway, in the 1980s I much prefered "Escort" and "Razzle"... proper Trad British culture... 🙄

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 07:29 AM

Wonderful cartoon in this morning's Times showingBoris Johnson, arse to the fore, in Bunny-girl costume on the fromt page of Playboy
The caption reads, "Entertainment for Tories, How I screwed Britain - my biggest boobs, BreXit rated)
I remember Playboy from my days as ann apprentice; there were always copies lying around the workshop.
I tried to read them but the pages always broke off!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 08:44 AM

Some of the best progressive minds and anti Viet Nam War giants gathered at his mansion. Steve you just objectified Hugh more than Hugh objectified women. And that's a lot to say.
Remember the Pentagon papers? Of course not. They were in Playboy.

Looking through the lens of today can throw the past out of focus.

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The Pentagon Papers were published by The New York Times, not Playboy.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 09:22 AM

Hefner may have had a less dark side but he was still part of the team who made his fortune out of making women appear 'available'
Remind me, apart from providing the contents of a tasty stew, what are BUNNIES best known for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 09:29 AM

Donuel - just because a person is an amoral exploitative profiteering sleazy scumbag
don't mean they are entirely incapable of inadvertently, or even intentionally, doing occasional acts of good in their otherwise despicable lives...

.. even Presidents...???????


That tiny ray of optimism should be inspiration for us all... 😜

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 11:55 AM

He made his fortune out of objectifying women. He was no use at all to the human race.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:02 PM

I belive Goebells was very fond of cats and Mussolini did make the trains run on time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:32 PM

.. can I just add.. that whole iconic bunny girl imagery, fake smile and fake tits, is just shite...

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 10:59 PM

If you only think of sex = Hefner you are missing a lot.

He was a pioneer of progressive thought and behavior. He sold a fantasy everyone knew was a fantasy, except Steve. Its true that any masturbation fantasy has a whole lot of objectifying going on, except Steve.

When the legend becomes licentious and believable, print the legend.
Except for those who have their own narrative that Hugh invented lust and dismissive attitudes toward women. He gave control of the Magazine to his daughter.

That said he is not a leading hero nor was he an evil malevolent man.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 11:26 PM

errrmmm.. [alt universe scenario]

If Hitler had a daughter, and passed her the family business..

would the rest of the world go..

"wow.. cool.. Hitler is a pro feminist.. at last we got a female dictator hell bent on ruling the world.."...???

'Real feminists might have a particular view of Hefner and his daughter...

http://theweek.com/articles/727580/liberalisms-hugh-hefner-problem

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 03:23 AM

"If you only think of sex = Hefner you are missing a lot."
If you7 don't think of how he presented women you are ignoring the damage he did to them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 08:27 AM

Hefner's whole modus operandi was to get men thinking about sex and buying his magazine. Don't accuse me of not being mainstream in my fantasy world and I won't accuse you of being a porn freak for defending a blatant pornographer, okay?

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 09:09 AM

You are saying Hugh created the systemic subordination of women. At that time women had mothers who had not been allowed to vote.

Leave it to Hugh Hefner to cause men to think about sex hahahaha
I think 'prurient' interests preceded Hugh.

needless to say he was not Hitler

When I think of pornographers I think of the owner of Hustler magazine.
When I consider Hugh, he presented women one dimensionally for his consumer driven buyers, but not exclusively.

Lord Steve, no one here needs or wants you to write their obituary. Maybe you have scored some Puritan morality points but speaking ill of the dead is pretty darn easy like shooting [fill in blank] in a barrel.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 09:29 AM

A woman taking over a business founded on exploitation of women serving conservative one dimensional male fantasies
is surely significantly different
from porn made by women for women, or porn made by non profit seeking amateurs to celebrate and share non abusive sexuality...

..and here I'm only talking about basic naked people extrovertly showing their fun bits and 'doing it'...

Not even attempting to delve into 'kinky' fetish watersports/scat/S&M arena....

Porn is a complex cultural & behavoural phenomena and does not fit tidily into simplistic moralistic or ideological constraints...

I'm a keen fan of altruistic not for profit amateur porn...

.. the folk music equivalent of the porn industry... 😜

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 09:48 AM

Tezza - aptly for a porn thread, you are talking bollocks...

I never link things I don't like to fascism - that is too crude and simplistic...
I never call anyone a fascist... because I learned too much about the word and it's historical specifics..

But I do enjoy tongue in cheek [..ooh.. porn thread..] playfulness with the stereotypes and peculiarities of old mr hitler and his gang of fun merchants... 🙄

So then tezz.. seeing as you come in here thinking you got me and the others all worked out,
what types of jazz mags & vids do you have under the bed or in your shed...????

Or don't you have any thing at all to say about the actual thread subject in your unending total war on shaw and his 'cronies'...????

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 09:49 AM

punkfolkrocker you are indeed a complex enlightened guy.
I still recall your advice about not driving a boring car to the pearly gates. I took it.

Teribus only some of it is BS. Some of it is real Human S.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 03:36 PM

I did not say that Hefner created the systemic [sic] subordination of women and I'll thank you for for sticking to the truth if you don't mind.

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 03:51 PM

You said you wanted an argument, this is indignation. Arguments are down the hall in Brexit.

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It's also an obituary thread. -mod

Subject: RE: Obit: Hugh Hefner (Playboy), 1926-2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 17 - 12:15 AM

Adding a final word, for those upset with Hef:

Speaking Ill of Hugh Hefner.