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BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

MikeL2 11 Oct 18 - 02:22 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM
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Dave the Gnome 05 Oct 18 - 08:53 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 02:22 PM

Hi Steve

Pogba.......????? If anyone can get him to play and be a team player Jurgen can.

I don't believe the rumours by or about anyone, but sometimes it can give me a laugh.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM

Well, maybe stop listening to rumours is my advice. He's contracted until 2022 and has said many times that his heart is with Liverpool. What's far more interesting is how he's going to find that playmaker who'll set the front three alight again. It could be someone already at the club...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:39 PM

Hi Steve

" Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window... ".

According to some rumours being posted. Jurgen will be gone. !!!

In this situation of course we will always be prepared to let you have Mourinho. lol

cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 03:48 PM

Defence was paramount because of the attacking instincts of both teams. In this game defence won out. Basically because both teams have bloody good defences. Here's a big clue: the score was 0-0. What Liverpool currently lack is a midfield playmaker. Coutinho has gone and Ox won't be back this season. Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 02:45 PM

Hi Steve

I must have been at the same match as Raggy. I watched a determined game in which two very good teams had decided to not lose.

Consequently we had a rugged game where defence was paramount. Neither goalkeeper didn't have to make a save. Salah hardly ever touched the ball.

A missed penalty - apparently PeP changed a preagreed action to change his Penalty taker as he picked up the ball !! this saved Liverpool and the match just then fizzled out into a tame draw.

Liverpool by the way have not won in their last 4 outings !!!.

Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:53 PM

Well you weren't watching the same match as I was. It was fast, it was ugly and, whilst no classic, it was a contest between two teams who have attack in their bones and who have ultimate respect for each other. I love watching Liverpool, City and Chelsea for their positivity and sublime skill. Wouldn't give you tuppence for any other Premier club. Though who knows: Go, Wolves...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:49 PM

Wouldn't mind being a quid behind him though!

In the first 10 minutes I thought Liverpool were all over City, after that the match faded into a "none event"

Watching paint dry may have been slightly more entertaining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:36 PM

Edge of seat stuff at Anfield. Liverpool were getting swamped at times and were once again off the pace, but they showed mucho grit later in the second half and it turned into a titanic if slightly raggety tussle. One thing City fans learned: Mahrez is a twat. If you don't believe me, watch MOTD. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:41 AM

Hi

I am back from holiday and I don't use the media at all while I am away.

Some of the results did filter through from other holidaymakers so I am am aware of the difficulties of our top sides in Europe.

Apart from Arsenal who have improved after a desperate start.

Ironically Man United remain unbeaten despite some terrible performances!!!

I watched United'd match yesterday when after a diabolical start 0-2, they managed to scramble through to win 3-2 in " Fergie Time".

We need a new defence NOW. Ironic cos last year we were only 1 goal against than the runaway winners of the League Man City.!!

Like many United supporters I don't have any faith in them at the moment.

Can Mourinho create a change of fortune ??? Don't think so. Drastic changes need to be made.

Getting ready to watch City and Liverpool....should be a good match to watch.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 12:46 PM

It was a poor do, for sure. Napoli's manager, Carlo Ancelotti, worked out from their pre-season loss to Liverpool in a friendly how to neutralise Liverpool's front three with an extra central defender. Salah hardly touched the hall before half-time and Firmino was anonymous all night. Carlo is a brilliant tactician and just for once Klopp was outfoxed. Let's see if Pep can do the same trick on Sunday...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:53 AM

Commiserations on the result, Steve. I thought you had been quiet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 04:55 PM

I thought Utd were bad last night, at least they managed a very poor draw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 02:46 PM

It is, from Naples, Dave, and I have BT Sport Mobile. For the next two hours I am he wot cannot be disturbed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 01:51 PM

Is it Napoli this evening Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 06:25 AM

This thread's gone a bit quiet. Are people on holiday? Anyway, Liverpool still look good but vulnerable, while Manchester United continue to stumble along. Interesting times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

I acknowledge Man Utd are not the force they were and with Mourinho as manager I doubt they will get back to the top any time soon. (Never could take to the man)

However, you play Chelsea away in your next league match, away, and they will not be frightened after that lack lustre display.

Just as a reminder, though we did have over twenty years of consistent sucess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:54 PM

We're saving ourselves. And at least we didn't get trashed by Derby County... Bwahahaha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:38 PM

Do you recall any of the bible Steve?

"oh howe are the myghtie ouerthrowen"


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 10:29 AM

Turn the record player off (stuck needle) and enjoy the supreme football, Raggytash!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

Don't start gloating too soon Steve, yes United might be a spent force at the moment but Liverpool haven't won anything yet.

Oh, remind me just when did you last win the premiership?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 07:03 AM

Whereas Man U were back to routine, complete with José on the whinge. Liverpool on cruise control. Mighty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 05:28 AM

I see City redeemed themselves yesterday :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:01 PM

hi Dave Will do...I played rugby at Keighly many moons ago.

cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:55 PM

Between Skipton and Keighley.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM

Between near Skipton, Mike. PM me on here if you are ever in the area.

Oh, 600:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi Dave

Thank you for the kind thought but I don't know where you are and don't know a contact for you. Would have been great to share a drink ( or two)!!!

Shooting off to North Wales tomorrow for a couple of weeks. That is if it is still there after the weather of the last few days.!!!!!   Not sure exactly where we will be staying until we have seen what the weather holds.

cheers

mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:34 PM

hi Steve

I was not and I am not underestimating Liverpool, I was just trying to advise you not to get too confident so soon in the season.

I am aware in the difference which Liverpool played against PSG and in no way compared it to United;s performance.

I said in my earlier post that we are not good enough to take on top European teams -including Liverpool at this moment. In fact I think they will have to improve vastly if the want to finish in the top 6 in the Premiere League.

I hope I am wrong.

Cheers

Mike - heading off to Wales early tomorrow. Good luck for the up-and-coming games.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:03 AM

Should have popped in Mike. Mind you, it is a big place!

I see City got beat by Lyon the other day. I went to HPs offices in Lyon once. Only works canteen I have been in that serve wine. By way of nothing at all...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 06:29 PM

Underestimate us at your peril, Mike. You looked great last night - against very poor opposition. We were playing Paris Saint-Germain for chrissake!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 02:46 PM

Hi Steve

We have been away in North Yorkshire for a while. Don't use the internet while I am away. Back for a couple of days and then off to North Wales .

I have been able to watch some of the games in pubs etc while away.

Liverpool have looked unbeatable until the wobbled a bit the other night. It was a surprise because the defence has looked so solid.
but Firmino saved some red faces and earned The Pool a deserved win.

I have watched Man United. They have managed to recover from a terrible start and have won the last three games away from home, including a good win last night over Young Boys of Berne. United were overrun on the plastic surface in the first quarter of the game but gradually improved and won relatively easily in the end.

I don't think we are any way near to hitting the standard that we United supporters expect. The defence is disorganised and the attack very wasteful in front of goal. There does not appear to be very much endeavour in the team yet.


I would not bang the drum too much about Liverpool Steve, they have done nothing yet They have collapsed in mid-season too many times recently and have not won anything of note for about a dozen years.

Man City got a shock last night but I didn't see the game. So there is many a slip twixed cup and lip.

Looks like being an interesting season I am looking forward to it.

See Ya

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:49 PM

Hi Mike. Haven't heard from you for a bit. Where art thou!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:26 PM

No need to shut up as long as you keep saying nice things about Liverpool. Just don't mention Manchester United, that's all... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:00 PM

I like lurking around this thread.
This is much more the thing.
Heated and animated discussion
without Mudcatters being disgusting to fellow Mudcatters.
Yes, yes, I'll shut up now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:52 PM

Chelsea - great to watch, new manager, new lease of life, Hazard firing on five out of four cylinders. I love it.

But come on now, chaps. Liverpool. The team that the whole world now fears. PSG neatly put away. Neymar, Di María, Cavani, Mbappe... where were you, chaps! And Liverpool still haven't completely found their stride. Be very afraid, Mike!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 08:03 PM

No way, Mike. You're heading for the bottom half and you know it. Unless you get rid of the Unspecial One very quickly indeed. That second-half defensive display was a farce. And Pogba was bloody useless. On top of that, Spurs were denied a cast-iron penalty in the first half. You need shot of Phil Jones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 11:13 AM

Hi

I went to Old Trafford last night to watch United Play Spurs.

The were well beaten 0-3 in an interesting but not exciting clash.

United had the best of the first half and managed to miss some scoring opportunities, especially Lucacu whom seems to have lost his shooting boots.

The second half with a different Tottenham team do most of the attacking. The inevitable happened when Kane scored. After that it was all Spurs and they ran out easy winners.

This is the worst start to the season that United have ever had since 1962. But perhaps we needn't worry because they went on to win the League. ( Fingers crossed in hope rather than expectation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 09:29 AM

Ps to previous post.

Don't know why I said United is playing Burnley at the week-end

They are actually playing Tottenham.

Weill be a good test of United's struggle to find form.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Aug 18 - 02:59 PM

Hi Steve

Do you think that because I am a Man United supporter I am biassed in my views of Liverpool and Man City,??

I am not. love football no matter who is playing. I try to be objective about all the games I see.

Obviously at times my views differ from others' but I try to be fair.

Naturally I want United to be successful again. We are miles behind Liverpool and Man City and others too. I try to give credit where it is due.

We are playing Burnley this week. Burnley are one of the clubs I admire. I wish them well even though they are playing us,

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 03:58 PM

Yebbut you're a Man U man, so...

Salah was definitely clipped for the sending off - the only slight doubt is that he just MAY have been letting the ball run a bit too far ahead of him. But it was a clear foul, no messing, and the defender was not going for the ball. I've watched the replay Gawd knows how many times. The ref made the right call and had no option.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 02:55 PM

Hi Steve

Strange how two people watching the same game see things differently.

I thought that there was some doubt about Salah going down as did most of the guys in the pub.

However if the ref saw it as a foul then he was right to send him off.
The problem is that the referees are not consistent. For this incident some refs would have not given a penalty. But the referee can only give what he sees. Maybe The Premier League should install VAR ??


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 10:53 AM

I thought the ref had a particularly good game, actually. The penalty was a definite foul, no doubt about that, and the sending-off was obligatory within the rules. The only thing I saw Liverpool getting away with was Andros thumping one against the crossbar. A decisive moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 10:08 AM

Hi Steve

Crystal Palace under Roy Hodgson are a difficult side - especially at home. Liverpool got away with a couple of decisions but as you say won dirty. All teams have to do it sometimes.

Unless United buck up you could be right about them struggling to get in the top ten. Nearly all the teams have strengthened their sides and other than Huddersfield and Cardiff any side can beat any other side.

I don't see Liverpool topping Man City but we will watch with interest.

cheers

Mike

PS Now it seams that at United Anthony Martial is now staying having demanded a moved all year. I would let him go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 07:11 PM

Palace are a tough bunch of buggers and I reckon they'll easily finish in the top half this season. Liverpool showed at last that they can win dirty. Three bloody good points from the match: Virgil was magisterial, Allison was not only a great stopper but is also a very cool and accurate distributor, and there was absolutely none of that mid-match flakiness that Liverpool demonstrated too often last season. It's between Liverpool and City this season. United won't finish in the top eight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 02:18 PM

The rumour mill has it that United are deciding which of Pogba or MourinHo they are going to get rid of. I say it should be both.

We could do worse than to offer the manager job to Ryan Giggs. At least he will have them playing " the United way.

What do you think ?

Cheers

Mike

Ps Just heard that Martial will be going this week. !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 10:28 AM

Hi watched Liverpool v Crystal Palace. It wasn't a great perfprmance by Liverpool but they won easily enough, and that's what counts.

That man Salah was head and shoulders the man of the match.

Liverpool will play much better than this as the season progresses.

Cheers

Mike

PS didn't hear anything from you about Man United beating Liverpool.....!!!!!    oh it was in the Women's League. United did well as it was their first game in the League for 30 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 08:35 PM

It's devastating to hear that Jimmy Mac has passed on. He was a true gentleman of football, as fine an inside forward who ever graced a football pitch, and, above all, my boyhood hero. Where were you on the evening of March 7 1961, you may ask? Well I was at Turf Moor, nine years old, watching Burnley beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0 in a quarter-final FA Cup replay. It was a brilliant football match and Jimmy played a massive part. That night made me everything wot I am!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 02:58 PM

Hi Steve

Just heard that Jimmy Macilroy has died, Like you ( thousands of football lovers loved to watch him play. I saw Him several times and read about him in the football press and what a fantastic player he was. He was not just a great footballer but also a great man.

I know you saw many times more the me but I know you will aree that football has lost a wonderful talent.

Condolences to his family and all his friends. There will never be another like him

Sadly

MikL


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 11:43 AM

Hi Steve

" "You've gone strangely quiet, Mike," goaded Steve...   :-) "

Thanks for missing my absence. I have been away for the Bank Holiday week-end. I don't do any postings when I am away from home. I leave all that until I return.

Anyway noe that I am back I will agree with most of you comments. I did get to watch United in a pub in Llandudno. I agree that it was a shambles ;they played as though they did not know each other and did not care about doing so. Something will have to be done. First thing should be to get rid of Pogba. Then Mourinho should get his marching orders. At the moment there is no coverage of Man United, just loads of s**t about Pogba and Mourinho,

The way we are playing we won't even finish in the top 10, !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 10:49 AM

1990 Steve .......... really? The Premiership?

Either you or I have got our history wrong ........... and I don't think it's me!

:-)

Jon, I do not admire Mourinho, never have done, and even if he is the manager of Manchester United that does not alter. The sooner he leaves the club the better as far as I am concerned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 10:10 AM

I don't follow much football, Raggy but I think the difference is that Liverpool look like a club that's moving forwards with a progressive and refreshing manager.

Man U don't look to be going anywhere and I don't know what's happened to Mourinho. Always full of himself but I used to find a likeable side. But since the last time at Chelsea, he seems (to me) to have turned more "bitter old man" and more interested in carping than building a team that would produce their best.

OK maybe the end of season will produce a different outcome but that's how I see things at the moment.


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