BS: Do we learn from history?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 06:24 PM

no, because our betters who govern us are idiots, believe me, i know my great grandfather, sir michael hicks beach was chancellor of the xchequer in Disraelis government, apparantly he was a good administrator, but like so many politicians of the time did not realise that the consumer society needs consumers with money to spend to consume, we seem to be governed by incompetent idiotic puppets who do not understand economics, but want to feather their own nests.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 05:51 PM

700 is a theoretical limit if we ever solve the telomerase conundrum.
Repairing random DNA faults from radiation degradation of all kinds becomes too large to fix.



So our cowardly yellow Banana Republicans are quitting in droves (16 quit) - (32 fired)
Like Rats leaving an indicted ship load of Wall St. Traitors - self preservation is a fear response - not a learning experience.

The US ship of state may not entirely sink.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: BobL
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:17 AM

I remember reading somewhere that if we had no natural causes of death, only accidental and malicious ones, out lifespan would be about 700 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 10:37 AM

A lie can bound around the world before the truth ties its shoes.
MT

If our life span was 700 years, Wars would be 7 centuries apart.
DH

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:00 AM

maybe what people of goodwill should learn is how easily lies and scapegoating can spread.
I despair at the British electorate. The blaming of the poor while the rich ride roughshod. 'Taking back control' so that laws can be rewritten in secret in favour of big business. Blaming low paid immigrant workers for housing shortages rather than the rich (often from overseas) who buy to leave empty. And so on, and on.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:45 PM

Do we learn from history? Of course we don't and those who do are just rubbhished by self-seeking low life

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 01:35 PM

That's actually helpful.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 11:58 AM

the Trump quote of "where is my Roy Cohn?"

Trump's already got him: Roger Stone.

His Nixon is Nunes.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 11:48 AM

Between his college dreams and his appearance Paul Ryan seems very satanic to me. His Vice President should be Trey 'Malthoy' Gowdy


Punctuation aside my misspelling rate is about 50%

Before I used an app, people only saw the moronic spelling.
If clothes make the man, spelling makes the idea.

Stay tuned for the State of the 'Uniom'

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 10:57 AM

if these minor blemishes were ignored.

Precisely. Address the issue, not the person. Critique the sentiment, not the punctuation/spooling.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 09:10 AM

during THE CREDITS a POST SCRIPT SCENE shows Donald is in hell but as a MEXICAN, being dragged away by ICE Agents as Ivanka screams echo.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 09:00 AM

MORAL OF THE STORY
EVEN IF WE DON'T LEARN FOM HISTORY the devil does

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 08:45 AM

THE INVESTIGATIONS PART II

Instead of heaven the Investigations take place in hell and Congress.
Back in the Hell Investigations I can hear the running joke of Joe McCarthy always interjecting "point of order" but is never called upon.
In Hell the worst authoritarians in history debate Trump's next move.

Spoiler alert; In the end Jesus gets fed up. He gives Donald a poison Big Mac, Lucifer Paul Ryan spurs Jared, Donald Jr. and Eric to try and usurp the throne. Then when Pence threatens to expose the Republican cover up agents for Russia he is dispatched like Caesar in the Rotunda by fellow Republicans, leaving Paul Ryan President by succession.
The last cryptic scene is of Melania slowly breaking into a broad smile and morphing into Paul Ryan as one hears the oath taking of the new POTUS.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 07:25 AM

The Investigator is foremost in my mind in this mini play of the shattering events of today as Trump is seeking an all Trump loyal FBI to do his bidding and become the American Putin Stooge and despot.

Making Joe an anachronistic hero compared to Trump fascinates me.
Gotta have the Trump quote of "where is my Roy Cohn?"

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:58 AM

"Senator Joe McCarthy is being released from hell today so he can witness the entire Republican Congress "
Wonder if anybody remembers the wonderful play, The Instigator, about Joe McCarthy dying in a plane crash and turning up in heaven, where he begins to investigate all the occupants
He's thrown out when he demands the presence of 'The Boss' at his tribunal
Happy to pass a copy on, if anybody's interested
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:43 AM

Chapter 3
The new FBI becomes Trump Sturm Gruppen

Hillary is now America's most wanted fugitive with Chuck, Bernie and Eleanor facing indictments...

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 06:32 AM

Senator Joe McCarthy is being released from hell today so he can witness the entire Republican Congress supporting Putin's Russia and President Trump, who is entirely financed by Russia. Joe's agony will be exquisite because he will have no mouth but he must scream.

Lucifer is cast as Speaker Paul Ryan.

Jesus is posing as evangelist Tony Perkins who gives President Trump a do over Mulligan and forgives the Donald.

Chapter 2 The poison pen memo

stay tuned

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Jan 18 - 05:34 PM

Well, Donald Trump has certainly learned something from history.

He's learned that sowing seeds of discontent in the masses and blaming society's problems on others works as well in today's USA as it did in 1930s' Germany.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jan 18 - 01:34 PM

Don'l, you won't be surprised to learn that any refs you made to "The Manchurian Candidate" went right over my noggin. I'm assuming you meant the memorable first version, with Angela Lansbury as Red Mama, the redoubtable James Gregory as dupe McCarthyite senator, luscious Leslie Parrish and the programmable Laurence Harvey; some pretty shocking scenes for their time (1962); not the forgettable remake about 15 years ago.
We learned enough from that history to make art into reality last year.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 18 - 10:44 AM

"Yeah, Dave, seen some of his anti-jimmie posts recently? ;-)"
Insecurity and too-close-for-comfort postings
Always a good gauge of where we are
Don't spoil it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jan 18 - 10:28 AM

Did anyone learn from the Manchurian Candidate?
It seems not.

Did anyone recognize my Manchurian Candidate parody?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 09:38 PM

You should also take heart from the foundation of the bond between countries in Europe that led eventually to the EU and which has comprehensively seen off any prospect of a third pan-European war. I do understand that that very notion sticks in the craw of brexiteer-minded people. Tough luck. It's true.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 09:23 PM

I'm concerned with the expanded notion of: "Do we learn ANYthing from ANYthing?"

Some quotes and quips:

Supposedly Zhou En-Lai of China was asked what were the developments of the French Revolution. His answer was: "It's too early to say."

Supposedly Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western Civilization. His response: "It would be a good idea."

I also have been playing over in my mind the song "The Green Fields of France" sung to young Willie McBride:

Oh Willie McBride it all happened again
And again, and again, and again, and again

I take some appreciation that after the most violent and damaging war in human history there has been no further use of nuclear weapons.
I take some appreciation for the courage and leadership of Chancellor Angela Merkel in taking in a huge portion of refugees as no doubt a consequence and reflection of Germany's involvement in The Holocaust.

There are many knee-jerk reactions out there. They are reactions of fearful people. People who would not look through Galileo's telescope. People not capable of learning. But those people are not all people.

And as always I take heart from the history and words of Abraham Lincoln: "I hold that while man exists, it is his duty to improve not only his own condition, but to assist in ameliorating mankind."

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 07:23 PM

Who's ignoring Donuel? Listen, I post loads of posts here to which I get no direct and immediate response. It don't mean a thing. Donuel knows that I love him. Stop worrying.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 07:10 PM

It cracks me up to see you ignoring Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 06:43 PM

Anyway, let's not let this thread be hijacked by an illiterate and rather sad troll. It's a great idea for a thread. Let's stick to the point from hereonin.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 06:20 PM

Yeah, Dave, seen some of his anti-jimmie posts recently? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 06:07 PM

Shame really because Iains can post quite civilly when he is not addressing Steve.

Could have fooled me.......

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 06:03 PM

Posts like that appear to satisfy some terrible visceral need in him. Just ignore the anger, chaps and chapesses. He'll be back tomorrow as if nothing has happened. Which will be just a bit poignant, if there's anything such as "a bit poignant."

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:51 PM

the mistake of taking all posts at face value

5 our fathers, 7 hail Marys and 50 re reading your above post Iains.

Eventually like at Christmas time, you will see how we like to give presents that we actually want for ourselves.

From semi literate insufferable insults to therapy, these are all things you aspire to have or to make for yourself. Your cries for help are transparent to all but you. Start your journey with one step.
Read your own posts, you are talking to yourself more than you know.
Organize them into various distinct phases.

When you are through, decide the next phase you want to explore.
You were rudderless and out of control. Get ready. sleep...sleep
Take control. Stop doing what aimless people do.
Get fired don't be fired.
First earn a degree, don't get a degree.
Be all that you can be and forget this phase.

Maybe then you will learn from history and you
can stop repeating and forget your history.
ready aim .
fire in the first degree at the history that held you back

When orange is in the crosshairs...ready aim fire

Queen of Hearts repeat Queen of hearts

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:37 PM

Is that what you all mean by learning from history . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:19 PM

I think you will find a genuinely nasty post in the last one, Eliza. Shame really because Iains can post quite civilly when he is not addressing Steve. You have missed a lot of history here. Don't make the mistake of taking all posts at face value.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:14 PM

Well thar she blows! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:05 PM

"It would seem that a small minority, with no other point to make, hark on about otherwise trivial matters.

This forum would be a lot better if these minor blemishes were ignored."

The minority is actually one. The name is shaw. Perhaps you should articulate your concerns directly to him.

You will find only one reference to a spelling mistake in all my posts. That was today and it was no big deal, merely seeking clarity.
   Whereas that stroppy shaw fellow picks on my spelling, grammar, education, "insecurity" several times a week. This is normally to pad out his gormless warblings when he has nothing else to say and cannot think of a subject to sidetrack the thread on.
I would say in his case it is far far more than a blemish. It is a relentless campaign to drive anyone away that does not agree with his worldview.
If it had any impact on me I would call it bullying, but it does not.
However if there is one person on here that constantly creates friction by constant abuse it is shaw.
When he generates retaliation he tries to play the little innocent and if that does nor work he counters by threatening to report people to the moderators, or rambling on about weed, booze and cookery.
I believe the moderators on this forum do what they have to do and could probably do without a gobby little shite threatening to   run to teacher every five minutes.
I find it frightening that anyone displaying the behaviour of shaw on this forum could have actually been allowed to teach. Perhaps he is a wimp masquerading as a keyboard warrior.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:39 PM

I quite agree Senoufou, we should all behave as adults and accept that people make mistakes when we are typing.

But.

It would seem that a small minority, with no other point to make, hark on about otherwise trivial matters.

This forum would be a lot better if these minor blemishes were ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:26 PM

That's a good and hopeful view Steve. And it's true that all is on view with Press coverage of world events nowadays.

I have rather stiff fingers Raggytash, and I make typos quite a bit. It's easily done. The trouble is, getting bogged down in stroppiness detracts from the subject of the thread and inhibits the discussion somewhat.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:18 PM

Senoufou, I know you always try to pour oil on troubled waters and I thank you for that.

However !

On another thread Iains posted:

"illicted? I do not like to draw attention to such things as this is shaws predilection. Perhaps elicited?"

I'm sorry but if he thinks it is OK to rebuke someone for an error he deserves everything he gets in return.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:03 PM

I think there's more hope than that. I mentioned the founding of what is now the EU as a recoil from war. Fascism, with all its horrors of mass murder and disappearances, has been banished from Europe except for a few marginal parties who never quite seem to get a foothold but about whom we should never be complacent. We see things all too clearly these days on our screens and little can be hidden any more behind the adage that the first casualty of war is the truth. We're currently going through a phase of history in which it is becoming unacceptable to abuse children and women. The phase is acutely painful right now but a lot of good will come out of it. It's getting harder all the time to hide atrocities. Video cameras find it hard to lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 03:52 PM

Hahaha, if I'd had pupils who tried to flick pellets at me, I'd have flicked them right back! (And I had a myriad horrid punishments up my sleeve for such behaviour...mwaaahaaahaa)

I'm only speaking as I find Steve, and I've found several of Iains' posts most interesting and informative.

There were lots of programmes last night on TV about the Kindertransport and Holocaust survivor interviews, not to mention footage of the camps, but I confess I just couldn't face them.
My husband (very sensibly) said that I wouldn't be helping anyone by sitting glued to the television getting upset.
He knows a great deal about Rwanda, and thinks Mankind will never learn from past tragedies, as human nature doesn't change (or learn).

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 03:39 PM

Oh, he won't stop posting his views. But he has this habit of dissing teachers and education whilst simultaneously posting illiterate rubbish. That's the epitome of jealousy in a man who clearly sat at the back of his classes flicking paper pellets at the teacher. And look how he's turned out! Maybe you haven't seen enough of his serially insulting behaviour and childish views, Senoufou. Plenty of evidence if you wade through the threads (I don't advise it). Anyway, enough of that. Let's learn from history instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 02:05 PM

That is priceless coming from you jimmy.
You could not make it up!

Instantaneously would suggest immediate recognition, finally suggests the synapses were misfiring, a bit slow on the uptake, a bit dim. Need I say more - apart from suggesting you check that what you post is what you mean. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?
The esteemed Mr Tebbit was once called semi literate. I am happy to be included in such exalted circles.

You quite lose your rag when you or any of your party are given a rough ride but you feel quite free to be the most insufferable, insulting poster on this entire forum, with jimmy the ranter coming a close second.. You have issues Shaw. Constantly posting garbage here is not the cure. Therapy is.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 01:53 PM

So, (just to be clear) only extremely literate or erudite folk are allowed on here? The odd typo renders one a pariah?
I wish you lot would stop this bullying. Iains is as entitled to his views as you are.
Stop picking on him, it's nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 01:46 PM

You're semi-literate."
Bit generous there Steve
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 11:39 AM

Not at all. I did say I'd FINALLY cracked. You've been doing it for ages and you've been doing it out of sheer ignorance. You say "irregardless" a lot as well. You're semi-literate.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 11:30 AM

Just another little way of winding you up. It is very successful.
Took you a while to catch it though.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 06:13 AM

Fer chrissake I've finally cracked. You keep doing it. It's "moot," right? Moot means debatable. Mute is what many of us wish you would be. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 05:26 AM

Dave.The present Parliament has about 50-60 MPs with military experience. Whether this minority has managed to temper suggested punitive action in the past is a mute point. Perhaps someone would care to plough through Hansard to find out?

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:55 AM

Something we can fully agree on Iains. If the people who start wars were in danger themselves I think that not many would have been started.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:30 AM

I have the perfect solution! Put politicians in uniform to fight. I would put blair and bush on mine clearance for as long as they remain a success.

Subject: RE: BS: Do we learn from history?
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:14 AM

Well, I lit my little candle last night and because it was very windy I put it in a glass jar. It burned brightly until it went out an hour or two later. I said a short prayer and shed a tear (I always do, those appalling times were, as the Deaconess said, a glimpse of Hell)

But I notice that the 'Doomsday Clock' has been moved closer to midnight. We're apparently now approaching World Annihilation.
It doesn't look as though Humans have learned anything.
Sigh...