BS: Thread Killers

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 18 - 10:26 PM

My problem is that I DO understand a lot of this shit.... my other problem is that far too many others who claim THEY understand it also, don't agree with ME.

"Those of us who really understand the truth about things are really being annoyed by those who merely claim to!" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:09 AM

If Bill can admit understanding out loud there are probably 100 silent friends of the truth.

The presence of Russian intelligence in this town is visibly huge.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 07:34 AM

I've never found you boring Joe. On the contrary, your posts are most interesting. At least you don't rabbit on about cats or crumpets!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:41 PM

Mr. Red, "interest killers" is also apt.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 09:52 PM

The last person on this thread risks being stigmatized as the quintessential thread killer.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:13 PM

Still going for the title, aren't you, Donuel? You'll have to get past me first!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:31 AM

Well, no, Senoufou, the cats died - and now we have rats in the attic, so it's a tradeoff. The cats were a mess to clean up after, though.All we have to do with the rats, is take them out of the traps and bury them. My wife won't let me put them in the trash can, so I let HER bury them and do her little rat rituals...

But did I ever tell you how cute my dogs are? I make up songs to sing to them and do a little dance, and they think I'm very entertaining and dance, too - and then they demand a treat, OR ELSE!

Why don't humans think I'm entertaining?

-Lonesome Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:24 AM

Haha 'Lonesome Joe' indeed!

1. Get some more cats.
2. Bury the rats yourself. How can you even contemplate putting them in the dustbin?
3. Post on here a video of your dance with the dogs.

I can guarantee you'd never be a Thread Killer!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:19 PM

Joe, don't your dogs hunt rats? Could you hire a terrier?
Terriers have the most wonderful one-track minds when their prey drives kick in.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:05 PM

Anyone up for writing a song about the content of this thread so far? Ok, so Joe is, by his own admission, boring (but some of us dispute that especially if rats are involved).
Donuel is, in fact, Putin by another name.
Senofou is, as ever, making me laugh.
Acme, is making a point.
Keberoxu is here.
Bill D knows the answer.
And Meself is in war-like mode, wanting to be the chief killer.
When the time comes (and it hasn't yet) I'll do the Mastermind thing (for those of you outside of the UK, it's a quiz programme on TV) and say "I've started, so I'll finish".

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Joe_F
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:22 PM

Those of you who think you know it all are a source of amusement to those of us who do.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 11:46 AM

Why not terriers?
It is, after all,
the Chinese New Year of the Earth Dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:07 PM

Horasho Tattie. To you seeing thru our double triple anticounterintelligence app, congratulatinks. While Donuel is no Putin he is reassigned.

Everyone to get from anti Trump and Russian posts in return for a generous donation. We know where you live.
Trump songs nyet. Putin praise da.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:23 PM

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/09/13/vladimir-putin-trump.jpg

cheers
There is nothing more loyal & trustworthy than a person who will exchange their allegiance for cold hard cash.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM

Ok, let's go for the century! (Er, which century??)
Putin putin his hand so it looks like it's not his, but a sneaky appendage of his jacket, while sipping even more sneaky champagne! The eyes have it!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:01 PM

Don't let the next winter storm kill this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:26 PM

'There is nothing more loyal & trustworthy than a person who will exchange their allegiance for cold hard cash. '

It seems we have a few honest politicians right now... once bought, they stay bought!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 12:47 PM

This one

Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce - PM
Date: 14 May 04 - 12:02 PM

didn't work, so boring alone is not a thread killer.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 04:01 PM

Definitely not! Still at it 13 years on?!

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 04:04 PM

1119 sonnets as of yesterday...

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 01:52 AM

Sonnet 43

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of being and ideal grace.
I love thee to the level of every day's
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for right.
I love thee purely, as they turn from praise.
I love thee with the passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints. I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life; and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.


Elizabeth Barrett Browning, 1806 - 1861

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 11:42 AM

Yes Joe, one of the best ones, but your sonnet was not posted here by the author...


Note I did NOT post the ones I mentioned here- I reserve them for the
"In every thread someone has to be last!" thread, in case anyone else posts after me.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 11:55 AM

And it does has a couple of weak rhymes...

ways/*grace*/day's/praise

*faith*/breath/death

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 12:06 PM

EBB's , that is.




Triolets, on the other hand, could never kill a thread. Not enough gravitas.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Feb 18 - 12:09 PM

This might kill off THIS thread...



Sonnet 07/05/02         Bhan Sidhe                DCLXXXVIII

It was an odd noise that I heard, this night:
Not quite a scream, but far more than a gasp,
From moonless darkness, with no stars in sight.
What is this coldness, that my insides clasp?
Why do I weaken, hearing sound so far
Only the echo reaches ear, yet mind
Is twisted from intent? How can I bar
Gate of imagination to wyrd bind?
I fall, boneless with fright, and sweat breaks out;
Bowels turn to water with despair. I weep,
To lose all. I moan, but cannot give shout
To more than whimper, nor my reason keep.
She passes, and I live! Yet dare not rise
For fear of seeing Death within her eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:01 AM

Or this
Jim Carroll

CONCERNING THE INFANTICIDE, MARIE FARRER                by Bertolt Brecht (MacColl?s translation)

Marie Farrer, born in April,
No marks, a minor, rachitic, both parents dead,
Allegedly up to now without police record,
Committed infanticide, it is said,
As follows: in her second month, she says,
With the aid of a barmaid, she did her best
To get rid of her child with two douches,
Allegedly painful but without success.
BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN,
FOR MAN NEED HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN.

She then paid out, she says, what was agreed
And continued to lace herself up tight.
She also drank liquor with pepper mixed in it
Which purged her but did not cure her plight.
Her body distressed her as she washed the dishes,
It was swollen now quite visibly.
She herself says, for she was still a child,
She prayed to Mary most earnestly.
BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN,
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN.

Her prayers, it seemed, helped her not at all.
She longed for help.
Her trouble made her falter And faint at early Mass.
Often drops of sweat
Broke out in anguish as she knelt at the altar.
Yet until her time came upon her
She still kept secret her condition.
For no one would believe such a thing could happen,
That she, so unenticing, had yielded to temptation.
BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN,
FOR MAN NEED HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN.

And, on that day, she says, when it was dawn,
As she washed the stairs, it seemed a nail
Was driven into her belly.
She was wrung with pain.
But still she secretly endured her travail.
All day long while hanging out the laundry,
She wracked her brains until she got it through her head
She had to bear the child, and her heart was heavy.
It was very late when she went to bed.
BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN.

She was sent for again as soon as she lay down.
Snow had fallen and she had to go downstairs.
It went on till eleven. It was a long day.
Only at night did she have time to bear.
And so, she says, she gave birth to a son.
The son she bore was just like all the others.
She was unlike the others but for this
There is no reason to despise this mother,
YOU TOO, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN

With her last strength, she says, because
Her room had now grown icy cold, she then
Dragged herself to the latrine and there
Gave birth as best she could (not knowing when)
But toward morning. She says she was already
Quite distracted and could barely hold
The child for snow came into the latrine
And her fingers were half numb with cold.
YOU TOO, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN

Between the latrine and her room, she says,
Not earlier, the child began to cry until
It drove her mad so that, she says,
She did not cease to beat it with her fists
Blindly for some time till it was still.
And then she took the body to her bed
And kept it with her there all through the night.
When morning came she hid it in the shed.
BUT YOU, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN,
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN.

Marie Farrer, born in April,
An unmarried mother, convicted, died in
The Meissen penitentiary.
She brings home to you all men's sin.
You, who bear pleasantly between clean sheets
And give the name "blessed" to your womb's weight,
Must not damn the weakness of the outcast,
For her sin was black but her pain was great.
THEREFORE, I BEG YOU, CHECK YOUR WRATH AND SCORN
FOR MAN NEEDS HELP FROM EVERY CREATURE BORN

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM

Jim Carrol , You have touched the electrified third rail of abortion.

It has been said that no aborted fetus ever goes on to do anything.
Again there are exceptions, after all this is earth.
There have been survivors. What would you expect the survivors would say?
What do you think an abortion survivor would say about the procedure, rights and laws? I would say the mother holds all the cards but society pretends it is the dealer of the card game.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:55 AM

I didn't touch on anything - Brecht wrote that beautiful display of humanity, not me, for which he has my undying respect
The question of pregnancy termination ("the term abortion having been hi-jacked by the fundamentalists, should be incarcerated in the same prison as 'lunatic" and "spastic") " and all its fundamentalist connotations, is deserving a of a thread of its own (no doubt to be closed by that same fundamentalism)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:23 AM

That was incredibly moving Jim. The poor lassie.
And certainly a sort of 'thread killer' because one is lost for words after reading it.
To me, it was more about rejection, suffering, moral condemnation and extreme poverty. And being driven beyond endurance by overwhelming circumstances. The abortion question is almost a secondary issue, though obviously a driving factor in the tragedy of her life.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:39 AM

"That was incredibly moving Jim"
It is indeed Sen
We used to use it regularly in feature evenings along with the adult and children's' versions of The Cruel mother on either side
Pat is a great reader of poems, yet even she, along with the audience, was often reduced to tears after a reading
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:55 AM

A very moving poem.

Thank you, Jim Carroll, for posting it.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 01:51 PM

Jim I am not a fundamentalist yet I am an abortion survivor. If the word is politically tinged like 'illegal alien' so be it but being only a survivor is already taken by holocaust victims or reality show contestants. Without exception we are all born survivors of war, plagues and an inherently violent universe. We simply differ by variations of certain abundancies and deficiencies.
I am neither defined by a single experience or inclined to identify with victimhood. We are simply out here in surprising numbers, a testament to the tenacity of life like a flower in cracked concrete.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 02:59 PM

"Jim I am not a fundamentalist yet I am an abortion survivor."
Lucky old you
I know of women who died here because they were denied a life-saving termination because "we live n a Christian country"
Several children over the last decade or so were forced to go through pregnancy despite the fact they had been raped - by family members or strangers
One particularly nasty case involved an eleven year old daughter of itinerant land-workers who had been awarded two sexually transmitted diseases by her rapist yet was forced to undergo a life-threatening birth and told by her church to "embrace her martyrdom"
Pregnancy termination is not about the likelihood off survival or future health of foetuses - it involves all sorts of often heartrending decisions
If society is happy to send millions of young people to die on the battlefield or turn refugees back to murderous regimes or wars or certain starvation... or refuse to maintain a health sevice which is at present killing patients off through neglect and under-funding - then there has to be room for women to choose not give birth - up to an agreed point.
We are still dominated by a Religion that covered up clerical child rape for many decades, still regards contraception as evil and is at present opposing law reforms that will enable Ireland to arrive at somewhere in the mid twentieth century compared to the rest of the civilised world
I think it high time that such people learned to stay out of other people's bedrooms - that goes for all such voyeurs
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:21 PM

....and if that doesn't kill this thread,
then what does?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:30 PM

I'm afraid you may be right - doesn't make it any less true though
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 03:58 PM

Lucky old you, I had to walk to school in the snow uphill both ways.

and, although you did not ask, my mom survived too.

Jim,
There is nothing wrong with being the voice for those who did not survive. In fact there is a gallantry.
Instead of using the tone of anger and fear alone, for those who can not scream for themselves, I suggest you reserve a tone for us who are still alive and are sustained and motivated by love. That is - Unless you have Asperger's syndrome and have an inability to relate to flesh and blood people.

So the real question is who or what victimized you and your family?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:05 PM

Your brand of passionate empathy seems to come from a place very personal.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:07 PM

who hurt you

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 04:12 PM

Er...just a moment Donuel. My niece has Aspergers syndrome and is the most caring, kind and loving person I know. Just last week she was so sad to see a homeless woman begging in the snow outside her place of work that she paid for her to have a night in a B&B, to enjoy the warmth and use a shower etc. She booked the woman in herself and made sure she was comfortable. I was so proud of her.
Where do you get the idea from that Aspergers people have no ability to feel for others?
Regarding termination of pregnancy, I'm in the pro-choice camp. It's a woman's choice (ANY pregnant woman of ANY age) whether to proceed or not with a pregnancy. Terminations should be available under safe conditions with no stigma attached to the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 07:13 PM

"There is nothing wrong with being the voice for those who did not survive."
I didn't say there was
We are talking about controlled termination of pregnancy fort many reasons - nobody is specifying getting rid of a child because it might not be health - certainly I'm not
Sex has many functions, procreation being only one of them
"you did not ask, my mom survived too."
I did not ask because I have no idea what your personal circumstances are
Ending pregnancy within a restricted period is, as far as I'm concerned is a permissible act on the basis of the information that is privy to us
The same with rape, incest and a threat to the mother's life (in most circumstances)
It's a bit of a a cliché but modern society has decided that a woman has the right to control over her own body - again, up to a point - I've no problem with that
IT is she who has to bear the child and usually, it is she who has to bear the responsibility for it - as a rule, men don't and are usually the ones to walk away from a difficult (or them) relationship
Society, by and large, leaves the burden on the parent - usually the woman
Usually. it is men who pontificate about it and draw up the rules -
In thee case of the churches - the most vociferous and influential groups, it is largely elderly, supposedly celibate men at that.
I'm with Sen 100% on this
My empathy comes from my humanism (with a small "m")
I came from a poor, but caring family environment where we were all loved equally - but we were surrounded by families who weren't that lucky - 'sink' estates tended to be like that, largely because of the fact that they were sited in the most deprived areas
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 09:08 PM

Jim you mentioned people 'here' have lost their lives due to religious dictates and extreme political prejudice. While avatars obscures names do you recall anything more about the victims? I recall Quakers who posted here that became victimized in Iraq.

In my eyes your post has a worrisome side possibly due to a cultural disconnect or fatigue. I'll just focus on your factual knowledge side while abdicating my unintentional thread killing ability and declare you the reigning champion.

It seems your aim overall is historic outrage while mine is originality and fascist warnings. Am I right?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 04:30 AM

"I recall Quakers who posted here that became victimized in Iraq."
As an atheist I don't concern myself with one brand name or another - persecution is persecution, whoever the perpetrators or victims are - one certainly doesn't justify another, as is often argued
My concern is for the lack of humanity being shown in the name of one god against believers in another - surely fascism on a celestial level
My Heaven Uber Alles
God help us all
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 08:39 AM

When Steve Shaw comes to this pub he often drinks Atheist Light but you pound down 200 proof Atheism straight up. I laugh at myself for drinking an Atheist smoothie. Of the fifty shades of atheism yours is the darkest. I'll remind you that dark is a hard sell.

fear and anger is what fundamentalists and fascists use. Eventually it is to our advantage to make their fear and anger strategy the enemy and a tell tail of criminals.

So jesushrike on a stick lighten up like - celestial fascist uber alles. that's kinda funny.

Religion is most vulnerable now . Just look at 'The Mega Church of Perpetual Mulligans'.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 12:03 PM

The time is right for an atheist 'minister' to lead the flock of non believing church goers to greener truthful pastures. Not to an old morality but a morality everyone can feel 'Me too' and feel dignity again.

To not follow a figure but agree with a Moral person who is truthful.
In time more will agree. The pillars of democracy that are being nearly toppled will be held up by the hands of the new truthful.

The choice between criminal political religion OR join the truth movement will be an easy choice, even for some of the old believers.

The stumbling block of abortion&guns will have to be resolved for this reformation to succeed. This where I need more clever minds than mine to seek a good resolution. As you see most people will fall silent and actually help the transformation and mutual concessions.

The social movement of 'me too', truthism and resist is breaking open a crack in the concrete wall of oppression and victimization.
The time is as ripe as it gets to have a mutually beneficial revolution.

Do not think of this as a Manifesto, think of this as where we are today.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 12:41 PM

Bill Mahre for atheist minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 04:13 AM

Inarticulate ramblings should be a mandatory thread killer - unfortunately it is not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:37 AM

Seriously the Evangelical Christian World is in for a rough ride as a result of Trumpism. A clever self appointed reformer could lead many into a meaningful reformation away from Trumpism.

I thought you might be a spiteful tool for good but here you merely sound like a tool and write ad hominum insults just like Trump.
Also like Trump,
you need a Mulligan since you're in an unplayable stylistic rut.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 09:49 AM

"Seriously the Evangelical Christian World is in for a rough ride as a result of Trumpism"
The Christian church in general is having a rough ride thanks to its own behavour regarding child-rape - if you hadn't noticed.
"ad hominum insults"
I come from a Christian (Irish Catholic) background
I criticise what is happening - I never insult without reason
What has happened has effected members of my own family directly and has thrown many, along with friends and neighbours into a crisis of belief
If you find that unworthy of comment, you are very much in a minority
Go count the empty churches
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 04:59 PM

Another Mudcat Tavern thread has now been CLOSED.
It's one thing to let the thread ease off,
but it's closed.
And when you pull up the thread and look at the
last exchanges of posts thereon,
you can see what closed it!

I don't like it, not at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread Killers
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 05:32 PM

keb you are seldom extremely explicit. But I think I get it.

Jim you have come to expect unreasonable criticism too much.
You have allies. Churches are empty. Evangelical churches of profitability are full. I would like to know if they are successful in empowering parishioners with real money. Or are they just fleeced?

I am not above being a face in the crowd*. Being an honest face is a challenge to prove. Perhaps having no charisma but extremely honest can be a benefit.

*old movie