BS: editorial: does this matter

Subject: book tour vs. editorial
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Jan 18 - 07:51 PM

My local library's bulletin board, as I have posted on a previous thread,
showed a notice for an author holding a three-hour "forum"
for readings from his books followed by questions.
In fact, the notice has since had "rescheduled" written across it,
so at the very least the date is off;
and it is possible that the author may not in fact appear at all.

My attempt to find out more about the author turned up a lot of online material on the Internet.
What I keep coming back to is this editorial from a publication
called The Tyee.


I will now try to abridge this editorial and post the results here.
I ask your forbearance because I am new to copying articles, and my work may be clumsy.



Truth and Native Abuse:
How one man's wild claims threaten success of Truth and Reconciliation

[...]If Canada's famously defrocked United Church minister Kevin Annett really is prize-worthy and courageous [...], if you believe these things, I'm afraid there are quite a few more things you are going to have to believe, because you can't have it both ways [...] you will also have to believe this:

[item:]One of Canada's most respected First Nations' leaders is trafficking in children from Northern British Columbia in a profitable pedophilia ring that's run out of the West Hastings Street premises of the swish Vancouver Club. His clients are Vancouver judges, politicians, and church leaders.
[item:]Back in the 1930's, a team of German doctors arrived at the Kuper Island Indian residential school and began conducting strange medical experiments on the children. Employing large hypodermic needles, they injected some sort of toxin directly into the chests of the school's young inmates, and several were killed as a result.
[item:]As recently as the 1950's and 1960's, aboriginal children at a Vancouver Island medical research facility were tortured with electrodes implanted in their skulls. At least one child was beaten to death with a whip fitted with razors.
[item:]At the Hobbema and Saddle Lake Indian residential schools in Alberta, children were incinerated in furnaces. At St. Anne's residential school in Fort Albany, Ontario, children were executed in an electric chair. At McGill University in Montreal, there is a mass grave containing the bodies of aboriginal children killed in experiments undertaken by the Central Intelligence Agency's top-secret MK-ULTRA program.

[...]It all started in the early 1990's, when Annett was a promising but problematic novice minister whose first assignment was to serve the dwindling, white working-class congregation of St. Andrew's in the mill town of Port Alberni. It wasn't long before senior United Church officials discovered to their dismay that Annett was turning his Sunday services into something resembling a series of cathartic, guerilla-theatre testimonials about Satanic ritual abuse. The long and short of it is the United Church put its foot down. Its version of events is a matter of public record.
Annett's version in his self-published "Hidden from History: the Canadian Holocaust," his autobiographical "Love and Death in the Valley," and his recently-released, 110-minute autobiographical documentary, "Unrepentant: Kevin Annett and Canada's Genocide."

. . . . This matters.
For years, RCMP investigators have been chasing down these stories and they always come up with nothing. But they persist, like the alligators in New York's sewers.
It matters because the thousands of aboriginal people who really did suffer unspeakable torment in in residential schools deserve something rather more from us than our complicity in the act of dumping their very real suffering down a rabbit hole into the same parallel universe where you'll find alien abductions, Masonic plots, crop circles, and 9-11 conspiracies.

. . . . Believe it if you like. But the truth of all this actually matters.
It matters to me because I can count several old friends and colleagues among the people who show up as villains, collaborators, and stooges in Annett's conspiracy, and I know a thing or two about Annett from when we were both young socialists, back in the 1970's.
It's personal because as a young reporter, I covered trials of pedophile priests. I came to know their victims as friends. I also came to know brave and kind clergymen who taught in residential schools, and I co-authored a book about residential schools with the former inmates of St. Mary's Mission.
One does not need to exaggerate or embellish anything about what happened in those places.

. . . . After all this suffering, the very least we owe the dead, and the living, is the truth.

Terry Glavin, The Tyee, 30 April 2008

(thanks for listening)

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jan 18 - 08:35 PM

I am surprised that the library booked this person at all, and I don't think he'll ever speak there.

His ranting remind me of the furor about Maria Monk and the claims in her book(s).

As for the Magill University claim, have some folks from the UN go over the ground with ground-penetrating radar.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 31 Jan 18 - 08:58 PM

Keboroxu, when you first posted the announcement of Kevin Annett's scheduled appearance at your library, I was puzzled and intrigued, so I checked out his net presence and came across some of the same things you probably did.

I found some items that in the past have been indicators of, urm, unreliability: A belief in massive satanic abuse of children; debunking on the Snopes.com site; a self-proclaimed common-law People's Court, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS); and on the ITCCS site itself, mobilization alerts to citizen militias (Direct Action Units [Dau's]) to shut down child-sacrifices; and the creation of the common-law Republic of Kanata.

Now none of this is PROOF of the falsity of, for example, his Court's 2014 indictments of European royals and George Soros for hunting down naked children, but taken all together, it does give one reason to think.

If that is the case, however, then the harm he has done in distracting attention from any genuine mistreatment of indigenous Canadians is beyond words.

I'm interested in your take on all this.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Iains
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:58 AM

"For years, RCMP investigators have been chasing down these stories and they always come up with nothing. But they persist, like the alligators in New York's sewers."

This highlights a very real problem. There is documented history of the abuse of native people worldwide. Even in the UK during the highland clearances the indigenous clans were ethnically cleansed from many areas as sheep were more valuable. (a gross simplification of a vile part of British history) From extermination by disease to wholesale deportation into slavery from Africa the encounters with native peoples by europeans have been anything but civilised.
At the other extreme there are claims of child abuse ranging from those in the opening post to ongoing investigation in the UK to the sad saga of Boystown in the US. Some "witnesses"have been totally discredited. Does this mean though that all these allegations should be put in the same category as Elvis is alive and well, or lumped with other conspiracy theories?
The more time goes by the harder it is to gather sufficient evidence to make a successful case, and accusing the dead also requires substantiation of claims.
If going down the road of "no smoke without fire" innocent people become tainted, sometimes by witnesses later totally discredited. Conversely where minors are involved human decency requires the fullest of investigation of claims of abuse, whether sexual or medical or any other kind of abuse . Abuse undoubtedly occurred, the problem is how to determine the extent, severity,and the guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 11:36 AM

The notice that caught my attention in the first place,
might interest somebody besides me.
After I finish this post, I will return the copy of the notice to its spot on the library bulletin board; but for now, I took out the thumbtacks and carried the notice over to the public computer station in the same library, whence I send this post to the forum.


Quote:
Stopping the War Against Children and Humanity:
Reclaiming our Communities and the Law

beneath this headline is a badly reproduced photograph of
Kevin Annett, with a First Nations representative (woman),
outdoors in front of a Vancouver church (possibly a cathedral).
Kevin Annett is facing the camera and reading from a folder of papers.

to continue the text:

the details for the now "rescheduled" forum are given here,
the date, the hour, the place, and the comment,
"(please bring lunch, a break is provided)"

Text resumes.
For over twenty years, Rev. Kevin Annett has led the global campaign
to expose and prosecute genocide and child trafficking.
His efforts led to the forced resignation of Pope Benedict
and other top Vatican officials during 2013.
An inspiring speaker, author and whistleblower,
Kevin will describe how citizens can bring to justice
criminals in high places when the courts and governments refuse to do so.
Kevin will read from several of his recent books.
Discussion will follow.

Sponsored by local citizens
and the International Tribunal of Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS)

This Fourm [typo reproduced as printed in notice]
is part of a continent-wide speaking and community-organizing tour by Kevin Annett
under the auspices of the ITCCS and its common-law courts.
For more information see www.itccs.org,
www.murderbydecree.com,
and www.KevinAnnett.com --
Or contact [e-mail] or 386-323-5774

Endquote

Okay, back up to the bulletin board it goes.

Smell funny much??

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:16 PM

Serious question: why do you seem to want to keep wafting that smell around?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:19 PM

Jackaroodave asked for my take on all this.
Besides, there is more, MUCH more, about this decades-old, shall we call it journalism.
For a start, my original post is an abridgment:
Terry Glavin's editorial is considerably longer than what is posted here.
There is much more detail about Kevin Annett in particular
and about the many things he has to say/write/announce/publish.
My abridgment was intended to tighten the focus in the direction of
the "Truth and Reconciliation" coverage
(which was going on when Glavin published his editorial in The Tyee)
and to focus less on Annett calling attention to himself.
But the editorial in full can be found in more than one format online.

To say nothing of other coverage of this ongoing saga.

The time is fitting, however, for my own perspective.
My angle has two distinct factors.

First, I am the adult survivor of an extended blood-relative family
in which generations of abuse and trauma
have been contained and concealed through
a culture of falsehoods and denials.
Anything about conspiracies, cover-ups, and abuse traumas
is going to hit a nerve with me for the most personal and private of reasons.
That is all I prefer to disclose here and now, from that factor.

Second, my encounters and observations with/of other people
on the frontlines of situations
in which groups, large or small, of people try to recover and heal.

I am thinking, as regards abuse trauma survival, of two cases.
One case is the British Columbia location of Kamloops, I have never been there.
When Kevin Annett was still a practicing Reverend of the United Church of Canada,
in 1992 and 1993,
a team of helping professionals under the auspices of
the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation (archives available online, at the Foundation's website)
was keeping regular in-person commitments in Kamloops
to the families of inmates of Kamloops residential Indian schools.
My name was on the mailing list for the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation,
and so I regularly received, in the snail-mail at my address,
updates on the Foundation's activities, including their Kamloops visits.
I remember the term "mass murders," rather than "genocide," being used by Dr. Kübler-Ross herself to describe
the historical trauma being confronted in Kamloops.
The Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation
did NOT scream for attention in the way that Kevin Annett has done.
The EK-R people listened, at length and in strict confidentiality,
to the stories that there were to tell.
Then, they closed out the public, rolled up their sleeves, and went to   work.
There were no press conferences or speeches or rallies et cetera, et cetera.
There was simply work to be done, and they did what work they could.

To be very brief,
the same is true of a Catholic ministry organization where I live,
whose service is provided to the incarcerated of the state penitentiaries;
of course men and women inmates are separately incarcerated,
regardless, this ministry works with both men and women.
They work with those who have no possibility of parole,
who will live and die in the penitentiary,
and they address after-care issues with parolees.
Some of the histories are deeply troubling; a few, sensational.
Strict confidentiality is maintained,
and the ministry itself, regardless of its own ups and downs
(like the chaplain who was escorted from the penitentiary by guards
and dismissed from their post),
does not call attention to itself, but does its best to help.

The most I did was a little bit of volunteer work on a temporary basis
for this ministry organization, that's my involvement.
I would never tell the ministers and board members how to do their job.
I'm not worthy to take credit for the work that they do,
let alone for its beneficial consequences.

Kevin Annett falls pretty short, by comparison,
of the examples set by these two groups of people.
Thanks for listening.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:20 PM

Perhaps, Greg F., that answers your question,
and perhaps not.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 12:38 PM

It certainly answers mine. Thank you for explaining, Keberoxu.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:25 PM

I'm still unclear of your purpose in all this, though. Are you looking for some sort of response from us, or are you wanting to warn us, or enlighten us, or something else?

Btw, this touches on some matters of particular interest to me, which is why I'm posting.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:17 PM

Well, I think its been pretty firmly established that Annett is a real POS.

I think that purpose is pretty well fulfilled.

What else?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:53 PM

The opening post in this thread quotes an editorial by Terry Glavin.
Glavin's name turns up in Mudcat threads if you run a search;
so this is not the first time Glavin has been quoted here.

Glavin's 2008 editorial from The Tyee is not solely focused on
"one man's wild claims," to quote from the editorial title.
And when the editorial repeatedly
(my version left out some of the repeats, I admit it)
asserts, "This matters,"
the object of "this matters" is not limited to the unreliable Kevin Annett.
That editorial has something to say about subjects bigger than one noisy individual.
To Glavin, those subjects matter.
Reasoned consideration and exploration of those subjects matter to him.

Do they matter to the rest of us?

What about Terry Glavin's statement:
"I co-authored a book about residential schools with the former inmates of St. Mary's Mission."
Any observations or opinions about Terry Glavin's journalism in general,
or the above book in particular?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:38 PM

When Terry Glavin wrote his The Tyee editorial in 2008,
he also had his own blog;
I don't think this blog is active today
but it remains online, and so does this related article.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 08:24 PM

As I said, it's beyond words.

The little I know about North American indigenous peoples' Truth and Reconciliation movements comes from a presentation given by representatives of the Maine Wabanaki Tribes Truth and Reconciliation Comission I attended a couple of years ago.

What they wanted to talk about was
1. Their work
2. The vast scope of the forced removal of Indian children from their homes, and the cultural genocide of their re-training by forced immersion in the white culture in government boarding schools.
3. That although the schools were no longer, the practice of white officials removing children from troubled nuclear families--instead of allowing them to stay in the extended family--was a continuation of the violation of their culture and family structure.

They did not talk about specific atrocities, but about the general one, exemplified by the motto of the Indian boarding schools, "Kill the Indian and Save the Man." I imagine under this rubric individual schools fostered even more physical and sexual abuse than is always endemic to coercive residential institutions for children.

The expression was coined by Richard Henry Pratt, former Indian POW camp manager and founder of the Carlisle Indian School (whose best known alumnus was Jim Thorpe, the great Olympic and American Football athlete.) It is also the title of a book about the US Truth and Reconciliation Commissions by Colorado University professor Ward Churchill, which is described here: Kill the Indian and Save the Man

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 09:25 PM

Disturbing issues having to do with aboriginal children and residential schools have been, and continue to be, given significant coverage in mainstream media and in political discourse in Canada. There is no reason to believe that if there were basis for the claims this Annett person makes, they would not be raised both in the media and in Parliament - and within the United Church, for that matter. They are not shy about such things.

This guy sounds like a looney.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:05 PM

I'm going to sound really dumb, but:

what is this "common-law" shtick?
and who actually believes it?

Is this part of a
left-wing indoctrination?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:30 PM

Oh, brother. Or sister.

Do google "common law" and leave us out of it.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:39 PM

Is that the Royal "Us," by chance?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 12:46 PM

And then, of course, there is a Mudcat search.
Turns up that the Mudcat member Gnu has posted on the subject.
Perhaps you and he disagree on the subject,
but that's legal, yes?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 02:56 PM

In the US, the most frequent use of the "common law schtick" is in the ultra-right-wing "sovereign citizens" movement, which has included individuals like the domestic terrorist Tim McVeigh, and racist groups like Christian Identity and the Posse Comitatus.

Since these groups are all extremist, there a variety of drearily wacky "legal theories" they rely on to support their contention that US law and government are illegitimate. But some version is usually involved when you read about a standoff between rural whites and the federal government, or an arrested ultra-right-winger refusing to recognize the legitimacy of the court trying him (sic).

Wikipedia has plenty on the above, as does the Anti-Defamation League (adl.org), and the Southern Poverty Law Center (splcenter.org), so googling "sovereign citizen site:adl.org" (without "   "), for example, would give you a better overview than I have.

Setting up alternative legal bodies or political units on the claimed basis of English common law are tactics they've used. Otherwise, I don't know of any connection between them and Kevin Annett, who seems quite eclectic in the theories he selects to subscribe to.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:11 PM

Is that the Royal "Us," by chance?

No, that's the "us" who have more than a rudimentary -or no- education.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 02:55 PM

Journalist Terry Glavin also contributes to the Ottawa Citizen.
An older Mudcat thread had a link to one of his harder-hitting opinions published in that paper. However, the link is no good now; and searches at the Ottawa Citizen website are futile, there is no bringing up that particular piece of writing. So no direct link is possible.

Here is my attempt to quote Terry Glavin's article in this post; this is a second-hand source, as I am copying a post in a different forum, where the member wanted to copy out the article for the forum membership. Lucky thing they did, because there is no place else for me to read Glavin's writing in this particular case.

Idle No More or The Demon Harper? There's Another Choice

By Terry Glavin -- Ottawa Citizen -- January 10, 2013

It all sounds so wonderfully simple.
On the one side,
we have Canada, a genocidal, racist, colonial settler state
that just wants to rape the land and poison the water.
On the other,
we have sacred indigenous nations that just want
to protect Turtle Island and be spiritual about everything.
Now pick a side.

Thank you, Idle No More.
Joining a revolution has never been so easy,
and already, the ramparts are being breached.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper hosts a delegation
from the leadership of the Assembly of First Nations on Friday.
It's actually
a meeting the AFN was supposed to have had with Harper
some time ago, but never mind that.
Don't spoil the excitement.

This is not to say that there's been nothing worthwhile
about the impromptu flash-mobbing and the aboriginal-themed block parties
that have been breaking out at random all over the place in recent weeks.
Nobody's in charge.
It can mean whatever you want it to mean. Wow!
What will happen next?
Besides, it's been almost wholly peaceful and lawful and fun.

But to imagine this as a "progressive movement" requires a certain suspension of disbelief.
There are just too many bothersome little contradictions
that have to be kept off camera, or the whole thing falls apart.
Like last year's so-called Occupy movement, Idle No More offers nothing
remotely resembling any achievable or identifiable demands.
Sorry, but calling for the immediate repeal
of the ruling Conservatives' entire legislative agenda doesn't count.
And while Idle No More is supposed to be a function of social media
and the emergence of new forms of "horizontal" political organization,
it's now almost entirely a function of the "old" media's news cycles.

This has meant endless opportunities for journalists and activists
who've never set foot inside an Indian reserve
to declaim gravely and loudly in the matter of
what Indians want, what Indians think and how Indians feel.
So much for "awareness-raising."
And never mind that Kahnewake Mohawks
have about as much in common
with Kwakwaka'wakw people as with Corsicans or Marsh Arabs.
The contradictions just keep piling up.

It's true that Chief Theresa Spence's home community of Attawapiskat
was in the grips of a scandalous housing crisis last winter,
and that she and NDP MP Charlie Angus deftly handled the serious journalism
that Global TV and the CBC put into it all.
But it's also true that Chief Spence's boyfriend
is on the Attawapiskat payroll at $850 a day;
the CBC now stands accused of collaborating with shadowy Conservative propagandists
in disclosing the contents of a "leaked" financial audit;
and Chief Spence had a Global TV crew strong-armed out of Attawapiskat only this week.

The contradictions are plentiful and shy-making.
Attawapiskat's own investment portfolio, for instance,
includes holdings in oilsands majors
like the Chinese National Offshore Oil Corp., the pipeline-builder Enbridge and other such water-poisoners and land-rapers.
Here's another thing you're not supposed to know:
The aging hipster activists who are providing so much of the oxygen for Idle No More
are the very same "social movement" activists
who actually engineered the defeat of the historic aboriginal self-government provisions of the Charlottetown accord in 1992.
Hey, thanks for the help, white friends.
But these are "distractions."
There are eagle feather rituals and sacred fires to attend to.
Everyone's in buckskin and colorful headgear,
and while most of this stuff is really just powwow performance art
that can't claim even the most tenuous connection
to any real aboriginal traditions in Canada,
journalists just love this stuff.
It means you don't actually have to do any work.


The public computer is kicking me off because the library will close shortly.
The preceding is
&Ccopy; copyright, the Ottawa Citizen.

To be concluded in a future post.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: meself
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 03:30 PM

That's an opinion piece on, literally, 'old news' - five years old, to be precise. Now, I'm probably a bit dense, but I still don't understand what you're trying to get at with this thread ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 03:54 PM

(continued from previous post)

The phenomenon has reaffirmed that there is an enormous reservoir of goodwill among ordinary working Canadians,
and the breathless awe with which we are all exhorted to behold the recent parades
has whetted a political appetite that might be slaked
only by radical change in Indian Country.
This is good.
But Idle No More's wholly unaccountable non-leadership remains fixated
on assertions of aboriginal hyper-authenticity and a sweetgrass-clouded rejectionism
that guarantees the persistence of a bleak and grotesque status quo.
Not so good.

Here's how that works.
Rob Clarke of the Muskeg Lake Cree First Nation in Saskatchewan
would very much like to get rid of the Indian Act
(and so say we all).
It's a decrepit, burdensome, and unutterably stupid law
that is far and away the heaviest of all the statutory millstones
around the necks of Canada's aboriginal peoples.
Clarke is now the popular MP for Desnethé-Missinippi-Churchill River.
His riding takes in most of the land mass of Saskatchewan,
and his voters are mostly Cree and Métis people.

Clarke's private members bill, C-428, is a modest thing
that proposes a handful of immediate amendments,
one of which would lift the Byzantine rigmaroles governing
the sale of potatoes cultivated on Indian reserves (yes, really).
More importantly, C-428 would require the Indian Affairs minister
to report regularly and meticulously on the government's progress
as the department consults and collaborates with First Nations leadership
on the long-overdue repeal and replacement of the Indian Act.
For his trouble, Clarke has been blasted
by the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations
for failing to adequately consult with them about his proposal for consultations;
and Idle No More's founding grievance list
identifies Bill C-428 as a violation of the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

Idle No More's founders have similarly traduced Inuit Senator Charlie Watt's proposed law, in Bill S-207,
which would explicitly prohibit all federal statutes
from abrogating or derogating from
the aboriginal and treaty rights enshrined in Section 35 of the Constitution.
Like that would be a bad thing.

Another thing we're supposed to avoid mentioning is that
Idle No More constitutes a failed style and a hackneyed polemic
that has been percolating mainly at the margins since the 1970's;
and it's precisely the thing [that] the Assembly of First Nations itself
resoundlingly rejected last summer in its landslide re-election
of the eminently competent and dynamic national chief Shawn Atleo.
There had been remarkable progress underway under Atleo's leadership,
on a variety of fronts, until only a few months ago.

The only serious question about Idle No More now
is whether it will mobilize public support for the AFN agenda under its brand
or undermine Shawn Atleo's leadership altogether.
Sorry, but the choice isn't between Folk Devil Stephen Harper and those graceful blue creatures from Avatar.
It's between play-acting in period costume
and actual and real political engagement.
Unless it's the latter, Idle No More will collapse under the weight of its own contradictions.
We'll see.

Copyright, the Ottawa Citizen.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:03 PM

If you are a bit dense, meself,
then the denser of the two of us is probably yours truly.
Both of the articles I have quoted/abridged here
are by the same journalist, Terry Glavin.
And whether the article is five years old or ten years old,
the question remains, Does this matter?

A corollary question might be, does the poster (me)
have something to say about it?
Why would the poster post these articles to speak for themselves?

Let's try this on for size:
some twenty-five years ago, through the Elisabeth-Kübler-Ross Foundation,
I first heard of Kamloops and the historical trauma of which it is one example.
Slowly and gradually it has been possible for me to look at this historical trauma
without my own post-traumatic triggers switching on and blocking out.
And in this thread, what I now observe is being shared for others to consider.

Whether or not my level and quality of interest and consideration
are Mudcat-forum-thread worthy,
I leave to others to say.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:28 PM

I still don't understand what you're trying to get at with this thread ... ?

Thank God I'm not alone.....

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: meself
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 04:33 PM

If I may say so, you have a somewhat oblique way of expressing yourself. But if I understand, it seems, to put it simply, you find this stuff interesting/shocking/bewildering/important and are wanting to share it, and see if anyone has anything to say about it. Now, some of us - me, anyway - have been following these issues, if not having been directly involved in them, for many years. So, it's hard to know how to respond without writing a book on the subject .....

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 11:42 AM

This is one way of putting it.
Mudcatter Michaelr 's way of putting it is that I talk to myself, and he has a point.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 01:05 PM

The object of starting this thread looks self-evident to me.
The original poster, me, observed a public notice for a speaking event in the context of a book tour by an author.
Granted, the author makes claims that go well beyond authoring books,
but the book tour is the author's excuse for giving
a "three hour forum, with break for lunch"
on a Saturday at the local branch of the public library.

If I have not stated this before,
when this bulletin-board notice got my attention,
among my information-gathering attempts
was a thorough search using the Mudcat Forum search feature.
And yes, author Kevin D. Annett's name not only turns up
in older Mudcat threads,
but thread posts liberally quoted his writing on the subject of
"Canadian Genocide."

It surprised me that nobody came back to post to those threads and say,
Excuse me, but this Kevin Daniel Annett has got a history, a past,
and a consistent pattern of behavior in public,
all of which have been exposed and reported on by A, B, C, and D,
in this and that time, place, and context. And so on.

And most likely I have not done so properly,
but I made an attempt at doing so
and there my attempt stands.

Subject: RE: BS: editorial: does this matter
From: meself
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 02:54 PM

Okay, that's clear. Now, I had never heard of this character before, so I didn't have anything much to say about him. I suspect no else said anything about him for the same reason. In other words, he seems to be a guy out there on the fringes that nobody has heard of.