BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?

Subject: BS: Should we Mind-Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 06:47 PM

Believe me this discussion has been underway for a long time in ultra secure rooms in DC and Virginia. Now since the ways and means of Russian attacks are in the public domain, will the American people enjoy or condemn pay back?

If we retaliate, how?

*will Trump allow?*

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 08:59 AM

Red Alert issued by our most respected journalist Tom Freidman

RED ALERT

Watch this brief interview for a concise fundamental issues that is erasing America in this age of PutinTrump.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 09:17 AM

Pot and kettle springs to mind. The pot is allegations, the kettle is proven.

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-has-history-of-meddling-in-foreign-elections
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374372-ex-cia-director-us-meddles-in-foreign-elections-for-a-good
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/?u

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 09:53 AM

So that's your answer?, what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander. That's revealing. That is a admission. Are you allowed to admit that?

In response to the IMPORTANT Friedman red alert, you have used all the Russian Bot Reponses.

Cold war warriors are growing older but they know the ropes and what has to be done even in the midst of the uninitiated.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 10:09 AM

I judge bearded bruce as an unwitting American subject to recent developments' but You in turn operate with complete malice and forethought. You use identical modus operandi to RussIains. You have even tried the classic smear.

The last identifier fell into place by your mere response.
Strike 3.

The US has the means to have millions of Russians celebrating the departure of Putin. Much to Putin's dismay and surprise.

and you can not prevent it.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 10:22 AM

The counter extremism project
https://www.counterextremism.com/news-and-media/press-releases

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:15 PM

Donuel. You read too many comics.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:39 PM

I was an R Crumb fan.

I have yet to make an official report pending analysis of your posting history - pre and post 2014. You still could be an unwitting victim or a deliberate perpetrator.

I made accusations to the FBI in 1987 by intuition that was dismissed as fiction but turned out to be Earth shattering and true.

At my age I will rely on cold hard facts before passing it on.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 03:20 PM

"the average modern westerner" spoken like a true comrade.
I see your 'infiltration' did not begin until 2016.
You have a good grasp on anarchy however.
On the other hand, if true, there is some heroic stoicism here.



From: Iains - PM
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 02:04 PM

Donuel. To set the record straight I started my career with a Canadian mining company mainly prospecting in Snowdonia North Wales. I then did my serious training in the US of A in sunny Dallas, Texas, before being turned loose in SE Asia. Not colonial but neocolonial companies for the most part. For some these distinctions are important, for those unfortunates at the bottom of the heap there is little to distinuish between the two. They are still shat on big time. It is a shame that most posting here have no real appreciation of the thoroughly miserable existence of many of these people. Documentaries or a 30 second soundbite on CNN etc. cannot even begin to paint a picture of the realities and the sheer awfulness of such deprivation. The average westerner is so cocooned and pampered that their life expectancy in such an environment would probably be measured in weeks. Deli belly in the first couple of days and accelerating downhill from there onwards. No access to clean water, medicines and desperate poverty, with many suffering from malaria, in places Bilharzia and other worm infestations, desperate infant mortality numbers apart from the litter of war in places like Angola. Driving the same road for months and then to find you have been driving over mines uncovered after severe rain further hammers home the point that some places are simply horrible. To further add to the misery malnutrition is rampant and in the Sahel especially, famine is always just around the corner.
   I find it extremely worrying that modern life in the west is so reliant on a "just in time" delivery model especially as so called strategic reserves in the UK were apparently run down decades ago.
I am purposely restricting myself to Afica, recent happenings in the middle east and not so recent happenings in Indonesia are a complex tale of further misery.
The system has no resilience. I hope we never have to determine if the saying 'we are only 7 meals from anarchy' has any truth to it. Even the knowledge displayed in the TV series 'The good Life' has had another generation to decay and the accumulated wisdom of John Seymour's generation is known to a very small aged minority. If our system ever sustains a severe shock I am afraid most will become history and the survivors will give a whole new meaning to the term "sorry-arsed".

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 05:34 PM

While I think of rush Iains a unique person of interest most people should be honored to call him a friend. THERE IS NO PERSONAL VENDETTA on this side.
So why the recalcitrance to say what you play
unless its banjo. ":^/

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:06 PM

If I'm understanding this thread, it starts by mentioning Thomas Friedman's Monday New York Times Column "Whatever Trump Is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now" and his issuing of a 'Code Red', basically his latest Trump comment that Trumps reactions to the FBI work being done under Mueller are, as Neddy Seagoon would say, "Suspiciously Suspicious". Trump does not appear to address the consistent and multi-sourced information of a widespread Russian hacking attack on the United States polity via pretty much every possible internet venue.

Trump's motives may be surmised at, but his reaction is off kilter, according to Friedman, and it is serious because he's the (gulp) President.

The other links poste by Iains are not really surprising. The U.S. has attempted to weigh in on decisions, including electoral ones, in other countries. We're not fans of Putin, Berlusconi, the extreme right wing racist parties in various European countries. Obama made a speech in England against BREXIT, and so on. Putin has made it clear he regards American behavior under Obama as aginst his interests, and while he denies involvement in the widespread Russian hacking, it is clear that he is not 'agin' it'.

I think Putin is deeply involved, the descriptions of the hacking procedures are believable, that there are establishments of computer savvy people, they don't all have to be in the same place or from the same place, but they are given assignments and approvals as to what to do. And there are interested parties of non Russian origin who are contributing to the overall destabilizing effect that comes with persistent dessemination of eye-catching crap in large volumes.

I think Putin regards this as the inherent weakness of the modern democracies. Democracy is under attack everywhere, and not just by him. It absolutely is existential with the United States as the big kahuna and guess what? Many Americans are joining the party on the anti-Democracy side of the table.

This isn't precisely 'new' but what changes the situation from past situations, as usual, is THE TECHNOLOGY. The ability to simulate reliable sources, the digital world's ability to disseminate 'truthiness' at lightspeed and wide-angles, is the would-be gamechanger.

And the audience is not educated to be discriminating.

I am not sure what Donuel means by "The US has the means to have millions of Russians celebrating the departure of Putin. Much to Putin's dismay and surprise."

The United States has superb programmers and presumably, hackers, but there is a fine line to be drawn between being the best utter prevaricator and being maybe the last believable information source left in the digital universe. Thomas Friedman is justifiably afraid that we have a political leader who is not able to make that distinction. But we still can, for now.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:33 PM

Putin's government controls the internet in Russia so it would be very difficult for the US to infiltrate to the extent that it could influence the elections. Also Putin sees to it than any serious challenger to him is rendered "unavailable" to run against him electorally. Those are the perks of a dictatorship.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 08:25 PM

Well constructed and laser beam focused robo.

Correct I didn't say but suppose Putin is off on a fishing trip when it is internet 'suggested' that Putin has been possibly killed and millions of Russians are shown to be celebrating across Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Britain... yes it is a cold war tactic on steroids but infra structure hacking makes retaliation with social media weapons a desperate dangerous decision ever since our stuxnet (Olympus) Malware found itself into Russia kinda by accident (4 years ago}

There are worse things the internet can do than infuriate folks on Facebook and twitter.

There are a myriad of strategies to wage all kinds of cyber wars.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:30 AM

Lies, lies and more dammed lies!
All of It? I wonder!


http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/stunning-mueller-patched-together-much-indictment-2015-radio-free-europe-article/

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:29 AM

I wonder how many of those that accept the Russian meddling, as being a serious threat to democracy, also blindly accept the official narrative of 9/11? Seems a natural progression of Gladio to me.

Beware of being labelled " a useless eater!" It exposes your vulnerabilitiesy.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:18 AM

Iains of course you are not a bot. Within the confines of Mudcat technology you can only be a one post at a timer but you follow and post the party line of Putin's weaponized chaos propaganda either by choice or by hire.

Here's the rub. Circumstantial evidence can not find you guilty or innocent. That grey area of not innocent still protects those who engage in psycho cyber war. These digital warriors monetize eyeballs on Facebook. They do not take responsibility for the pollution and hate they send downstream to be consumed by the innocent.

In other social media it is savvy to be able to pot bots.
https://medium.com/dfrlab/botspot-twelve-ways-to-spot-a-bot-aedc7d9c110c

We have been in a cold cyber war since we destroyed Iran's centrifuges with stuxnet software. Now it is as pervasive as it can possibly be without attacks on infra structure. Instead something more vital is attacked, our elections and minds.

Like the fundamental driving factor in the gun debate, it is the financial bottom line of gun makers , in the digital Internet world, it is the Platforms like Facebook and google that does not want to change

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:35 AM

20 years ago on mudcat people openly said "Don't feed the trolls"

*Someone* has fed them and they have grown.

Everyone has their own troll definition but 'don't feed the trolls' is still good advice.

*Putin, NRA, Nazis, Klan...*

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:33 PM

Donuel. In answer to your earlier question, I can compete with Guantanamo Bay, simply by blowing a tin whistle. My talent with pipes you would not really want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:49 PM

I play Fried, pan flute and ocarinas by wind but strings by finger is easier. I want one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5znHQ9QRY

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:05 PM

the world's best

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:08 PM

This is what he looks like today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly8rYmc2-kI

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: bobad
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 05:00 PM

Russian military spies hacked several hundred computers used by authorities at the 2018 Winter Olympics in South Korea, according to US intelligence. They attempted to make it appear as though the intrusion was conducted by North Korea, in what is known as a “false-flag” operation, said two US officials.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:42 AM

NSA chief Mike Rodgers testified before the Senate yesterday that the President has not directed him to do anything about the Russia internet or election attacks.

The answer is in, we are not allowed to mind jack Russia back unless the Commander and Chief orders it.

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 06:34 PM

Pro-gun Russian bots flooded twitter after Parkland shooting

Bret Schafer, a research analyst with the Alliance for Securing Democracy, says the spike in shooting-related posts from Russia-linked bots is in line with what his group observed after last year's shootings in Las Vegas and Texas. The Russia-linked bots weigh in on any attention-grabbing news event, but seize on shootings particularly. "Because of the politicized nature of them, they are perfect fodder to take an extreme position and start spreading memes that have a very distinct political position on gun control," he says.

Wired

Subject: RE: BS: Should we Mind - Jack Russia back?
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:38 PM

NPR ran a news story this morning about Alexander Torshin a longtime Russian political activist and FOP (Friend Of Putin) who is also a longtime NRA member and pro-NRA tweeter. The NRA has been his connection to many American politicians, Trump apparently included. He has tweeted long in the open about his activities and connections, but so far in Russian.

Wonder if the NRA would be allowed to operate Russian chapters?