BS: Syrian Conflict

Subject: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:22 AM

Here you go boys a dedicated thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:30 AM

Not much point. Jimmy believes the white helmets are on the side of the angels.(Perhaps they are as they can wander about an area supposedly exposed to Sarin, and require no protection.)Perhaps they are angels or, more likely, simply bullshit artistes. No doubt he believes in the tooth fairy as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

You got nothing to say, so open a thread? Can't rub a couple of neurons together? What are you, gods gift to thread openers? Did you go to a one room school house and sleep for twelve years?
Why don't you wait until someone has something to say, then let THEM name the damthread.

curmudgeoncurmudgeoncurmudgeoncurmudge-

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:48 AM

Sorry Rag- if you really believe that you can sanitise Brexit by excluding all its side-effects we really do occupy different planets and wherever you try to sideline these problems you're bout to attract the inevitable inarticulate troll with their (Jimmy")
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:50 AM

Because Robomatic they are discussing the Syrian conflict on a thread dedicated to another subject thus detracting from the main subject
there.

Is that reason OK for you?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:04 AM

Makes a change from the "weeds, wandering and wine" that you and your little mates are prone to infest threads with.
Would you like some examples?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:05 AM

"they are discussing the Syrian conflict on a thread dedicated to another subject"
Cross-posted - you've had your answer on this and the other thread Rag
Would welcome a response
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:14 AM

Sauce for the goose and all that!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 12 Feb 17 - 06:57 AM

One area of the Connemara, Slyne Head (which boasts two lighthouses) is a place with a remarkable array of orchids. Frequently found are the Greater Butterfly Orchid which is stunningly beautiful in June and July.

No deviation from that thread now. Is there boyo?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:16 AM

Thanks for the context, R, but maybe taking the trouble in the OP would make life a little easier for those of us who need to be led by the nose!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:21 AM

The Syrian conflict is serious subject well worth discussing and a dedicated thread seemed to be the best way to promote that.

If people want to post about wild flowers, beer, food or even lighthouses on the Brexit thread that is fine, a refreshing break from some of the turgid nonsense that Brexiteers post.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:22 AM

Robo, you say tomato I say tomato.

Iains is not a curmudgeon he is a Russian provocateur.

He is a HATE SHAPER, a shape shifter, a denier and ignorer of truth.

Much to his dismay Iains will deny this truth: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/report-russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/23/russian-mercenary-boss-spoke-kremlin-attacking-us-forces-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:44 AM

"The Syrian conflict is serious subject well worth discussing and a dedicated thread seemed to be the best way to promote that."
Yes it is, but there is no reason it cannotot be discussed on other related threads
These things are inseparable and cannont be forced into filing draws when they are inter-related
Nice thought about out tame troll Don
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:05 AM

No dismay at all Donuel. I have a very discriminating bullshit detector. A shame many others do not. Like most other subjects Syria is not black and white. Shades of grey prevail. The only certainty is that the war in Syria was started by external forces. No guesses as to who was behind it. However you continue to believe your false news narratives and disparage alternative viewpoints. One day the chickens will come home to roost and in your environment there will be much squawking. American hegenomy will falter, just like all other empires. It may all be bread and circuses occurring thousands of miles away today, but do you think that situation will prevail indefinitely?
   What is the equivalent today of the Vietnam?
          Hey, Hey, LBJ! How Many Kids Did You Kill Today??
APHGANISTAN
IRAQ
LIBYA
SYRIA
YEMEN..................

The protest back in the Vietnam era was widely supported.
Explain why there is no equivalent protest today?
False news?
Ignorance?
Dumbed down Education?

You tell me!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:30 AM

"You tell me!"
Indifference of the part of politicians and a policy of self interest sond by them in the form of Trump, the rise of fascism in Europe and turds like you who described what was happening in the first place as "false news"
The sixties and seventies were very different worlds than today's passive acceptance of atrocities in the name of 'national security'
The West, Britain and America in particular have now adoppted an 'dog-eat-dog' attitude and turned their back on what is happening in the world
We have allowed or politicians to become 'part of the problems' rather than solutions to them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:07 AM

well I sense a change in tone but your pre Soviet questions are easy =

There is no draft as in Viet Nam

As an expert in fake news you know that isn't even a question.

There is deliberate exaggerated fox tribalism that divides and conquers.

Ignorance is immortal.


Your other points are however indisputable.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:27 AM

A very selfish society driving around partly on "American" oil that underlies many parts of the Middle East.(The bible according to Bush) Could not give a shit about the death toll generated by your policies. Everything is OK providing you do not have to repatriate too many in body bags. It is all just another video game played out on TV is it not?
Strange that Isis was defeated and keeps popping up again all over fully armed and equipped. Must be magic, must it not?
Unless of course Uncle Sam is handing out pressies!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:28 AM

Putin learned well the lessons of Viet Nam and Afghanistan - control of the media and internet avoids his public seeing images of their boys returning home in boxes. If anything leaks through he has that covered with his pseudo mercenaries story. The perks of dictatorship.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:32 AM

Predictably Iains ignored the Russia attacking US troops - breaking story.
He pivoted to a Russian blames the US equivalency argument.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/22/report-russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/

A tame troll? The evidence points elsewhere.
You don't have to be Hercule Poirot

Russ-Iains what you say about empires goes double for Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:43 AM

It's pretty clear that these pseudo mercenaries are taking their marching orders from the Russians. Just as in the Ukraine they are regulars who have changed uniforms. This avoids having to follow military protocol when repatriating the dead and wounded. Public opinion is feared by dictators that's why Putin does everything to control it.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:47 AM

"Must be magic, must it not?"
The rise of Isis is a direct result of the inaction on Syria during the Homs slaughter - a bunch of cranks who offered an alternative and self-interest
While that indifference and self-interest remains, so will nutters like Isis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:07 AM

Iains, just admit your Russian sympathies.
What you have to say about Russian friends who convinced you of their version of solidarity and fairness is far more interesting and truthful than posting fake news.

Who knows, you could find more sympathetic ears and converts than with endless political chaos strategies. There is chess to play instead of Putin's checkers.

Like you, Trump will ignore Russians now attacking US troops
Now is the best time for you to get real.

Did opposition to US insanities draw you in or an idealized notion of communism?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:11 AM

"russian-approval-preceded-attack-on-us-troops-in-syria/"

Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:21 AM

Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces.

Except they announced that have withdrawn their ground forces......oops.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:58 PM

Plenty of their blackwater equivalents though(and I suspect they are not forced to go through quite so many name changes). How many American troops are really there? Illegally!

Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence. They simply prolong the carnage among the civilian population. But civilians cannot fight back and therefore would seem to count for nothing. Is that why there is a deliberate policy to destroy infrastructure and embed troops among the producing oil fields? Why else the concentration around the oilfields of Deir ez-Zor and fighting around the gas fields of Ash Shaer?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:22 PM

Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence.

Rather like the U.S. in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Didn't seem to stop 'em, tho, rational case or not......

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:37 PM

"Russia is aiding it's ally Syria to remove illegal forces."
And a large slice of the civilian population, as it has always done
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:39 PM

How dare you make a rational case. ":^{
I think Iains has found his voice.

Russia is employing the US version of Blackwater. Russia is using a weaponized party line for chaos and confusion as powerfully as our NSA Olympus program uses stuxnet to destroy hard targets.

None the less RUSSIA has attacked US troops and Trump remains SILENT !!
Assad continues to murder Syrians wholesale.
Europe is swelling with refugees and destroying others in camps.


The average media consumer probably does not know half of this mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:43 PM

"Troops fighting in a country with no legal basis to justify their presence cannot realistically expect to make any rational case for their continuing presence."
The overwhelming casualties in Syria are civilians and legitimate opponents of teh Assad regime
Any war is governed by the Geneva Convention which limits the methods used - Syria, with its chemicals and outright indiscriminate slaughter has long contravened those limitations
FAKE NEWS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

A temporary CEASE FIRE IS AGREED UPON DESPITE RUSSIA EXCEPTIONS

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:07 PM

"The overwhelming casualties in Syria are civilians and legitimate opponents of teh Assad regime
Any war is governed by the Geneva Convention which limits the methods used - Syria, with its chemicals and outright indiscriminate slaughter has long contravened those limitations"

Goebbels and the white helmets must love Jim Lad. False news is alive and well. I suppose Assad and his band of merry men trashed swathes of Iraq and Libya as well?

Of course jimmie has not an iota of proof for his allegations, but why let lack of facts spoil the fairy tales?
Interesting use of the word legitimate opponents. What totally corkscrewed logic gives legitimacy to the opponents of the elected government. They are simply rebels. The fact Uncle Sam arms and trains them and is trying hard to give the Kurds independence in the north,
cannot alter the illegality of their respective actions.
The Russians and Iranians are in Syria because they were invited. The Americans are there just to what? destabilise the country? trash the infrastructure? bankrupt the government? kill civilians?

Does not seen a very humanitarian mission to me. So what is the real mission of the illegal war the US is waging?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:14 PM

So far you have no insight of the west's positive influence.

I can see both sides

You sound trained to see only one.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:20 PM

"Goebbels and the white helmets must love Jim Lad. "
More insuts - sure sign of uncrtainty
"False news is alive and well."
Dont be so fucking stupid - this is happening in view of the whole world

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:27 PM

False news is alive and well.

Yup - that's your boy tRump & co.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM

I see jimmie the ranters back on form. Got a good supply of dummies?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/30/us-coalition-airstrikes-iraqi-syrian-civilians
I bet those figures are an underestimate. An illegal war therefore the deaths are murders.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:11 PM

I come to the Syria question without an in-depth knowledge of the players, especially Syria. I am a well known partisan for Israel. Once upon a time I was staying at a Christian hostel in Amsterdam, run by an Israeli. In between reading little tracts of the gospels I was talking to the Israeli who told me I should visit Israel but time the visit not to coincide with the coming war with Syria. It was the early 80s and he was serious at the time, although the war did not occur. I returned to the States just as Israel was crossing the border with Lebanon. I 'member a British publication opining that the Israelis were people of the book as in they were in Lebanon in "eye-for-an-eye" mode.

Sometime after this a Canadian housewife started a program to evacuate Jews from Syria. They were only a few thousand in number and members of an ancient community (not unlike the Yazidis), but they were in an impossible situation, essentially wards of a Shiite dictator who sort of protected them from the prejudices of a Sunni Majority. They were not free in any sense, nor were they free to leave.

Syria was otherwise thought of as a relatively stable secular tyranny run by a competent dictator who kept the economy going, a strong military and a strong nationalist Arabist political doctrine (Baathism, related to the Iraqi party but of course not the same). When he was opposed he responded with absolute violence (Hama). His son took over for him and appeared at first to be a kinder gentler version of the old man but that has gone way by the boards.

One of my first memories of the Syrian version of the "Arab Spring" was a reporter describing coming upon a circle of Syrians who were simply going to protest the dictatorship and were expecting to be killed in the process. Nevertheless they were going to try.

Considering the overall high level of education and wealth of the Syrian people, this is an especially tragic and violent set of circumstances. I truly do not see how this accrues to anyone's benefit, nor if it does, how this is worth the candle.

The Russians probably regard this as withing their sphere of influence, but considering the resources they put into fighting the insurgency, they probably don't believe they got much bang for their bucks. The U.S. seems to have been lackluster as well, given that it has to vet the secular insurgents from the religious fanatic insurgents (is that even possible?).

So vast quantities of civilians have been subjected to a long war with dull knives rather than a conclusive short sharp shock. Seems to me that the constant cease-fires and appeals to humanity have simply extended the torture.

If I started this period as a Syrian Muslim seven years ago, I'd do my best to be a modern European Atheist about now. Of all the leaders in this obscenity of violence I respect Angela Merkel most. She is the de facto leader of the Western World thanks to the virtual abdication of the other parties who refuse to take responsibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:45 PM

"I bet those figures are an underestimate."
those figures ARE A JOKE COMPARED TO THESE
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 04:10 AM

Interesting Assad is made out to be the original bad boy in this war.
He was running a secular country where various religions had coexisted for centuries. Strange that Saudi has not been subjected to the same machinations. The contrast between the secular society of Syria and the repressive religious society of Saudi never rates a mention. Nothing to do with the oil of course? and the desperate need for Quatar to have a
pipeline to turn all that gas into cash. Of course such a pipeline would be arranged to undercut the russian equivalent,Nord Stream in order to give the Russian Bear a poke in the eye.
The proxies are getting whapped, hence a ceasefire so the allies can regroup, rearm and revitalise their murderous scum. Of course having lived and worked there in Syria for some years when it all kicked off, I know nothing. I spent all my time wandering around with my eyes and ears shut. Having worked on gaswells in Quatar, I know nothing about that either.
Some have a different hymn book
Questions?
Questions?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:16 AM

He had prisons full of opponents and was using torture and mass murder to dispose of them
FAKE NEWS 1
FAKE NEWS 2
FAKE NEWS 3
AND THE BEAT GOES ON 1
AND THE BEAT GOES ON 2

If you want more of this - how log have you got?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM

I do not collect logs. Is this your distraction ruse, instead of the usual babbling about weeds?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

"logs"
Tyops - pathetic !!
Pretty inevitable (and even more pathetic) that you ignore the facts of the Assad regime, though I'm sure that the denials are on the way
Pity you can't use your mate Guido - he has no doubt about what a monster this killer is - he uses it to attack te Labour Party
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:23 AM

No jimmy. What is pathetic is that you hoover up everything in the media about Syria, and question none of it.
You are part of the dream team for the propagandists.

As Billy Cotton would say: Wakey, Wakey!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 08:16 AM

Posted on wrong thread - never mind - it serves both equally
You appear to have retreated from your defence of this monster and are now throwing up a diversionary smokescreen to cover your retreat Iains - a bit obvious
Typos and red herrings - you really are not very good at this, are you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 09:56 AM

Germany is taking more of the refugees. If Syria is in Russia's sphere of influence how many refugees do they take and why>

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:44 PM

"Typos and red herrings - you really are not very good at this, are you?"
I knew the sour little scouser was an antique, But I did not realise he was old enough to be a court jester!

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas-pipeline-fuelling-the-worlds-bloodiest-conflict/news-story/74ef

A lot of that middle eastern oil and gas has to navigate the The Strait of Hormuz. It provides the only sea passage from the Persian Gulf to the open ocean and is one of the world's most strategically important choke points. At its narrowest point, the strait is 21 miles across and consists of 2-mile wide navigable channels for inbound and outbound shipping and a 2-mile-wide buffer zone. and guess what? Iran has the eastern bank. Should the channel ever be closed there would be some seriously unhappy people around the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:08 PM

A repetition of your childishness - with a link that doesn't work
IS THIS ANY HELP?
You really aren't very good at this, are you?
Perhaps you should have stayed in the pub!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:49 PM

Iran really has the northern bank, not the eastern, seeing as the strait runs pretty near east-west. And why are you more worried about them that the two countries which hold the southern bank?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 03:53 PM

Iran is to the east of the Persian Gulf and the middle eastern countries bottle necked by the Straits of Hormuz. If you wish to argue the minutiae of location of the straits that is a matter for you. It has always been a fear that in a period of international tension Iran would blockade the straits. There are insufficient International pipelines in the area for alternative routings to be used for export of crude and gas. As these countries are bankrolled by hydrocarbon sales, any interruption would hurt very quickly. This would impact both them and their destination markets.

Jimmy I have not been in a pub for over 2 years. Just remember I too have the ability to get personal. I seem to remember you got quite upset last time someone had a dig at you. I do not care for people insinuating I have been drinking. Just behave yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:23 PM

"A temporary CEASE FIRE IS AGREED UPON DESPITE RUSSIA EXCEPTIONS"
Not quite as precise as you make out.
Resolution 2401 has the following:

“2. Affirms that the cessation of hostilities shall not apply to military operations against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da’esh), Al Qaeda and Al Nusra Front (ANF), and all other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL, and other terrorist groups, as designated by the Security Council;

Levant also includes Syria

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 08:32 PM

Last night (Sunday 25 Feb 2018) 60 Minutes had a segment on recent events in Syria concentrating on what it clearly states is repeated use by the Syrian regime of nerve gas on civilians.

I can't help but feel that all sides are cynical in this matter, with the exception of the civilians, who are not capable of acting, just being acted upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 03:31 AM

I can clearly state that the moon is made of green cheese! So What?
What kind of idiot gasses hid supporters when he is winning?

The western press clearly supports regime change in Syria and their reporting is very selective.
Seems to me the factions that use civilians as human shields are by far the most likely to stage incidents involving gas.
“We refuse categorically any initiative that includes getting the residents out of their homes and moving them elsewhere,” Ghouta rebel factions wrote in a letter to the Security Council."

https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13219.doc.htm
There is little information coming from the area that is not carefully massaged for the target audience. Truth generally takes a backseat.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 04:02 AM

Iaians
The stories of the Assad's behavior towards his people has been emerging since for over a decade now - the illegal arrests, the torture and mass mue=rder the vicious response to the Arab Spring protests, the chemical weapons, the Homs massacres, the indiscriminate destruction of towns like Aleppo.... and now Ghouta
FROM the CONSERVATIVE DAILY TELEGRAPH
They have been carried in every press in the world and have been researched and condemned by every human rights agency   
If it hadn't have been for a Russian and Chinese veto, U.N. troops would have moved in to stop his massacring his people.
His actions have been condemned outright by all the western powers - Britain actually had to take a vote in Parliament to decide whether or not to move British troops in
Even your running mates, Guido and think he is a monster, Keith, was moved to open and re-open a thread condemning his actions (though, in fairness, he did say it was ok to supply equipment in order to suppress his people's protests and lock them up in his torture chambers!!)
Without the bullshit, the attempted talking down and the personal insults, can you explain in as simple terms as possible, so us lesser mortals can understand it why THE WHOLE WORLD IS WRONG AND ONLY YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THIS POOR MISJUDGED LEADER?
Your starter for ten
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 05:37 AM

I've a blue paintbrush. You've a red paintbrush..................

I suppose you believe the moon comes up in the morning and sets at night!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 06:56 AM

This letter to The Irish Times from three of Ireland's charities incolveed in providing relief to the victims of this bloodbath, sum the situation up perfectly and point the finger where it needs to be pointed

Sir, - The current assault on civilian areas in Eastern Ghouta, Idlib and elsewhere in Syria is yet another stark reminder that powerful countries are willing to brush aside international law, content that there will be no repercussions for doing so.
The suffering of civilians trapped in the middle of this war is unimaginable. Hospitals, schools, houses and even funerals have been targeted by air¬strikes. For people trapped in Eastern Ghouta, nowhere is safe.
The deliberate targeting of civilians, be it through airstrikes or forced starvation, is entirely illegal under international law and utterly reprehensible. Yet these actions are being carried out, either tacitly or directly, by some of the most powerful countries on earth.
As well as killing civilians in large numbers today, this complete disregard for international law and the evident paralysis of the UN Security Council clears the path for the next atrocity.
The only way to stop this cycle is to ensure there are repercussions for states, including individual politicians and officials - who carry out these crimes, who arm those who do or who provide political or diplomatic cover for them.
The growing culture of impunity threatens our international norms and systems. There is an urgent need to establish new mechanisms to document war crimes and hold the perpetrators to account. Deeply politicised, the UN Security Council has consistently failed the people of Syria.
Impunity must end. So too must the silence that surrounds these barbaric actions.
Our own Government must forcefully condemn the current attacks and use its influence to hold the perpetrators accountable.
Ireland must speak up and de¬mand the strongest possible engagement by the EU on behalf of the Syrian people.
Continued inaction in the face of the murder of civilians on a daily basis means that we are all complicit in these horrors.
-Yours, etc,
Éamonn Meehan, Executive Director, Trocaire;
Celine Fitzgerald,   General Manager, Goal;
DOMINIC Macsorley, Chief Executive, Concern Worldwide

"I suppose you believe the moon comes up in the morning and sets at night!"
Like the rest of the civilised world, it would seem!!!!
No answer then
Thought not - that's answer enough for me
You must be one of those Conservative Christians I keep hearing about, like Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 10:06 AM

Facts, awkward facts. I suppose we will have a democrat rebuttal. Unfair election, we wus robbed, bullshit, bullshit......

https://journal-neo.org/2015/12/20/bashar-al-assad-the-democratically-elected-president-of-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 11:13 AM

That's a Russian publication, by the way. So that is very likely Putin's personal digital toilet paper. Do you think he wipes till it's clear?

All by way of saying that to imply a Syrian election is in any way 'democratic' is ludicrous.

I noticed that the Russians indicated that the rebels probably used the chemical weapons against the civilians living in the same area, it's a "why are you hitting yourself?" argument familiar to the bully. This is not a new argument from the Russians.

As far as use of chemical weapons against civilians, 60 Minutes asked the question why would a ruler use such weapons, the answer was "to win".

I mentioned above that all warring sides were pretty much whittling down civilians. At one time there might have been a clear distinction between 'our' kind of rebels and the 'bad=ISIS/ Al-Qaeda" rebels. For all but the experts that distinction has been successfully muddled by the Syrians and Russians, with malice aforethought. ISIS has demonstrated that there are worse things out there than Assad. The trouble is, Assad has probably had a hand in assisting ISIS to prove just that. He is out-byzantining the Byzantines.

If you were a civilian suddenly in possession of a weapon, you could probably fire it in any direction and hit someone trying to get you killed.

If you are from Europe, you probably have similar situations in your past, possibly the Thirty Years War or the English Civil War. I don't think the United States has had a major war with this multiplicity of nasties, except if you were a Native American during the "French and Indian War".

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:06 PM

NEW EASTERN OUTLOOK

What else is a Russian Journal, the mouthpiece of onee of Assad's strongest allies going to say

You have yet to tell us why the world is wrong and only you are right
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:10 PM

THE ASSAD FILES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:37 PM

Where did all the false news come from? CNN, NBC, Fox, sky, bbc.......?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:57 PM

There's something disturbingly pathetic about someone ont their own who continually refuses to respond to long established facts
Want to share your secret - what do you know that the rest of the world doesn't
You have never been skillful on this forum - now you seem to have reached the bottom
It really doesn't matter - you provide an xcuse to offer more information and to crap in your own nest and digrace yourself even further
FIVE MILLION SYRIAN REFUGEES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:16 PM

The skill required on this forum is to have the ability to argue an opposing position without hurling insults, or ranting. You are not very skillful, are you jimmy?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:16 PM

Your favourite blogger!!
GUIDO FAWKES and SYRIA
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:54 PM

"You are not very skillful, are you jimmy?"
No rants - no insults - just indisputable facts as your silence is proving
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 02:26 PM

https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/09/24/all-feasible-precautions/civilian-casualties-anti-isis-coalition-airstrikes-syria

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/global-increase-civilian-deaths-driven-middle-east-airstrikes-54972750

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 08:57 PM

I have often had recourse in these threads to try to defend the Jewish State against calumnies. But the true and overwhelming suffering in the Middle East has certainly been Arabs and Muslims at the hands of pretty much everyone, especially their own nation states.
I knew some Arabs in school and my overall impression was that no people were so desirous of a better world for themselves, and so aware of the ironies of their situation, no people had so much hope for Democracy, and such awareness of the cracks in the process that would undermine it, in a word: The hypocrisy of those who held simple solutions to difficult problems.
Earlier today National Public Radio interviewed a young man in Ghouta, near Damascus,Syria. The gist of his comments was that he expected he could get killed at any time, and that he and the people in Ghouta had no faith in any of the actors, Syria included, rebels included, Russia included, United Nations included. I left out the U.S. because it has ceded Damascus theater of ops to the Russians and is currently enmeshed with the Turks and Kurds in Northern Syria, ANOTHER big success story.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 03:30 AM

Yet more meaningless claims while totally ignoring the decades of repression, torture and mass-murder by the Assad regime
Think we're finished here Iains, don't you?
"at the hands of pretty much everyone, especially their own nation states."
You also ignore the causes of these conflicts Robo
Basically, the problems of the Middle East stem from the West's attempts to protect their oil supply
The Israel you seek to protect has played a major part in the se problems with their policy of ethnic cleansing, which has brought about the largest single group of refugees on the planet - Palestinians who have been driben out and are refused the right to return home.
Hopefully, this will sort itself out when the President of Isriel is finally carged, tried and convicted - probably not for his human rights abuses but for his financial corruption - sort of like Al Capone
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 04:48 AM

Jim you really have no idea at all have you?
You state the underlying cause with absolute clarity and then promptly deny it.
"Basically, the problems of the Middle East stem from the West's attempts to protect their oil supply"
There you are. You got it in one!
Now if the coalition forces packed their bags and stopped their weapons supply and quit meddling the world would be a happier place.
You must be the only person on the planet that thinks Arab Spring kicked off without external "encouragement"
What are the coalition doing in Syria? They have no UN mandate, therefore their presence has no legal basis.
How many Syrians have been murdered by illegal coalition airstrikes.You play the role of useful idiot to perfection, the coalition must be proud of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:28 AM

"There you are. You got it in one!"
We have agreement there
What you don't get is that the West lets monsters like Assad run rampant because they are considered "a safe pair of hands"
The coalition has a responsibility dating back to the Empire to mop up some of the mess they left in their wake - washing their hands of it doesn't hack it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:07 AM

"What you don't get is that the West lets monsters like Assad run rampant because they are considered "a safe pair of hands"
I think if that were true there would be no war in Syria. The real reason for the war is that Assad is not regarded as a safe pair of hands. It is quite the reverse. He is a huge stumbling block to tumbling the next domino Iran.
I am sure the game plan was to build pipelines across Syria so that life could continue should Iran be attacked and subsequently block the Straits of Hormuz. This scenario is effectively scuppered by the continual presence of Assad and his allies Iran and Russia. That is why Isis and its other manifestations keep rising from the dead. The allies insist on regime change to enable attacking Iran. That is why Isis is a corpse that refuses to lie down. That is why they have the tacit? support of the coalition. That is why the reporting is so one sided, and the emphasis put on casualties caused by the Assad regime, while playing down the false flags, atrocities,,and creation of civilian shields by Isis and coalition murders by illegal airstrikes.
You need to look behind the very successful spin and find out the real story.
I would have thought the bullshit story of WMD that took us illegally into Iraq would have created a more questioning and less gullible electorate for subsequent adventures, but apparently not!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:32 AM

"The real reason for the war is that Assad is not regarded as a safe pair of hands."
The war in Syria began with Arab Spring peaceful protests being quashed vilolently (using British - sold equipment) and then escalating into civil war.
The protests in Britain of the violence of Assad's actions led to an intervention vote being taken in Parliament (defeated) and inaction on the Part of the UN (thanks to a Russian and Chinese veto.
Muslim volunteers left for Syria - Isis became involved - and here we are
All of this is documented fact Iains - please don't challenge it with denials - if it isn't produce someone more reliable than Guido Fawkes (who thinks Assad is a murderous shirt anyway) and sites owned by a Russian billionaire
As far bacck as Thatcher's affair with mass-murder Pinochet, it was been a fact that Britain is now prepared to rely on fascist support to defend Britain's interests - the Yanks have never attempted to hise that policy
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:47 AM

The Israel you seek to protect has played a major part in the se problems with their policy of ethnic cleansing, which has brought about the largest single group of refugees on the planet - Palestinians who have been driben out and are refused the right to return home.

It was no policy of Israel that created the refugees it was the war against it initiated by its neighbours that did that. Those same neighbours that dispossessed and dispelled it's Jewish citizens. Those same countries that cynically refuse to resettle the refugees that it created. Do those dispelled Jews and their descendants also have the right to return to their homes? I am the son of a refugee my wife is also the child of refugee parents. Do our children, their children and their children's children have the right of return like what you are claiming for the "Palestinians"? Why is it always only about the rights of "Palestinians" with you? Rhetorical question as the answer to that is glaringly obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:24 AM

"It was no policy of Israel that created the refugees it was the war against it initiated by its neighbours that did that."
No refugees from a war should ever be refused the right to return - that is an act of inhumanity and is against all rules of War
Gola Meir justified the act as claiming that THERE WAS NO SUCH PLACE AS PALESTINE THat was when the act of ethnic cleansing became a stated policy
"Why is it always only about the rights of "Palestinians""
Because they are the rights which are being abused at the present time-
Mine and my families activities have always been to support the rights of Jews - now I support he victims of a regime that is using the history of the Jewish People to carry out the same persecution that the Jews were subjected to
It's about time that you got your head round the fact that the hatred and denigration you have vomited out about Islam is no different that that vomited out by the Nazis - only your victims are different
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:33 AM

Jew baiters never fail to invoke the Nazis, do they.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:45 AM

Because they are the rights which are being abused at the present time-

I agree they are being abused but it is by their brethren not Israel. They are being cynically exploited by their so called leaders who siphon vast sums of money from guilt ridden countries and enrich themselves at the expense of the refugees who they refuse to resettle, knowing that doing so would be the end of their cash cow.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:58 AM

"I agree they are being abused but it is by their brethren not Israel. "
You people are putting the same arguments up as the Nazis did about the Jews - "not our fault it's their own people who are doing it"
Who's driving the Arabs out to make room fro settlers, or building the walls and checkpoints, who has massacred thousands of civilians in invasions with heavy artillery, sophisticated weapons - even chemicals - who had blockaded the country for a decade
The only crime the Palestinians have commuted is to refuse to lie down
When a German General was assassinated the Nazis deccimated the town of Lidice - that has always been counted as a horrific atrocity
That is now the official policy of the Israeli regime "a thousand of yours for every one of ours"
You are defending atrocities and human rights abuses - you ought to be ashamed of yourself, though I have no doubt that you never will be
If it's all right with you, I'll stick with the holocaust survivors and the "self -hating Jews"
You have denigrated an entire culture with your bigotry and hatred
Finished with you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:37 AM

Yep, time to leave when the Nazis come out.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:38 AM

They've been out for a long time thanks toy your defence of them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:54 AM

"Documented facts" Documented by whom? Hans Christian Andersen?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 12:58 PM

Finished with you..........lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 02:40 PM

I think it will come out that Israelis have rendered aid to Syrian civilians, but Damascus is beyond their reach, and the poisoned relations that have long existed in the area preclude making these kind of affairs too public. As an Irish friend of my mothers used to say: "The oppressed know one another."

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 03:00 PM

robo, the massive humanitarian aid rendered to Syrian casualties of the war by the Israelis is no secret. Israel has built medical clinics in Syria, and has supplied hundreds of tons of food, medicines and clothes to war-ravaged villages across the border. I have read many reports of the extreme gratitude of the Syrians who have been helped by them.

"Israel is the only country that has done something like this with the Syrians," a wounded Syrian man who had been brought to Israel for treatment said. "Israel is the friend of the Syrian people, a humanitarian country."

"They teach us that Israel is the country that hates us the most," a Syrian woman who had received treatment said. "We came and saw with our own eyes what they are giving us here. Israel is everything to us as a result of what it is giving us."

"In this difficult situation Israel stood by our side, helped us with everything that we need. We very much respect the people in Israel," another woman said.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:27 PM

bo, I did not know that and I've seen no coveratge of this in Aljazeera. Thanks for the info.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:31 PM

I've seen no coveratge of this in Aljazeera

Lol......good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:16 PM

Bobad, provide credible citations for your claims of "massive humanitarian" Israeli charity, please. Few of us accept your word for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:48 PM

I take it by credible you mean non Jewish. Maybe you think this info would be provided by Syria or Iran or perhaps by Abbas or Hamas. Here's a tip for you do a Google search on "Israel humanitarian aid to Syrians" and "Operation Good Neighbour". Do your own research.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:55 PM

Treating battlefield casualties is a bt of a stretch to regard as humanitarian aid. More a case of my enemie's enemy may as well be treated as a well dodgy friend

Israel 'giving secret aid to Syrian rebels', report says | The Independent

https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-gives-secret-aid-to-syrian-rebels-1497813430

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:29 PM

Since you've used The Times of Israel I'll take it you consider that a credible source so I will quote it. Oh and by the way Israel is treating civilian casualties with a special emphasis on children and not battlefield casualties which definitely qualifies as humanitarian aid.

From The Times of Israel note this report is from 19 July 2017 there has been a considerable increase in aid since:

Israel initially responded by providing medical treatment to Syrians wounded in the war, treating more than 3,000 people in field hospitals on the border and in public hospitals, mostly in northern Israel since 2013.

But on Wednesday the army revealed that since June 2016 it has quietly been working on Operation Good Neighbor, a massive multi-faceted humanitarian relief operation to keep starvation away from the thousands of Syrians who live along the border and provide basic medical treatment to those who cannot access it in Syria because of the war.

In the year since the operation was launched, over 600 Syrian children, accompanied by their mothers, have come to Israel for treatment. Hundreds of tons of food, medical equipment and clothing have also been sent across the border to Syria, clearly bearing Hebrew labels from Israeli companies.

The IDF is also currently facilitating the construction of two clinics within Syria, which will be run by locals and workers from NGOs. This includes logistical coordination and sending over building materials and medical equipment, according to the army.

These clinics are meant to support 80,000 Syrians living in the area near the Syrian city of Quneitra, just across the border.

Inside Israel, another clinic is also being constructed. This one, being built at an army outpost that currently carries the bland name Outpost 116, will be guarded by the IDF but staffed entirely by NGO officials. It will be operated only during the day and is therefore meant to be used to treat Syrians suffering from less severe injuries.

As part of the operation, the army has also stepped up the amount of humanitarian aid it transfers to Syria, in some cases dramatically.

According to IDF figures, the quantity of food sent to Syria has increased tenfold in the past year, from a few dozen tons between 2013 and 2016 to 360 tons in 2016 to 2017 alone.

The amount of clothes, baby formula, medical supplies, diesel fuel and generators being transferred to Syrians have also significantly increased in that time.

While the officers involved in the operation stressed Wednesday that there is no mass starvation on the border, they said there are food shortages, which drives up the price of bread and other essentials.

Israel, therefore, sends over hundreds of tons of flour, oil, sugar, salt, canned beans and dry goods. It has also sent 12,000 cases of baby formula and 1,800 packages of diapers.

Israel has also seen fit to send over eight cars and six mules, the military said.

According to the IDF, most of this humanitarian aid was donated by NGOs, but some was also provided by the Israeli government directly.

A senior officer in the Northern Brigade, who asked to remain nameless, would not provide a specific figure on how much this operation has cost the military, but said it was 'huge.'

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:54 PM

I will defend aljazeera to a certain extent. I will argue that they are biased, but their bias is open. And they provide counter opinions such as this one.

The link goes to an opinion wherein the Arab commentator looks at opinions where some portion of the Palestinian community and their external acolytes support Assad in a mistaken concept of 'solidarity'.

I bring this forth as an example of Aljazeera attempting to show variations in the Arab-Islamic world. So far, I feel that they are trying to be real journalists with a distince point of view to offer, 'that they engage reality.

Whereas that 'journal-neo' link a few messages back is a Russian false news outlet. There is no engagement with reality, not even to frankly lie about it. It is a BS agenda based on the world view of one V.Putin. Utterly shameless. It exists solely in a manipulative capacity. If you read an article from there, you will actually know LESS after you're done than before you started!

Aljazeera by contrast has different sources, different reporters, different commentators. Some of their sources are from within Israel. They are biased, but in a consistent way that is more doctrinaire than manipulative. If you read an article from there, you will have a distinct knowledge of a genuine world view, whether or not you agree with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:51 AM

You're making the claims, Bobad, you prove them. That's not our job. Or to put it another way, with you we apply Hitchen's Razor - that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 09:04 AM

So dismiss it, I could care less and expect it from you.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 09:42 AM

A video from an Israeli (horrors) news channel showing one of the Israeli medical facilities treating Syrian civilians on Syria's border. Note that the video is from July of 2017 and that much has been accomplished since then. Two more medical centers and a field clinic have been established in the region. In 2017 2,124 containers of medicine and 400 medical devices, which helped 685 Syrian children have been dispatched as part of Operation Good Neighbour. In addition to medical assistance, in 2017 Operation Good Neighbour provided additional humanitarian aid including 694 tons of food, 14,138 boxes of baby formula, 6,351 diapers,174 tons of clothing, and 12,329 hygienic products. Due to damaged infrastructure electricity has been irregular and people have to rely on generators for their needs. To that end Israel has provided 13 electric generators along with 143,392 gallons of fuel to assist with cooking and heating homes.

Mysterious New Facility on Israel's Border With Syria

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:39 PM

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/26/growing-risk-of-u-s-iran-hostilities-based-on-false-pretexts-intel-vets-warn/

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 02:32 PM

This puts a radically different slant on events. It certainly fits with the narrative of Iraq, Libya,.................

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961205000734

I will be surprised to see any mention of the matter in the MSM

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:00 PM

IAIN'S LINK - FARS NEWSAGENCY
"The Fars News Agency is a news agency in Iran. While it describes itself as "Iran's leading independent news agency",[1] it is widely described by news media to be a "semi-official" news agency of the Government of Iran.[2][3][4]
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:20 PM

Clever boy jimmie. I did not know you could read, after looking at your attempts at spelling. would you like a lollipop, or perhaps a gold star, to stick on your keyboard?

and your point is??????????????????

would you like me to perform a little song and dance routine every time you quote the BBC, or simply make things up?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:30 PM

"would you like a lollipop, or perhaps a gold star, to stick on your keyboard?"
The pathetic use of typos again - always a sign that there is nothing else forthcoming
You know very well what my point is, that's why you start throwing insults instead of responding with a reply
You are nothing if not transparent - and that's about it really
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 09:28 PM

This morning I listened to an NPR story linking North Korea to the Syrian Assad government as a supplier of weapons including nerve agents.

North Korea Syria chemical weapons link

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 01:26 AM

and I just read this story.
I know which one I find the most plausible.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 03:18 AM

I asked you some time ago why the entire world (apart from Russia and China) were wrong about the Assad remime and its bloody history, reaching far back beyond the Arab Spring, the Civil War and the inevitable Isis - reply came there none (apatrt from schoolyard level insults)
Now more Russian based opinions (not even a Guido Fawkes to back you up)
More than a little repetitive
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 04:44 AM

Hardly my fault that you are politically naive and believe everything the western media feeds you.
Can you give me any legal basis for coalition forces being in Syria?
Can you tell me why they are destroying infrastructure?

Having seen the fine job they have done bringing peace and tranquility to Libya and Iraq, I assume their criminal activities in Syria will bring more of the same.

From april 2017

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/04/12/pers-a12.html

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 05:06 AM

"Hardly my fault that you are politically naive and believe everything the western media feeds you."
it rich from someone who relies on Russian oligarchs and Guido Fawkes for their information
Not the media Iains - politicians, Human rights organisations medical rescue teams -the world
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 08:44 AM

Ians cites Global Research.......lol

Globalresearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.

Headline: "North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy"
                —Everything you need to know about Globalresearch

Rational Wiki

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 11:07 AM

I see no one is prepared to argue the legality of the coalition's actions in Syria.

Everything you need to know about US media bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 11:44 AM

If a country is abusing human rights to the extent that Syria consistently has, hiding by two vetoes, China's and Russia's, makes those morally responsible for putting a stop to him
Monsters like Assad are direct products of the self-interested "he may be a monster, but he's our monster" attitude adopted by the West
Britain was in the posion to take sanctions during the Homs massacres, deserters from Assad's own regime were recommending that, at the very least, they should use the respect in which he held the UK to stop him
Others suggested that his London property should be confiscated
Nothing was done and his bro. in law continued to carry out his London business throughout the butchery
You've crouched behind the law before Iains, when you opposed the idea that survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire (many still unhoused or uncompensated) should not be allowed to use vacant property
There's a name for puting the establishment above the interests of the people - it's called fascism
The German National Socialists were a legal administration when they we planning tehir 'Final Solution'
By your logic, that 'Solution' was perfectly legal
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 02:42 PM

globalresarch.ca does not seem to be an obvious Russian 'plant', nevertheless it is far from a journalistic reference source. It is obviously opinionated but the stories are not backed with what journalists used to call "sources" in a position to actually 'know' sometrhing.

It is the current fake-news with an imprimature of a web-based organization to furnish eye-candy plausibility.

There are actually some more reasonable sources you COULD find that take the Russian POV, but you have not found one, and it's not my job to lead you there.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 03:30 PM

We can slag off sources for ever. What you cannot deny is that the US has been at war far more continuously than any other country since it's formation. It is documented fact that it has toppled more governments than any other post WW2 and has been responsible for the deaths of many thousands of civilians fighting illegal wars. The US takes as much notice of UN resolutions as Israel. Israel ignores then, The US vetoes/ignores them

Perhaps this fairly old article from the washington post is also false news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-we-ignore-the-civilians-killed-in-american-wars/2011/12/05/gIQALCO4eP_story.html?
To this must be added almost 1/2 million in Syria

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 04:37 PM

Here's some more on Global Research from Wikipedia:

The Centre for Research on Globalization promotes a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods.[7][19][8][20][21][22][23] It has reported that the September 11 attacks were a false flag attack planned by the CIA,[2] that the United States and its allies fund al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, and that Sarin Gas was not used in the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, which globalresearch.ca articles characterized as a false flag operation orchestrated by terrorists opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.[6][19] Other articles published on the site have asserted that the 7 July 2005 London bombings were perpetrated by the United States, Israel, and United Kingdom.[11] Chossudovsky has himself posted articles on the site which suggested that Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset, and accusing the United States, Israel and Britain of plotting to conquer the world.[11] The Centre has also promoted the Irish slavery myth, prompting a letter by more than 80 scholars debunking the myth.[23]

According to PolitiFact, the Centre "has advanced specious conspiracy theories on topics like 9/11, vaccines and global warming."[8] Foreign Policy notes that the Centre "sells books and videos that 'expose' how the September 11 terrorist attacks were 'most likely a special covert action' to 'further the goals of corporate globalization.'"[20] A 2010 study categorized the website as a source of anti-vaccine misinformation.[21] The Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab described it as "pro-Putin and anti-NATO".[24] The Jewish Tribune described the Centre as being "rife with anti-Jewish conspiracy theory and Holocaust denial."[25] Writing for the New Republic, Muhammad Idrees Ahmad, Lecturer in Digital Journalism at the University of Stirling, describes the Centre's website as a "conspiracy site".[22]

In November 2017, The Globe and Mail reported that the Centre's website was "in the sights" of NATO information warfare specialists investigating "the online spread of pro-Russia propaganda and of disinformation." According to the Globe, NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (StratCom) believed that the site was playing a "key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin" and the Syrian regime of Bashar Al-Assad. The report described the site as an "online refuge for conspiracy theorists" and suggested that NATO specialists viewed it as "a link in a concerted effort to undermine the credibility of mainstream Western media—as well as the North American and European public's trust in government and public institutions."[6] Asked to comment on the report, Chossudovsky responded through his lawyer, saying that the Centre did not have ties to pro-Russia or pro-Assad networks, was not "affiliated with governmental organizations" and did not benefit from their support.[6]

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 09:17 PM

Iaians:

Crimea River!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 03:44 AM

"What you cannot deny is that the US has been at war far more continuously than any other country since it's formation"
Yest it has, but these have been wars purely of self-interest and they have usually included backing "our monsters" like Assad, Papa Doc and Pinochet (in this case, clandestinely - see the story of the missing American youth that gave rise to the film 'Missing')
It is a more than a little ludicrous to put up America's past history as a defence of the Assad regime.
Assad's behaviour opened the door to Isis - they moved in to fill the gap that the West left by their inaction - now the world has a religious-based war problem.
Both the Assad regime and Isis will survive, whatever happens in this war - two for the price of one - nice legacy for our kids!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Tunesmith
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 04:58 AM

Well, it seems to me that the USA - and the UK - have a lot to answer for in the Syrian disaster.
For example, when the USA - and UK - decided to help "the rebel" side, I could see three possible outcomes.
1) The rebels - in a shortish time - would overthrow the Syrian Government.
2) The Syrian Government forces - in shortish time - defeat the rebel forces.
0r...and this is what I thought would happen.
3) There would be a long protracted conflict resulting in a huge loss of life and a devastating - for Syrian and Europe - humanitarian situation.

Now, if I could see this happening, why couldn't the great brains in Washington?

But, then again, maybe they could, and their aim was to cause chaos in the Middle-East AND Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 05:02 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda


and I still wait for the legal justification for:
http://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2018-02/us-led-coalition-in-syria-strikes-pro-assad-forces.html

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 06:24 AM

What's the poit you are making Iains?
We know how indiscriminate the U.S. has always been in its raids - they have even invented a terminology to describe it "friendly fire" and "collateral damage"
This in no way absolves the war crimes still being committed by Assad
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 05:43 AM

Larest atrocity to ignor Iains
Relief columns given access to Ghouta, where 700 civilians have died, have been refused permission to bring in medical supplies
Fake news - no doubt!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/aid-reaches-ghouta-but-retreats-after-shelling-syria-presses-assault-idUSKBN1GH1HN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 05:55 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ghouta-siege-syria-death-toll-civilians-armed-attack-rebel-aleppo-latest-a8221086.html

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 06:31 AM

It doesn't mention that the Syrian authorities are preventing aid reaching the thousand or so civilian wounded - neither do you
The Independent didn't know that humanity would sink so low when the article you put up was published last month - you do
Says all that needs to be said Iains
What is it with you people?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 07:19 AM

Your problem is that you believe implicitly everything the mainstream media tells you. You seem unable or unwilling to question anything fed to you.
You are one of the idiots that believe arab spring was a protest movement that just happened to occur without any western encouragement or funding.
You believe every Syrian hates Assad and his regime. This does not equate with the election results.
You believe the allies are there for peacekeeping. They have no mandate, alltheir actions are illegal and they are merely prolonging the war and trying to partition the country in the NE.
There really is no further point in discussing events with someone with such a closed mind as yourself.
You position yourself as an expert and clearly demonstrate that you know nothing. You have never been there and know only what you are told.
As I have said before you are a propagandist's dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 07:53 AM

Syrian Doctors Turn to Israel for Urgently Needed Help with Maternity Health Care.

In December 2017, the website Israel21c published an article by Abigail Klein Leichman on the assistance the IDF gave to open a brand new Syrian maternity hospital over the border inside Syria itself. Staffed by Syrian medical staff using equipment donated entirely by Israeli citizens, the hospital has treated over 200 pregnant women, and witnessed 30 births.

According to the article, "the hospital reportedly was opened in November in response to an urgent request from Syrian doctors who saw that many women could not get to the existing maternity hospital due to the difficult conditions."

It says alot about the current state of the Middle East, that when Syrian doctors were desperate for assistance in providing medical care for pregnant Syrian women, they could not turn to the Iranian-backed despotic regime in Damascus, nor the Arab League, nor the increasingly ineffectual United Nations to provide something as non-controversial and straightforward as maternity medical care.

But such is the state of dysfunction of the Arab world, that it was Israel, a country that had every excuse and reason under the sun to stay above and out of the conflict, who stepped up and provided life-saving assistance to pregnant Syrian mothers and their newborns. Not Iran, nor the Russians, nor the Lebanese or Jordanians, and especially not the Assad dictatorship. Yet again, one is left utterly speechless and at a loss for words at the unprecedented and astonishing humanitarian actions of Israel and its citizens and army. Syrian babies will now be born into the world in a safe and healthy environment thanks to the efforts and donations of a country their parents were taught to regard as the ultimate evil in the region.

And while Israel's detractors cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge Israel's humanitarian efforts to Syrian victims of the conflict, not even they will be able to spin Israeli aid to maternity health care as "supporting ISIS and Al-Qaeda". Of course, to the despotic regime in Damascus and their disgraceful backers, even Syrian babies in opposition areas are "ISIS and Al-Qaeda". Fortunately, Syrians have a far more humane neighbor in Israel. It cannot be said enough times, if only more of Syria's neighbors were as humane as the Israelis, there would have been a lot less Syrian refugees in this world.

https://www.israel21c.org/idf-equips-maternity-hospital-over-the-syrian-border/?utm_content=buffer09e47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 08:20 AM

"Syrian Doctors Turn to Israel for Urgently Needed Help with Maternity Health Care."
As Israel has been a major culprit in the Middle East conflict, this is litle more than window dressing Bobad
They were happily boasting how thy were helping the Palestinian people medically while at the same time as they were ethnically cleansing them
This would be around the time they were evicting the Bedouins onto toxic rubbish dumps - they probably claimed to be helping them medically too
Give it a rest with your propaganda - you'd be better employed maing excuses for when Netunyahu gets sent down for the corruption he has obviously been involved in
"Your problem is that you believe implicitly everything the mainstream media tells you."So it's all lies that the Syrians are blocking medical assistance to their victims - or is that still a no-go area with you
You are as bad at this as you ever were, aren't you
Perhaps there's a local debating night-school - worth a try!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 08:40 AM

I think the issues deserve more than a halfwit such as yourself debating at a night school. You obviously regard it as merely a game to be played on an internet forum. You really are a pathetic little man are you not?
You demonstrate that you cannot separate fact   from fantasy.
Now where did the story about syrians blocking aid come from? You have proof of the allegations? Let us all see it.
I await your proof with interest.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 09:39 AM

Syrians express gratitude for Israeli field hospitals

Victims of the Syrian civil war treated by Israel on the Golan Heights pen appreciation for IDF's medical care, saying it has strengthened their yearning for peace, undermined indoctrination of Israel as an enemy; 'To all Syrians who say Israel is the enemy, I say that you are liars. Israel is our friend.'

One 27-year-old Syrian woman, identifiable as ‘G.’ made her way to the Israeli side of the border on the Golan Heights seeking medical care for her son who had been wounded in the fighting.

After the IDF treated her son, G. wrote a letter of appreciation to Israel lamenting the “tragic situation in Syria” and expressing her yearning for peace and the prevention of further bloodshed.

Syria was the most beautiful country of all Arab countries. We thought that Israel was our enemy, but we realized that it’s good to us. I want to thank the hospitals in Israel and the Israeli army for all its help to the … Syrian children

Also bemoaning the conflict in Syria which has wrenched the country asunder, was ‘M.,’ a 30-year-old married man with children.

Beginning his missive by describing the “horrendous situation” in Syria, M. explained how Israel seemed to be the only place in which medical care could be offered to the civilians caught in the crossfire of the fighting.

After seven years of revolution in which we have lost lives and blood, there was no where for the wounded Syrians to go and receive treatment,I am grateful to the State of Israel for the help it provided to all the wounded people of Syria.
After years of thinking that Israel was the enemy that needs to be gotten rid of, (after thinking) that we need to return the Syrian territories (Golan Heights) I am grateful to you for your treatment and especially to the Israeli army for its humanitarianism

For ‘S.’, 26, who had to have his right hand amputated, Israel’s efforts had convinced him that peace had to be made between the two countries.

We, the nation of Syria, want peace with the State of Israel because it provided us with many services during this troubled period. To all Syrians who say Israel is the enemy, I say that you are liars. Peace to Syria and to Israel,” he wrote. Echoing such sentiments, ‘D.’ described Israel as “our friend

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:26 AM

"Syrians express gratitude for Israeli field hospitals"
I'm sure they do - doesn't make the slightest difference to what I have said
"You demonstrate that you cannot separate fact   from fantasy."
From the Reuter report yesterday
A World Health Organization official said the government had ordered 70 percent of medical supplies to be stripped out of the convoy, preventing trauma kits, surgical kits, insulin and other vital material from reaching the area. The ICRC confirmed some medical equipment had been blocked but gave no details.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/aid-reaches-ghouta-but-retreats-after-shelling-syria-presses-assault-idUSKBN1GH1HN?il=0
And you demonstrate that yo totally lack the balls to even address them
I have little doubt that David Irving could have learned much from you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 10:27 AM

" treated by Israel on the Golan Heights" Carefully omitting to mention the Golan Heights are Syrian territory illegally occupied by Israel since 1967, in defiance of repeated UN resolutions

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:01 AM

Report if full from this morning's Irish Times
Jim Carroll

SYRIA REMOVES MEDICAL SUPPLIES FROM AID CONVOY BOUND FOR EARTERN GHOUTA
Lack of medical supplies means wounded die from treatable injuries
Doctors say 712 people have died since the start of offensive last month
KAREEMSHAHEEN and PETER BEAUMONT
An aid convoy has entered the besieged, rebel-held Syrian enclave in eastern Ghouta, two weeks into a renewed regime offensive that has killed more than 700 civilians.
Despite being allowed to deliver food for about 27,000 of the 400,000 people trapped in the enclave, humanitarian officials said the Syrian military had refused to allow the loading of critically needed medical aid.
A desperate shortage of supplies meant that the wounded have been dying from treatable injuries and illnesses, aid organisations said.
The convoy of 46 trucks, sent by the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent and the United Nations, started to cross a final Syrian army checkpoint at al-Wafideen yesterday morning. “Feels like racing with time,” tweeted Pawel Krzysiek, the head of communications for the ICRC in Syria.
The aid delivery - the first in weeks - will offer a brief respite for some of the residents of the enclave near the capital, Damascus, who have endured two weeks of intense violence despite a UN Security Council resolution last week demanding a ceasefire and the delivery of aid. The carnage has continued despite a daily five-hour truce ordered by Russian president Vladimir Putin.
French president Emmanuel Macron urged Mr Putin in a telephone call yesterday to ensure Syria accepted “without any ambiguity” the UN-agreed ceasefire. In a statement, the Elysee Palace said the five-hour daily pause decided on by Russia was inadequate, and that humanitarian convoys “must be able to reach all populations in need unhindered and without further delay”.

AIR STRIKES
A World Health Organisation official said: “During the obligatory routine inspection conducted by Syrian national authorities, many supplies in the WHO . shipment were rejected, including all trauma, surgical, dialysis sessions and insulin.
“WHO has long spoken out against the removal or rejection of life-saving treatments and medical items from aid convoys by national authorities. The health supplies provided by WHO in these convoys are selected after extensive consultations with health partners working in these areas and are desperately needed to save lives and reduce suffering.”
Doctors on the ground said 712 people had been killed and more than 5,600 wounded since February 19th. A further 44 people were killed yesterday, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
Air strikes and artillery bombardment have been coupled with a ground offensive by the regime of Bashar al-Assad and his allied Shia militias, whose advances are aimed at splitting eastern Ghouta in half and cutting off rebel fighters.
Thousands of civilians have fled from the advancing government troops deeper into Ghouta. “People are scared of massacres and so they are fleeing inwards,” said one doctor in Ghouta. – Guardian
Turkey’s six-week old invasion of the Syrian Kurdish enclave of Afrin has put it on a collision course with both Russia and the United States. Ankara has stepped up air strikes on Afrin to provide cover for ground operations, killing 58 Syrian government fighters deployed to reinforce Kurdish units there.
Although Russia could come under pressure from its ally, Syria, to prevent Turkish air raids and halt the advance into Afrin of Turkish troops and militia, it has not, so far, acted. The Kremlin fears that clashes with Turkey could result in it withdrawing co-operation from Russia’s and Iran’s efforts to impose ceasefires across Syria and halt the seven-year war.
The Pentagon has warned that the Afrin offensive has disrupted the fight against Islamic State remnants in Syria’s eastern Deir al-Zor province. Some 20,000 Kurdish fighters from the US-sponsored Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have travelled west from SDF-held territory to reinforce Afrin’s defenders.
The withdrawal of the Kurds, the SDF’s backbone, has left Arab recruits to guard this large area, comprising 25 per cent of Syria, and repel attacks by Islamic State holdouts. US and SDF forces have suspended offensive operations against the jihadis and are relying on US air strikes to contain them. US commanders fear they could escape into Jordan or Turkey and infiltrate Europe.

KURD ‘TERRORISTS’
US-Kurdish clashes with Turkey could erupt if, after securing Afrin, Turkey attacks Manbij, a town captured by the SDF and US special forces in 2016. Manbij is the next stated objective in Turkey’s drive to wrest from Syrian Kurds a wide “security zone” along the Syrian side of the border. Ankara brands the Kurds “terrorists” as they are tied to Turkey’s insurgent Kurds.
During a recent visit to Ankara, US secretary of state Rex Tillerson appeared to suggest an SDF withdrawal from Manbij, on the eastern side of the Euphrates river, when he indicated the US could fulfil its earlier pledge to secure SDF withdrawal to the river’s western bank. This could, however, embolden Turkey to carry on with its offensive against Syria’s Kurds in order to cut their land links with Turkey’s restive Kurds.
Turkey is also challenging Russia and Syria in the northwestern province of Idlib, designated a “deconfliction” or ceasefire zone, by using Turkey’s presence as monitor to take control.
Turkey has forged an alliance, dubbed the Syrian Liberation Front, between non-al-Qaeda fundamentalist factions with the aim of eliminating dominant al-Qaeda affiliate Levant Liberation. The objective of Turkey is to use Idlib as leverage on Syria and its ally. Russia, to secure concessions in future negotiations. Neither Syria nor Russia can afford to permit Turkey to attain this goal. Consequently, the Syrian army, backed by Russian air power, has begun operations in Idlib. Once the army has retaken eastern Ghouta, the bulk of its forces are likely to shift to the Idlib front, where they could clash with the Turkish army.
Neither Russia nor the US wants to tackle Turkey over its risky military moves as Ankara remains a leading actor in the Syrian and regional theatres.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:08 AM

He says,she says, they say.

Where is the proof to back these assertions?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:34 AM

"Where is the proof to back these assertions?"
Where is your evidence they are not true - these are on the spot reports - you a are an anonymous blogger - no more
Assad is a serial Human rights monster - he doesn't even have Guido Fawkes to back him up
You are a squalid Holocaust denier Iains
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 11:43 AM

"You are a squalid Holocaust denier Iains"
Oh dear, is that the best insult and lie that pathetic little jimmie can come up with.

You are a festering rash jimmie, as soon as the subject matter deviates from your comfort zone you go down the usual path of an unfocused rant.
You really are a serial gobshite scouser are you not?

If you have nothing intelligent to say do us all a favour and just shut up. You are a boring little man and impress no one. you are a waste of a skin.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 12:44 PM

Insults - always a good sign you've run out of excuses
Feel free - "Every Little Helps"
NOT THE FIRST TIME

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:10 PM

Iaians, As far as I know, the Golan Heights was annexed by Israel, all nice and legal.
There had been a war, not started by Israel, and before the war constant use of the Golan Heights by Syria to fire down on Israeli agricultural lands and workers. I can't think of a better justification for that land being Israeli property in perpetuity and that includes Israel's current use of the territory to both defend its people and render aide to the oppressed people of Syria.

It is the height of hypocrisy to discuss what is or is not legal for instance Damascus has 'legal' rights to kill any amounts by any means to reoccupy land that may once have been ruled dictatorially, i.e. by threat of nonjudicial violence, for years? WTF is leagal about that?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 01:52 PM

" As far as I know, the Golan Heights was annexed by Israel, all nice and legal."
I would suggest you do not know very much then.
Annexation is the administrative action and concept in international law relating to the forcible transition of one state's territory by another state. It is generally held to be an illegal act.

(27 Apr 2016)"The UN Security Council has rejected Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's claim that the annexed Golan Heights in Syria would "for ever" remain under Israeli control.The 15-member council agreed on Tuesday that the status of the Golan, which Israel seized from Syria in 1967, "remains unchanged", Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi, who holds this month's council presidency said. Liu recalled a 1981 resolution which states that Israel's "decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights was nul and void and without any international legal effect."

Little jimmie, you are a nothing but a propagandists's dummy