BS: Syrian Conflict

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 12:58 PM

Finished with you..........lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:54 AM

"Documented facts" Documented by whom? Hans Christian Andersen?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:38 AM

They've been out for a long time thanks toy your defence of them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:37 AM

Yep, time to leave when the Nazis come out.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:58 AM

"I agree they are being abused but it is by their brethren not Israel. "
You people are putting the same arguments up as the Nazis did about the Jews - "not our fault it's their own people who are doing it"
Who's driving the Arabs out to make room fro settlers, or building the walls and checkpoints, who has massacred thousands of civilians in invasions with heavy artillery, sophisticated weapons - even chemicals - who had blockaded the country for a decade
The only crime the Palestinians have commuted is to refuse to lie down
When a German General was assassinated the Nazis deccimated the town of Lidice - that has always been counted as a horrific atrocity
That is now the official policy of the Israeli regime "a thousand of yours for every one of ours"
You are defending atrocities and human rights abuses - you ought to be ashamed of yourself, though I have no doubt that you never will be
If it's all right with you, I'll stick with the holocaust survivors and the "self -hating Jews"
You have denigrated an entire culture with your bigotry and hatred
Finished with you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:45 AM

Because they are the rights which are being abused at the present time-

I agree they are being abused but it is by their brethren not Israel. They are being cynically exploited by their so called leaders who siphon vast sums of money from guilt ridden countries and enrich themselves at the expense of the refugees who they refuse to resettle, knowing that doing so would be the end of their cash cow.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:33 AM

Jew baiters never fail to invoke the Nazis, do they.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:24 AM

"It was no policy of Israel that created the refugees it was the war against it initiated by its neighbours that did that."
No refugees from a war should ever be refused the right to return - that is an act of inhumanity and is against all rules of War
Gola Meir justified the act as claiming that THERE WAS NO SUCH PLACE AS PALESTINE THat was when the act of ethnic cleansing became a stated policy
"Why is it always only about the rights of "Palestinians""
Because they are the rights which are being abused at the present time-
Mine and my families activities have always been to support the rights of Jews - now I support he victims of a regime that is using the history of the Jewish People to carry out the same persecution that the Jews were subjected to
It's about time that you got your head round the fact that the hatred and denigration you have vomited out about Islam is no different that that vomited out by the Nazis - only your victims are different
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: bobad
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:47 AM

The Israel you seek to protect has played a major part in the se problems with their policy of ethnic cleansing, which has brought about the largest single group of refugees on the planet - Palestinians who have been driben out and are refused the right to return home.

It was no policy of Israel that created the refugees it was the war against it initiated by its neighbours that did that. Those same neighbours that dispossessed and dispelled it's Jewish citizens. Those same countries that cynically refuse to resettle the refugees that it created. Do those dispelled Jews and their descendants also have the right to return to their homes? I am the son of a refugee my wife is also the child of refugee parents. Do our children, their children and their children's children have the right of return like what you are claiming for the "Palestinians"? Why is it always only about the rights of "Palestinians" with you? Rhetorical question as the answer to that is glaringly obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:32 AM

"The real reason for the war is that Assad is not regarded as a safe pair of hands."
The war in Syria began with Arab Spring peaceful protests being quashed vilolently (using British - sold equipment) and then escalating into civil war.
The protests in Britain of the violence of Assad's actions led to an intervention vote being taken in Parliament (defeated) and inaction on the Part of the UN (thanks to a Russian and Chinese veto.
Muslim volunteers left for Syria - Isis became involved - and here we are
All of this is documented fact Iains - please don't challenge it with denials - if it isn't produce someone more reliable than Guido Fawkes (who thinks Assad is a murderous shirt anyway) and sites owned by a Russian billionaire
As far bacck as Thatcher's affair with mass-murder Pinochet, it was been a fact that Britain is now prepared to rely on fascist support to defend Britain's interests - the Yanks have never attempted to hise that policy
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:07 AM

"What you don't get is that the West lets monsters like Assad run rampant because they are considered "a safe pair of hands"
I think if that were true there would be no war in Syria. The real reason for the war is that Assad is not regarded as a safe pair of hands. It is quite the reverse. He is a huge stumbling block to tumbling the next domino Iran.
I am sure the game plan was to build pipelines across Syria so that life could continue should Iran be attacked and subsequently block the Straits of Hormuz. This scenario is effectively scuppered by the continual presence of Assad and his allies Iran and Russia. That is why Isis and its other manifestations keep rising from the dead. The allies insist on regime change to enable attacking Iran. That is why Isis is a corpse that refuses to lie down. That is why they have the tacit? support of the coalition. That is why the reporting is so one sided, and the emphasis put on casualties caused by the Assad regime, while playing down the false flags, atrocities,,and creation of civilian shields by Isis and coalition murders by illegal airstrikes.
You need to look behind the very successful spin and find out the real story.
I would have thought the bullshit story of WMD that took us illegally into Iraq would have created a more questioning and less gullible electorate for subsequent adventures, but apparently not!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:28 AM

"There you are. You got it in one!"
We have agreement there
What you don't get is that the West lets monsters like Assad run rampant because they are considered "a safe pair of hands"
The coalition has a responsibility dating back to the Empire to mop up some of the mess they left in their wake - washing their hands of it doesn't hack it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 04:48 AM

Jim you really have no idea at all have you?
You state the underlying cause with absolute clarity and then promptly deny it.
"Basically, the problems of the Middle East stem from the West's attempts to protect their oil supply"
There you are. You got it in one!
Now if the coalition forces packed their bags and stopped their weapons supply and quit meddling the world would be a happier place.
You must be the only person on the planet that thinks Arab Spring kicked off without external "encouragement"
What are the coalition doing in Syria? They have no UN mandate, therefore their presence has no legal basis.
How many Syrians have been murdered by illegal coalition airstrikes.You play the role of useful idiot to perfection, the coalition must be proud of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 03:30 AM

Yet more meaningless claims while totally ignoring the decades of repression, torture and mass-murder by the Assad regime
Think we're finished here Iains, don't you?
"at the hands of pretty much everyone, especially their own nation states."
You also ignore the causes of these conflicts Robo
Basically, the problems of the Middle East stem from the West's attempts to protect their oil supply
The Israel you seek to protect has played a major part in the se problems with their policy of ethnic cleansing, which has brought about the largest single group of refugees on the planet - Palestinians who have been driben out and are refused the right to return home.
Hopefully, this will sort itself out when the President of Isriel is finally carged, tried and convicted - probably not for his human rights abuses but for his financial corruption - sort of like Al Capone
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 08:57 PM

I have often had recourse in these threads to try to defend the Jewish State against calumnies. But the true and overwhelming suffering in the Middle East has certainly been Arabs and Muslims at the hands of pretty much everyone, especially their own nation states.
I knew some Arabs in school and my overall impression was that no people were so desirous of a better world for themselves, and so aware of the ironies of their situation, no people had so much hope for Democracy, and such awareness of the cracks in the process that would undermine it, in a word: The hypocrisy of those who held simple solutions to difficult problems.
Earlier today National Public Radio interviewed a young man in Ghouta, near Damascus,Syria. The gist of his comments was that he expected he could get killed at any time, and that he and the people in Ghouta had no faith in any of the actors, Syria included, rebels included, Russia included, United Nations included. I left out the U.S. because it has ceded Damascus theater of ops to the Russians and is currently enmeshed with the Turks and Kurds in Northern Syria, ANOTHER big success story.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 02:26 PM

https://www.hrw.org/report/2017/09/24/all-feasible-precautions/civilian-casualties-anti-isis-coalition-airstrikes-syria

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/global-increase-civilian-deaths-driven-middle-east-airstrikes-54972750

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:54 PM

"You are not very skillful, are you jimmy?"
No rants - no insults - just indisputable facts as your silence is proving
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:16 PM

Your favourite blogger!!
GUIDO FAWKES and SYRIA
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 01:16 PM

The skill required on this forum is to have the ability to argue an opposing position without hurling insults, or ranting. You are not very skillful, are you jimmy?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:57 PM

There's something disturbingly pathetic about someone ont their own who continually refuses to respond to long established facts
Want to share your secret - what do you know that the rest of the world doesn't
You have never been skillful on this forum - now you seem to have reached the bottom
It really doesn't matter - you provide an xcuse to offer more information and to crap in your own nest and digrace yourself even further
FIVE MILLION SYRIAN REFUGEES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:37 PM

Where did all the false news come from? CNN, NBC, Fox, sky, bbc.......?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:10 PM

THE ASSAD FILES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 12:06 PM

NEW EASTERN OUTLOOK

What else is a Russian Journal, the mouthpiece of onee of Assad's strongest allies going to say

You have yet to tell us why the world is wrong and only you are right
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 11:13 AM

That's a Russian publication, by the way. So that is very likely Putin's personal digital toilet paper. Do you think he wipes till it's clear?

All by way of saying that to imply a Syrian election is in any way 'democratic' is ludicrous.

I noticed that the Russians indicated that the rebels probably used the chemical weapons against the civilians living in the same area, it's a "why are you hitting yourself?" argument familiar to the bully. This is not a new argument from the Russians.

As far as use of chemical weapons against civilians, 60 Minutes asked the question why would a ruler use such weapons, the answer was "to win".

I mentioned above that all warring sides were pretty much whittling down civilians. At one time there might have been a clear distinction between 'our' kind of rebels and the 'bad=ISIS/ Al-Qaeda" rebels. For all but the experts that distinction has been successfully muddled by the Syrians and Russians, with malice aforethought. ISIS has demonstrated that there are worse things out there than Assad. The trouble is, Assad has probably had a hand in assisting ISIS to prove just that. He is out-byzantining the Byzantines.

If you were a civilian suddenly in possession of a weapon, you could probably fire it in any direction and hit someone trying to get you killed.

If you are from Europe, you probably have similar situations in your past, possibly the Thirty Years War or the English Civil War. I don't think the United States has had a major war with this multiplicity of nasties, except if you were a Native American during the "French and Indian War".

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 10:06 AM

Facts, awkward facts. I suppose we will have a democrat rebuttal. Unfair election, we wus robbed, bullshit, bullshit......

https://journal-neo.org/2015/12/20/bashar-al-assad-the-democratically-elected-president-of-syria/

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 06:56 AM

This letter to The Irish Times from three of Ireland's charities incolveed in providing relief to the victims of this bloodbath, sum the situation up perfectly and point the finger where it needs to be pointed

Sir, - The current assault on civilian areas in Eastern Ghouta, Idlib and elsewhere in Syria is yet another stark reminder that powerful countries are willing to brush aside international law, content that there will be no repercussions for doing so.
The suffering of civilians trapped in the middle of this war is unimaginable. Hospitals, schools, houses and even funerals have been targeted by air¬strikes. For people trapped in Eastern Ghouta, nowhere is safe.
The deliberate targeting of civilians, be it through airstrikes or forced starvation, is entirely illegal under international law and utterly reprehensible. Yet these actions are being carried out, either tacitly or directly, by some of the most powerful countries on earth.
As well as killing civilians in large numbers today, this complete disregard for international law and the evident paralysis of the UN Security Council clears the path for the next atrocity.
The only way to stop this cycle is to ensure there are repercussions for states, including individual politicians and officials - who carry out these crimes, who arm those who do or who provide political or diplomatic cover for them.
The growing culture of impunity threatens our international norms and systems. There is an urgent need to establish new mechanisms to document war crimes and hold the perpetrators to account. Deeply politicised, the UN Security Council has consistently failed the people of Syria.
Impunity must end. So too must the silence that surrounds these barbaric actions.
Our own Government must forcefully condemn the current attacks and use its influence to hold the perpetrators accountable.
Ireland must speak up and de¬mand the strongest possible engagement by the EU on behalf of the Syrian people.
Continued inaction in the face of the murder of civilians on a daily basis means that we are all complicit in these horrors.
-Yours, etc,
Éamonn Meehan, Executive Director, Trocaire;
Celine Fitzgerald,   General Manager, Goal;
DOMINIC Macsorley, Chief Executive, Concern Worldwide

"I suppose you believe the moon comes up in the morning and sets at night!"
Like the rest of the civilised world, it would seem!!!!
No answer then
Thought not - that's answer enough for me
You must be one of those Conservative Christians I keep hearing about, like Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 05:37 AM

I've a blue paintbrush. You've a red paintbrush..................

I suppose you believe the moon comes up in the morning and sets at night!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 04:02 AM

Iaians
The stories of the Assad's behavior towards his people has been emerging since for over a decade now - the illegal arrests, the torture and mass mue=rder the vicious response to the Arab Spring protests, the chemical weapons, the Homs massacres, the indiscriminate destruction of towns like Aleppo.... and now Ghouta
FROM the CONSERVATIVE DAILY TELEGRAPH
They have been carried in every press in the world and have been researched and condemned by every human rights agency   
If it hadn't have been for a Russian and Chinese veto, U.N. troops would have moved in to stop his massacring his people.
His actions have been condemned outright by all the western powers - Britain actually had to take a vote in Parliament to decide whether or not to move British troops in
Even your running mates, Guido and think he is a monster, Keith, was moved to open and re-open a thread condemning his actions (though, in fairness, he did say it was ok to supply equipment in order to suppress his people's protests and lock them up in his torture chambers!!)
Without the bullshit, the attempted talking down and the personal insults, can you explain in as simple terms as possible, so us lesser mortals can understand it why THE WHOLE WORLD IS WRONG AND ONLY YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THIS POOR MISJUDGED LEADER?
Your starter for ten
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 03:31 AM

I can clearly state that the moon is made of green cheese! So What?
What kind of idiot gasses hid supporters when he is winning?

The western press clearly supports regime change in Syria and their reporting is very selective.
Seems to me the factions that use civilians as human shields are by far the most likely to stage incidents involving gas.
“We refuse categorically any initiative that includes getting the residents out of their homes and moving them elsewhere,” Ghouta rebel factions wrote in a letter to the Security Council."

https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/sc13219.doc.htm
There is little information coming from the area that is not carefully massaged for the target audience. Truth generally takes a backseat.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 08:32 PM

Last night (Sunday 25 Feb 2018) 60 Minutes had a segment on recent events in Syria concentrating on what it clearly states is repeated use by the Syrian regime of nerve gas on civilians.

I can't help but feel that all sides are cynical in this matter, with the exception of the civilians, who are not capable of acting, just being acted upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:23 PM

"A temporary CEASE FIRE IS AGREED UPON DESPITE RUSSIA EXCEPTIONS"
Not quite as precise as you make out.
Resolution 2401 has the following:

“2. Affirms that the cessation of hostilities shall not apply to military operations against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as Da’esh), Al Qaeda and Al Nusra Front (ANF), and all other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with Al Qaeda or ISIL, and other terrorist groups, as designated by the Security Council;

Levant also includes Syria

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 03:53 PM

Iran is to the east of the Persian Gulf and the middle eastern countries bottle necked by the Straits of Hormuz. If you wish to argue the minutiae of location of the straits that is a matter for you. It has always been a fear that in a period of international tension Iran would blockade the straits. There are insufficient International pipelines in the area for alternative routings to be used for export of crude and gas. As these countries are bankrolled by hydrocarbon sales, any interruption would hurt very quickly. This would impact both them and their destination markets.

Jimmy I have not been in a pub for over 2 years. Just remember I too have the ability to get personal. I seem to remember you got quite upset last time someone had a dig at you. I do not care for people insinuating I have been drinking. Just behave yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:49 PM

Iran really has the northern bank, not the eastern, seeing as the strait runs pretty near east-west. And why are you more worried about them that the two countries which hold the southern bank?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:08 PM

A repetition of your childishness - with a link that doesn't work
IS THIS ANY HELP?
You really aren't very good at this, are you?
Perhaps you should have stayed in the pub!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:44 PM

"Typos and red herrings - you really are not very good at this, are you?"
I knew the sour little scouser was an antique, But I did not realise he was old enough to be a court jester!

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas-pipeline-fuelling-the-worlds-bloodiest-conflict/news-story/74ef

A lot of that middle eastern oil and gas has to navigate the The Strait of Hormuz. It provides the only sea passage from the Persian Gulf to the open ocean and is one of the world's most strategically important choke points. At its narrowest point, the strait is 21 miles across and consists of 2-mile wide navigable channels for inbound and outbound shipping and a 2-mile-wide buffer zone. and guess what? Iran has the eastern bank. Should the channel ever be closed there would be some seriously unhappy people around the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 09:56 AM

Germany is taking more of the refugees. If Syria is in Russia's sphere of influence how many refugees do they take and why>

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 08:16 AM

Posted on wrong thread - never mind - it serves both equally
You appear to have retreated from your defence of this monster and are now throwing up a diversionary smokescreen to cover your retreat Iains - a bit obvious
Typos and red herrings - you really are not very good at this, are you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:23 AM

No jimmy. What is pathetic is that you hoover up everything in the media about Syria, and question none of it.
You are part of the dream team for the propagandists.

As Billy Cotton would say: Wakey, Wakey!

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

"logs"
Tyops - pathetic !!
Pretty inevitable (and even more pathetic) that you ignore the facts of the Assad regime, though I'm sure that the denials are on the way
Pity you can't use your mate Guido - he has no doubt about what a monster this killer is - he uses it to attack te Labour Party
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM

I do not collect logs. Is this your distraction ruse, instead of the usual babbling about weeds?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:16 AM

He had prisons full of opponents and was using torture and mass murder to dispose of them
FAKE NEWS 1
FAKE NEWS 2
FAKE NEWS 3
AND THE BEAT GOES ON 1
AND THE BEAT GOES ON 2

If you want more of this - how log have you got?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 04:10 AM

Interesting Assad is made out to be the original bad boy in this war.
He was running a secular country where various religions had coexisted for centuries. Strange that Saudi has not been subjected to the same machinations. The contrast between the secular society of Syria and the repressive religious society of Saudi never rates a mention. Nothing to do with the oil of course? and the desperate need for Quatar to have a
pipeline to turn all that gas into cash. Of course such a pipeline would be arranged to undercut the russian equivalent,Nord Stream in order to give the Russian Bear a poke in the eye.
The proxies are getting whapped, hence a ceasefire so the allies can regroup, rearm and revitalise their murderous scum. Of course having lived and worked there in Syria for some years when it all kicked off, I know nothing. I spent all my time wandering around with my eyes and ears shut. Having worked on gaswells in Quatar, I know nothing about that either.
Some have a different hymn book
Questions?
Questions?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:45 PM

"I bet those figures are an underestimate."
those figures ARE A JOKE COMPARED TO THESE
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:11 PM

I come to the Syria question without an in-depth knowledge of the players, especially Syria. I am a well known partisan for Israel. Once upon a time I was staying at a Christian hostel in Amsterdam, run by an Israeli. In between reading little tracts of the gospels I was talking to the Israeli who told me I should visit Israel but time the visit not to coincide with the coming war with Syria. It was the early 80s and he was serious at the time, although the war did not occur. I returned to the States just as Israel was crossing the border with Lebanon. I 'member a British publication opining that the Israelis were people of the book as in they were in Lebanon in "eye-for-an-eye" mode.

Sometime after this a Canadian housewife started a program to evacuate Jews from Syria. They were only a few thousand in number and members of an ancient community (not unlike the Yazidis), but they were in an impossible situation, essentially wards of a Shiite dictator who sort of protected them from the prejudices of a Sunni Majority. They were not free in any sense, nor were they free to leave.

Syria was otherwise thought of as a relatively stable secular tyranny run by a competent dictator who kept the economy going, a strong military and a strong nationalist Arabist political doctrine (Baathism, related to the Iraqi party but of course not the same). When he was opposed he responded with absolute violence (Hama). His son took over for him and appeared at first to be a kinder gentler version of the old man but that has gone way by the boards.

One of my first memories of the Syrian version of the "Arab Spring" was a reporter describing coming upon a circle of Syrians who were simply going to protest the dictatorship and were expecting to be killed in the process. Nevertheless they were going to try.

Considering the overall high level of education and wealth of the Syrian people, this is an especially tragic and violent set of circumstances. I truly do not see how this accrues to anyone's benefit, nor if it does, how this is worth the candle.

The Russians probably regard this as withing their sphere of influence, but considering the resources they put into fighting the insurgency, they probably don't believe they got much bang for their bucks. The U.S. seems to have been lackluster as well, given that it has to vet the secular insurgents from the religious fanatic insurgents (is that even possible?).

So vast quantities of civilians have been subjected to a long war with dull knives rather than a conclusive short sharp shock. Seems to me that the constant cease-fires and appeals to humanity have simply extended the torture.

If I started this period as a Syrian Muslim seven years ago, I'd do my best to be a modern European Atheist about now. Of all the leaders in this obscenity of violence I respect Angela Merkel most. She is the de facto leader of the Western World thanks to the virtual abdication of the other parties who refuse to take responsibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM

I see jimmie the ranters back on form. Got a good supply of dummies?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/30/us-coalition-airstrikes-iraqi-syrian-civilians
I bet those figures are an underestimate. An illegal war therefore the deaths are murders.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:27 PM

False news is alive and well.

Yup - that's your boy tRump & co.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:20 PM

"Goebbels and the white helmets must love Jim Lad. "
More insuts - sure sign of uncrtainty
"False news is alive and well."
Dont be so fucking stupid - this is happening in view of the whole world

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:14 PM

So far you have no insight of the west's positive influence.

I can see both sides

You sound trained to see only one.

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:07 PM

"The overwhelming casualties in Syria are civilians and legitimate opponents of teh Assad regime
Any war is governed by the Geneva Convention which limits the methods used - Syria, with its chemicals and outright indiscriminate slaughter has long contravened those limitations"

Goebbels and the white helmets must love Jim Lad. False news is alive and well. I suppose Assad and his band of merry men trashed swathes of Iraq and Libya as well?

Of course jimmie has not an iota of proof for his allegations, but why let lack of facts spoil the fairy tales?
Interesting use of the word legitimate opponents. What totally corkscrewed logic gives legitimacy to the opponents of the elected government. They are simply rebels. The fact Uncle Sam arms and trains them and is trying hard to give the Kurds independence in the north,
cannot alter the illegality of their respective actions.
The Russians and Iranians are in Syria because they were invited. The Americans are there just to what? destabilise the country? trash the infrastructure? bankrupt the government? kill civilians?

Does not seen a very humanitarian mission to me. So what is the real mission of the illegal war the US is waging?

Subject: RE: BS: Syrian Conflict
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

A temporary CEASE FIRE IS AGREED UPON DESPITE RUSSIA EXCEPTIONS