BS: If Russia didn't do it..?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:31 AM

Poison gas was used in compressed form back in WW1, but no-one suggests compressed gas was used here.

The barrel bomb drop was widely seen and reported. Douma is on the outskirts of Damascus.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:35 AM

"It's a display of weakness when posters resort to hurling cheap political labels around"

oh no it isn't...!!!


"Adhering to any political dogma be it of the so-called right wing or left wing is a display of weak mindedness much like adhering to religious dogma. Try studying the issues and thinking for yourself for a change - if nothing else it makes for good mental exercise."

bob - what you just wrote is patronising piffle...

... but at least you are trying to be a bit more creative in your writing...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:49 AM

"Try studying the issues and thinking for yourself for a change"

did that, still do it, got several certificates in a drawer somewhere to prove it...


Here's one I just thought for myself, took about a minute, if that..

Some folks are not only brown nosers for high establishment and authority,
but are so full of and pleased with themselves
they'd lick their own arses if they were flexible enough...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:50 AM

If the gas was not compressed I doubt there would be enough to wipe out a single canary.-get real!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:54 AM

Is anyone seriously suggesting that the scenes of children being medically treated for the effects of chemicals were faked !!
Surely Donald Duck's "fake news" hasn't reached that stage - YET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:07 PM

Jim - frankly, those 'news' images looked just as much as like bewildered frightened little kids
being bullied and distressed by rough abusive men with hosepipes and inhalers...???

Whichever, those kids need protecting by some agency from outside of all this confusing chaos...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:27 PM

And the one who described her experiences at some length - scripted maybe?
Don't think so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:37 PM

If the gas was not compressed I doubt there would be enough to wipe out a single canary.-get real!

Get real. It was not delivered in gas form. Nerve agents are usually a vapour or aerosol, and chlorine would be generated from chemicals within the munition.
You know all this. Your denials are all pretence.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:45 PM

What I don't understand about all this is, as far as I am concerned the Soviet Union shook off the "shackles of communism" twenty eight years ago and became part of the Democratic world, no those rightists who are condemning Russia appear to be suggesting that being one of the "free, decent, democratic countries" as our resident Lord Haw-Haw has described them, is capable of massacring civilians and using chemicals on them
I can't ever remember a Communist country ever being accused of chemical attacks, yet we know the good and the great "free, decent, democratic countries" have been using them since WW1 - our own dear WINNIE was very fond of them in fact
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:46 PM

oh no it isn't...!!!

Oh yes it is. It is nothing but name calling. It's the refuge of someone with a weak position trying to denigrate his opponent in order to bolster himself. It's base.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:49 PM

Jim - haven't seen them all...
BBC seems very selective of the one main clip mostly being repeated...

But the main point should be whoever is to blame for what,
those kids need protecting from the adults in Syria..

And from becoming further 'collateral damage' by 'our' or any other nations bombing PR stunts...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:50 PM

Jim, no-one would describe Putin's regime as a "free, decent, democratic country."

He regards such countries as his enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:02 PM

Oh yes it is. It is nothing but name calling. It's the refuge of someone with a weak position trying to denigrate his opponent in order to bolster himself. It's base."

bob - pack it in.. it's not going to work..

just makes you look like a sanctimonious buffoon running out of ideas
in your perpetual offensive against humanistic pacifist 'opponents'......

There are plenty of other things you can pick on to berate me for,
but 'self esteem issues' is not one of them...!!!!


.. and I don't care either if your dick is bigger than mine...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:12 PM

"kids need protecting from the adults in Syria.."
I would have thought that both children and adults need protecting from the regime once the fighting stops - surely you are not suggesting that adult non-combatants colluded to blame Assad and Russia?
Assad is notorious for taking revenge on anybody he identifies as a non-supporter (ask Keith - he's an admirer who wanted to sell him riot-control equipment)
Anybody who supported the original Arab Spring protests fit neatly into Assad's (mark for special treatment) category
We really 'ain't seen nuffin yet'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:23 PM

"surely you are not suggesting that adult non-combatants colluded to blame Assad and Russia?"

Jim - of course I'm not, why would I..???

.. well not all of them.......

..and if any at all, then that's open to the reasonable conjecture that permeates these current threads...

My straight answer is I DON'T KNOW....

But anything is seemingly possible in that shelled to shit death zone...

.. and most folks would place safety of children, the next generation, as a priority for saving...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:36 PM

"My straight answer is I DON'T KNOW...."
Nobody does, but I would have thought that such a deception involving cameraman, civilians, children and rescuers would have taken a bit of organisation and rehearsal - wouldn't have thought that there was time to have done that
I cannot see why it should not have been Russia, given their track-record in Chechnya - it's not the same country I held out great hope for all those years ago
As for Assad - Chemical attacks and slaughtering civilians appears to come second nature to the old friend and ally of Britain
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:42 PM

humanistic pacifist 'opponents'

Lololol!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:45 PM

Jim - on a practical level..
If that scene in the hospital with hoses and inhalers was staged,
it wouldn't have taken much planning or time at all.

Anyone capable of using a Hi res phone cam and organizing quickly briefed activists into an impromtu improvised shoot
could have knocked that up very quickly indeed.

Just add genuinely terrified kids to add to the realism.

I'm not saying that is what happened, and it is not genuine.
But just pointing out how easy and quickly a scene like that could have been contrived as pure propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:46 PM

bob - that's right, we gotta retain a sense of humour...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:10 PM

" and chlorine would be generated from chemicals within the munition."
Standard manufacture of chlorine is by the electrolysis of table salt.
You'd be damm clever to fit that in a munition.
I am always ready to be corrected but the standard delivery of chlorine is by compressed gas.
The conventional understanding of barrel bomb is a drum packed with explosive and scrap iron to produce shrapnel.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:24 PM

"Anyone capable of using a Hi res phone cam and organizing quickly briefed activists into an impromtu improvised shoot"
Sorr PFR - you're beginning to sound more and more like Iains every minute
And then there's the planning conferences between the allies...
Nah - doesn't make sense to me
These were elderly men women and children I saw, and medical teams
Cecil B De M would have taken weeks to set up such a scene involving so many genuine-looking extras
As I said - Russia's and Syria's track-record clinches it for me - they've both been there and done this before - many times
Leopards - spots and all that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:35 PM

Jim - this is pointless if we are not talking about the same clip.

As an ex AV technician, I am talking hypothetically about ONLY the most commonly shown clip on BBC
[well the one I see most of]
of kids being water blasted with hoses, and puffed with inhalers.

And for that ONE clip, I stand by what I say about the easy logistics
of quickly faking something very similar...
IF any one was motivated to do that...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:36 PM

Standard manufacture of chlorine is by the electrolysis of table salt.

Yes, but much easier to use chemical reagents.
Having said that I see that pressurised chlorine gas has been used in Syria.

Syrian chemical weapons use backed-up by second ...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/...
Chlorine gas canister munitions have been photographed at the sites where tests conducted by The Telegraph demonstrated that the Assad regime had conducted gas attacks on civilians.
bellingcat - New Details of the February 1st 2018 Chlorine ...
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/02/12/new-details...

The standard warhead has been replaced with a large pressurized gas cylinder, and tail fins have been added to the rocket. The munition matches exactly with the design of munition used in the January 22 2018 chlorine attack in Douma, Damascus, as well as chlorine attacks that …

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:38 PM

"Standard manufacture of chlorine is by..." Not always, for use as a weapon. Standard chemical rounds/bombs are two chemicals that, when combined, form the desired agent. That was what was found in Iraq, BTW ( Several thousand empty rounds, as the chemicals are not usually stored in the shell. But we know Saddam didn't have anything like that- he even told us he had destroyed the ones the UN had found earlier. He wouldn't have lied about that, would he?

And there were a number of truck convoys seen just before the US invasion of Iraq, going from the Iraqi chemical weapons facilities and arms storage to Syria. Could the chemicals to produce weapons have been in those trucks?





And as an aside:



"A Russian journalist who reported on political scandals linked to President Vladimir Putin's associates and the death of Russian mercenaries in Syria has died in hospital after a mysterious fall from his apartment. CBS News partner network BBC News reports that neighbors found Maxim Borodin badly injured on the ground outside his fifth floor apartment in Yekaterinburg on April 12.

Local and regional authorities told the BBC that no suicide note was discovered and the door to his apartment was found locked from the inside. They said no criminal activity was suspected.

But Vyacheslav Bashkov, a friend of the deceased journalist, told the British network that Borodin had called him early on the morning of April 11, saying there was "someone with a weapon on his balcony and people in camouflage and masks on the staircase landing."

Bashkov described Borodin as a "principled, honest journalist," and told the BBC he called back later on the 11th to say he must have been wrong about his apartment being surrounded around 5 a.m., and that the mysterious armed individuals were apparently taking part in a security exercise.

The representative for media freedom at a European security organization told the BBC that Borodin's death should be investigated.

Harlem Désir of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe said the circumstances of the death were "of serious concern."

Borodin had reported recently on the death of hundreds of Russian mercenaries killed in U.S. airstrikes in northern Syria, after U.S.-allied forces came under attack in the region.

He had also investigated the bizarre story of a Belorussian sex worker arrested in Thailand who claims to have recorded conversations with a Russian oligarch which prove Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In October last year, a prominent journalist for one of Russia's leading news radio stations was stabbed in the throat by an unknown attacker who burst into her studio. Tatyana Felgenhauer is the deputy editor of Ekho Moskvy, often described as Russia's only independent news radio station.

Another popular Ekho Moskvy host, Yulia Latynina, fled Russia in September following a suspected arson attack on her car. After that attack, the Committee to Protect Journalists urged Russian authorities "to identify and prosecute those responsible for the attacks."

Russia's myriad state-owned media have long targeted Ekho Moskvy for its critical reporting of the Kremlin.

Felgenhauer survived, but the attack on her was only the latest -- unless the circumstances of Borodin's death are linked to crime -- in a series of as-yet unsolved attacks on Russian journalists."

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:39 PM

PFR,
As an ex AV technician, I am talking hypothetically about ONLY the most commonly shown clip on BBC

Our media did not show the more distressing clips of dead and dying kids.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:49 PM

This will not go down well!


http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-smoking-gun-evidence-in-syria-that-should-bring-the-british-government-down/

One of our ,no less!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:57 PM

Another viewpoint- but one with obvious biases...


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It’s initial success motivated a small team to tackle the current excesses of geo-political and neoliberal thinking to help the wider public understand the importance of questioning and researching these important public interest topics. The purpose of TruePublica is to enable more informed decisions such as civil liberty, human rights, privacy, social, economic and environmental issues as well as globalisation, war and pivotal events such as the refugee catastrophe unfolding in front of us all."




All depends on whose propaganda one wishes to believe. Seems like the story fits exactly into what the goal of this group purports to be.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 02:59 PM

There is a glaring omission in that the OPCW has clearly stated on numerous occasions that the "headloppers" also lob gas cylinders about with gay abandon and fabricate their own launchers. Don't ever see sky,bbc and cnn reporting this now do you?


http://www.comedonchisciotte.net/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=5206

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:16 PM

Well here's a list of things I need to be a bit more certain about:

It actually did happen.

It was what chemical?

It was delivered by a barrel bomb.

It was dropped by a helicopter.

The rebels don't have helicopters.

It definitely wasn't a put-up job.


Prove all those things, chaps. The first casualty of war is the truth. You can say all these things as often as you like, no matter even if they come from the mouths of your trusted authority figures. I don't trust 'em, you see. I don't think I'm an extremist just because I don't trust what politicians say. I think I'm being very sensible, in fact. I stood in a very cold town square in Bude in March 2003, holding hands in a circle of people who didn't trust politicians. The powers that be told us that we must have been wrong because "only a million" of us turned out, nationwide, on that chilly March day. But we were right, weren't we? Almost a million Iraqis died, millions more were left in misery and a Pandora's box of terrorism was unleashed on the world that we are still living with. You've forgotten that bIt, some of you.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:22 PM

https://gowans.wordpress.com/2018/04/08/eight-reasons-why-the-latest-syria-chemical-weapons-attack-allegations-are-almost-certai

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:30 PM

The standard warhead has been replaced with a large pressurized gas cylinder, and tail fins have been added to the rocket. The munition matches exactly with the design of munition used in the January 22 2018 chlorine attack in Douma, Damascus, as well as chlorine attacks that …

Do you reckon that represents the acme of Russian missile development brought in to aid Assad, or do you think a pointy head headlopper knocked it up in his garden shed?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:39 PM

Interesting the white helmets scarpered from Douma on the same coaches as the terrorists. I presume they learnt their next script while on the bus.
You can tell a man by the company he keeps, as someone is wont to tell us!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 03:53 PM

New conspiracy theory made up by me .... why not?

White helmets ( AKA rentamob, private army doing good deeds like Crusaders in their spare time), financed by? plant some uninspiring gear and pay peanuts to kids to be filmed. to cause international consternation regarding poison gas to which POTUS retaliates and convinces his allies? to blow up a couple of sheds to convince his gullible converts to vote for a Trump led Republican party at the upcoming elections.

Seen it before .... I was war correspondent for the Beano

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:01 PM

Did you get a mention in dispatches from the Dandy? or were you creating cutaway diagrams of barrel bombs for the Eagle?

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:09 PM

Cant tell you.
All DC Thomsom employees signed a non disclosure agreement and you got sent to work for the Sunday Post if you broke it.
Isvestia tried to copy it but the H.o.N man foiled it while he was working undercover   ...... Allegedly

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 04:01 AM

Ians,

Do you reckon that represents the acme of Russian missile development brought in to aid Assad, or do you think a pointy head headlopper knocked it up in his garden shed?

No, and neither do they include barrel bombs in their arsenal.
We know for a fact that Assad has used such weapons before.

Steve, it may not be proved to your satisfaction, but what decent democratic government shares your doubts?
You are just desperate to believe that the West is bad and anti-Western regimes good.
You condemn Israel on far less evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 05:29 AM

"We know for a fact that Assad has used such weapons before."
perhaps we do perhaps we do not.

What we do know, and has been confirmed by the OPCW, is that the liquorice allsorts that is isis has fabricated cylinder bombs and launch vehicles. Anyone with a bit of knowledge and a walmart welder could fabricate the same in a relatively low tech workshop. That is fact.

and confirmed in the daily wail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2860469/Syrian-rebels-strike-HELL-CANNON-Aleppo-s-besieged-residents-construct-devastati

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/gallery/hell-cannon-ultimate-home-made-weaponry-4748810
UN report

https://www.un.org/press/en/2017/sc13060.doc.htm

Read the language carefully! Note all the caveats. Proof is an elusive beast. Some of those conclusions would have problems with a jury if a conviction was required!

However as Lavrov states: "highly likely" is a new invention of British diplomacy to describe why they punish people – because these people are highly likely guilty, like in Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll when he described a trial. And when they discovered that the jury could be engaged, then the King said "Let's ask the jury" and the Queen shouted "No jury! Sentence first – verdict afterwards." That's the logic of "highly likely".

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 05:50 AM

"perhaps we do perhaps we do not."
You may choose not to know - little doubt elsewhere
The fact that Isis uses similar only puts the two on par
There is no justification for these weapons or similar - this includes past uses of napalm and Agent Orange and more recently, white phosphorus or chemical sprays to drive farmers off their lands - all acts of barbarism by modern-day barbarians
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 06:24 AM

But where does it end. GM food so "less" chemicals sprayed on it?
No white phophorus for smoke grenades;
Do we not perform chemical warfare regularly on arable lands?
Where was the outcry when sheep farmers were poisoned by organo phosphorus sheep dip. Did all those bee colonies collapse all on their ownsome, or did we have a hand in it?

What gives a farmer the right to exterminate pests? Some treat foxes as cuddly pets. Some eevn hug trees! Do people stop driving because of the pollutants they spray from their vehicles?
You ain't gonna feed the world by putting the genie back in the bottle.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 07:01 AM

Spring of 2000, the year I moved back to the West Country from London,
I went out for a leisurly cycle rediscovering country lanes from boyhood...
I was pedaling alongside fields when I was suddenly struck by severe symptoms
I could perhaps liken to how I imagine the effects of tear gas stricken victims.

I struggled to cycle home in great discomfort,
then was stuck in the house incapacitated for a few days..
It's a long time ago to remember back to,
But I think I felt weakened for quite a few weeks afterwards...

What was that then, pollen.. ? pestecides...???

I didn't bother going to the Dr for a check up, just shrugged it off manfully,,,

So I'll never know what caused that period of illness...

Ever since then I've been hyper sensitive to strong perfumes
and synthetic scented air feshners in pubs and other public places.

Even 'safe' chemical products are a serious problem to many ordinary folks...

Far more stringent controls should be placed on their manufacture and irresponsible use..
not just the evil weaponised chemical agents...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 07:08 AM

"But where does it end. GM food so "less" chemicals sprayed on it?"
Cannot possible be compared to chemicals designed to destroy crops
In the case of Agent Orange, the pilots dropping the stuff were flying home to die of cancer they contacted
WHITE PHOSPHORUS
NOT ONLY RUSSIA AND SYRIA
EFFECTS

Must go easy on the Brussels sprouts!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 08:32 AM

Pfr Many years ago I had a temporary site office on a farm in the SW, where spraying occurred. Shortly after I had fairly severe Iritis for around 10 days. No other symptoms, no other sensible explanation. Also on two occasions while flying(out of hundreds)I have had symptoms of going into shock, lasting for several hours. I take no medication, have not seen a doctor for decades(apart from work medicals)and have no obvious explanation. I can only surmise that over time I have become sensitised to certain levels of contaminants in cabin air. The world health organisation have carried out studies supporting this idea.
Better not talk about the fumes released by a new car, or some plastic household materials.
Such is the world we live in.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 08:58 AM

"Such is the world we live in. "
I'm fully aware of the fouled up planet we live on Ians
These are weapons deliberately targeted to kill and maim human beings - in the case of some, for generations to come
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM

I've not heard much in the news about Trident lately...

This latest trumped up playground bickering with Russia
probably means we will be hearing much more in favour of it as we get nearer to elections...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 09:15 AM

...and presumably, predictably, Trident will become yet again, a big stick to beat down with upon 'Ruskie lover' Corbyn...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Iains
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 09:51 AM

I wonder what is happening in Gaza? 33 Palestinians dead and more than 4279 injured since 30 March, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. The escalating violence has also led to the injury of 41 health staff, of whom 3 were injured by bullets, with 13 ambulances damaged by bullets.

We are all being diverted away from events there. Why would that be?
and to put Syrian events in perspective:   
From last year:
The US-led coalition has admitted killing at least 484 civilians in air strikes in Syria and Iraq amid concern over potential war crimes in the battle to drive Isis out of Mosul. US Central Command (CentCom) insisted it “takes extraordinary efforts to strike military targets in a manner that minimises the risk of ..   collateral.....

Those pots and kettles must be in a permanent state of confusion!

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: bobad
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 10:21 AM

I wonder what is happening in Gaza?

It's quite simple really.

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has declared the purpose of the demonstrations in his statement: "We will take down the border and we will tear out their hearts from their bodies"

The Israelis are stopping that from happening.

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 10:38 AM

Unfortunately peacekeepers have an impossible job in that region...???
... and a world police force is a needed but utterly unrealistic dream...

Eternally warring factions will eventually drag the rest of the world down the shit hole with them...

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 10:49 AM

"It's quite simple really."
It is indeed Bobad
I'll stick with Iains
"33 Palestinians dead and more than 4279 injured since 30 March,"
rather than your pro Israeli terrorist propaganda if its all the same with you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: If Russia didn't do it..?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 11:03 AM

Ians,
"We know for a fact that Assad has used such weapons before."
perhaps we do perhaps we do not.

We do!
Wiki,
"In August 2016, a report[1] by the United Nations and the OPCW explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015 and ISIS for using sulfur mustard on the town of Marea in August 2015.[3] Several other attacks have been alleged, reported and/or investigated."

"The third report(The UN-OPCW Joint Investigative Mechanism) blamed the Syrian government for two gas attacks in 2015, and accused ISIS of using mustard gas.[99] In October 2016 the leaked fourth report of task force determined that the Syria had conducted at least three gas attacks in 2015.[99]
In January 2017, they declared that they had composed a list of those responsible for using chemical weapons in the war. The list, which has not been made public, is divided into three sections. The first, is titled "Inner-Circle President" and has six people, including Assad, his brother, the defense minister and the head of military intelligence. The second section names the air force chief and its four commanders, including the heads of the 22nd Air Force Division and the 63rd Helicopter Brigade. The last section titled "Other relevant Senior Mil Personnel" includes two colonels and major-generals. This they said indicates that the decision to use gas came from the very top.[100]"