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Subject: Tech: HTML Emojis
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:42 PM

Somebody sent me a PM, asking how to make emojis in Mudcat posts. I know it's possible and I've done it a few times, but I forget now and don't have a real computer just now to look it us. Can somebody give us some easy lessons? Then we can use the rest of this thread to practice.
Thanks.
-Joe, on vacation with a Chromebook-
😀 (Emoticon copied from Mr. Red's post below.)
😀


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:48 PM

Have admin techs given up on enabling emoticon plugins in Chrome,
which stopped working after the site refurb...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:49 PM

Yep, guess so.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:49 PM

Test: ??


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:49 PM

..yeah... still not working...


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:51 PM

Let's hope it never works. It would be a pointless obstacle for the blind.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 14 May 18 - 04:17 PM

Jack are those that, that will not see? :<)


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 May 18 - 01:21 AM

I thought it had been fixed. Accented characters was fixed.

Here's one from the Android keyboard.

??

Previews OK.

Maybe it depends on which emoticon you try. And also which ones your computer can display.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 May 18 - 02:27 AM

let us see: the more obvious character like 1/2 etc as hash codes eg &#188;

¹         º         »         ¼         ½         ¾         ¿         À         Á         Â         Ã         Ä

Å         Æ         Ç         È         É         Ê         Ë         Ì         Í         Î         Ï         Ð         Ñ         Ò         Ó

and AE copied    Æ    as text
then emoticons using hash codes:

😀         😁         😂         😃         😄         😅         😆         😇         😈         😉         😊         😋         😌         😍

and a copy & paste

??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??         ??


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 May 18 - 02:39 AM

Win 7

Firefox 59.0.2 - last line doesn't show all others OK
IE 11.0.96 - similar but emoticons in B&W
Goggle Chrome 53.0.2785.116 - as IE 11
Safari 5.1.7 - no emoticons

Dunno about Tabs - Safari is the latest version for free that I have.

What do you see?


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 May 18 - 02:45 AM

The option in my Firefox add-on works for emojis too - though I wrote it so that I could post accented characters.

😉


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 15 May 18 - 11:25 AM

So, answering the OP, here's one way of posting an emoticon - if you must.

Unicode is an international standard system for encoding (i.e. turning into a code) letters, non-western characters, symbols, hieroglyphs, and pictures.

Every emoticon has a Unicode number which you can look up on the internet. For example the grinning face at the top left of the table on this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticons_(Unicode_block)
is 1F600 (usually written U+1F600) and the devil further along is 1F608. The next row starts 1F610

To post these you type:

&#x1F600;   😀
&#x1F608;   😈
&#x1F610;   😐

The &# prefix and the final semicolon turn it into an html code. The x specifies that it's in hexadecimal - hex 1F600 is decimal 128512 so this works too:

&#128512; 😀

This method should work with any Unicode symbol - e.g. Chinese characters.

BUT - just because you can see it, it doesn't mean everyone else can. It depends on having the appropriate font installed.

There are also lots of sites which will give you the codes - Mr Red has one.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 11:41 AM

Win 8.1 / Chrome browser...

Plugin: https://www.emojiforgooglechrome.com/?ref=emojiinputhelp

Emojis will Preview but still only post as two question marks... ??

[that was supposed to be my favourite "face with stuck out tongue and winking eye"]


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 15 May 18 - 11:49 AM

😀


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Jeri
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:15 PM

Stick an ampersand (&) in front of these, and try:
#128540; 😜
or
#x1F61C; 😜


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:15 PM

:-{p


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:24 PM

https://getemoji.com


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 18 - 05:24 PM

https://getemoji.com


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 May 18 - 04:49 PM

Mr Red has one (opens in a new tab) see the hash codes
(I use denary notation - 0-9, as opposed to hexadecimal 0-F) the code above the emoticon is the relevant one.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 17 May 18 - 06:18 AM

Some browsers refuse to display any characters that take more than two bytes of Unicode. Thus, the following are much safer than the ones used above:
&#9785;
&#9786;
&#9787;

If your message relies on an irony emoticon, best stick to the traditional forms ;-) or ;)


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 17 May 18 - 10:58 AM

The last of those is officially called Black Smiling Face. It's in a set called Miscellaneous Symbols
https://www.unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_2600.html

On this Android tablet, in Grishka's post, it's red! Which illustrates a couple if problems with emoticons - they may not appear the same to other people and it's not obvious what they mean. They may not even always appear the same on a particular device. On the Unicode webpage it does appear as black. ?

The number of bytes used by a unicode symbol, as encoded in UTF-8 which is what Mudcat's forum uses, is shown here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Description
All the ones in the new Emoticons table I linked to earlier are 4-bytes in UTF-8.

I've never thought of ;-) - wink - as expressing irony. There was a proposal for an irony punctuation mark but I've rarely seen it used:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation

Personally I'd avoid using emoticons/emoji altogether on forums.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Reinhard
Date: 17 May 18 - 12:46 PM

If you can't express yourself with words you'd better be quiet rather than sinking to the level of teletubbies.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 17 May 18 - 06:44 PM

DaveRo: the "face" appears red because I used a "font color=" tag to that effect. -

Certainly emoticons can be ambiguous - so can words, gestures, or facial expressions. Some of these are clear insults, all have to be used carefully. Rarely two have exactly the same meaning; there are situations in which an emoticon "says it all" ☺. -

Wikipedia about "Wink":
...
Cultural specific differences
...
The West
Winking in Western culture can be used as a way of letting someone else know that the winker or some other person is joking or lying (e.g., a parent tells their child a story about a fairy princess, and then winks at the child's older sibling, the sibling thus knows the parent is lying to the younger child).


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 18 May 18 - 12:10 AM

GUEST,Grishka wrote: the "face" appears red because I used a "font color=" tag to that effect.
Ah! And here's me thinking Google must have applied a 'cultural sensitivity' filter to their font!

Wink: joking, yes - but not irony.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:19 PM

I love Google's blob emojis from Android 4.0-7.0 better than Apple emojis. Too bad they changed them to the round ones.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 May 18 - 02:59 AM

There was a proposal for an irony punctuation mark but I've rarely seen it used:

and the sarcastrophe (et al) eg ^any sarcastic remark for the dimmer amongst us^


you'd better be quiet rather than sinking to the level of teletubbies. - a comment from someone who doesn't know his own species well enough.

IME the problem with the web generally and forums in particular is that: because the body language is non-existent people re-interpret what you write in the context their own sensitivities. In human communications we are still a visual species. On-line dating attests to this problem, I discovered this 30 years ago with ads in the personal columns of newspapers. The same problemo. No body language. Until emoticons. A poor substitute for body language, but short of a video link (AND smellyvision), the best we can do.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 May 18 - 03:18 AM

DaveRo, I took the red face to be a colo(u)red B&W icon.
Aaaaaaand .........
anyone know if there is a simple B&W four-leaf emoticon? I collect them you know.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 27 May 18 - 04:28 AM

on my tablet grishka's post is
☹blank
☺? black smiley face in a circle
☻blank


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 May 18 - 05:08 AM

Can you see the ones in Joe's original post and Jeri's?

If so I think it's because some browsers recognise those - the unicode block starting at x1F600 - as emojis and handle them differently - applying a special emoji image set.

Grishka's emoticons are symbols, and are displayed using the website or default browser font. That's why you can colour them with a font color tag - you can't do that with the x1F600 emoji.

So my guess is that whatever font you're displaying this page with does not have glyphs for those symbols.

(I notice that Jeri's emoji looks deranged on an iPad but quite friendly on Android. What on earth does it mean?)


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 May 18 - 10:55 AM

I really hope it won't catch on here. I could put up with it if people had little selfie pics by their posts, so you could have some notion of who you were talking to, but Emojis I see as an abomination. The same goes for Emoticoms.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 May 18 - 03:11 PM

yep.. some folks still hanker after the days of fountain pens and ink pots...


bugger.. i can't use an emoji to denote playful tongue in cheek mickey taking...


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 18 - 06:23 PM

😐
😒
😔
😖


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Noreen
Date: 29 May 18 - 06:25 PM

😑 😓 😕 😗 😘 😙 😠


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 29 May 18 - 09:21 PM

yep.. some folks still hanker after the days of fountain pens and ink pots...


What's a pen? was the question

A printer hooked up directly to ur brain


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 May 18 - 03:21 AM

A printer hooked up directly to ur brain

1) the eyes are needed for that and the eyes are uniquely graphical in nature. Your handwriting is emotive of itself.

2) is "ur" any more affected/fashionable/modern than emojis?

        🤓


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:09 AM

I quite like these emojis, but they can get a bit much. There's a site called Netmums, and the young ladies on there call each other 'hun' and their babies 'bubs'. Their site is absolutely covered in twinkly sparkly emojis/emoticons (is there a difference?) and fancy stuff. Rather childish in my view, but I'm sure they enjoy it all.

However, I'm smiling here, as you might as well be typing Serbo-Croat. I haven't a clue what you're all talking about. I'm with McGrath.

And oi! What's wrong with pen-and-ink eh?


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 30 May 18 - 06:55 AM

'"ur" is txt-speak, and goes right along with the demise of the pen


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 30 May 18 - 06:57 AM

( - ;


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 30 May 18 - 07:51 AM

So yes, the eyes. I'm not tech-savvy like u Mr Red, but I suppose then the eyes would be considered some sort of peripheral thingamajigs. Interesting.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 May 18 - 10:18 AM

what I find ironic.... [ damn you Alanis Morissette - for forever confusing the meaning of the word...]


is that the very folks who may most need to read 'irony emojis'
in order to comprehend the varied nuances of expression being communicated to them,
may possibly be the folks most likely to haughtily disdain them as 'too childish'...???

.. Folks who bluster pedantically in forums, as they persist in misunderstanding and taking unintended offence...

Which is why Emoticons exist, and should be carefully selected, for that good reason...

Guess which emoji I'd now choose as most appropriate...!!!!???


Yes, Jane Austen, Joseph Conrad, and others never required emoticons,
but they usually had several hundred pages to express their ideas,
not a limited number of hastily written words in internet discussions...


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 30 May 18 - 11:45 AM

Guess which emoji...

(:-) for messages dealing with bicycle helmets

@= for messages dealing with nuclear war

<:-) for dumb questions

oo for somebody's head-lights are on messages

o>-<|= for messages of interest to women

~= a candle, to annotate flaming messages

Any of these?


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 18 - 11:49 AM

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/Orig-Smiley.htm


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 12:25 PM

DaveRo May 17
asking what I see on my Android tablet, chrome browser

In JO's opening post I see only text.
It ends with
"... below.)
😀"
^^^^^^ that's & # X 1 F 6 0 0 ;
( ! how do I know what anyone else sees ! ? )

In Jeri's post I see
#128540; followed by, I guess, a winking cat face, pulling tongues
&
#x1F61C; followed by the same face

In your post May 18
I see a cat face(isuppose it's a cat? or a bear??)
with one eye looking like a > , the other open, with about half a mouth, under the > .


In Noreen's two posts I see six of what I'm calling a cat's face.
They all look pretty similar, I can see one has maybe a tear next to one eye.
If I take the trouble to enlarge the screen I can see one with a > for one eye and a big heart shaped mouth.
~~~~~~~~

I understand
a wink ;) -"I don't really mean this"
a smile :) -"This is\that was funny or good"
sad :(      -"unfortunately \ This is\that was sad"

Anything beyond that is lost on me.
When I was a child
pulling tongues was done with both eyes open and meant "go away, I don't like you"
I don't remember anyone winking at the same time as pulling tongues.
Adults might have pulled tongues at a child,followed by a smile, as a joke; I don't remember adults pulling tongues at other adults.
Maybe I've lead a sheltered life!

If I read a book or article I hope I'll pick up whether it is serious or humourous or sarcastic. But if I get the wrong end of the stick it doesn't usually matter. It also helps to know the subject and particularly to know the writer from earlier pieces.

The snag with 'clever' or subtle humour in forums is that it can be read in too many different ways. On a public forum you don't know who is reading it for the first(\last!) time.
And the emoticon can be misread too so it might be clouding rather than clarifying the message.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: DaveRo
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:18 PM

FreddyHeadey wrote: In your post May 18
I see a cat face(isuppose it's a cat? or a bear??)
I suspect your Android is quite old, in which case it's actually the Android Alien. Later versions of Android show yellow blobs, and it's most recently gone back to round ones.

So no - what you see is not what everyone sees.


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Subject: RE: Tech: HTML Emojis in Mudcat Forum?
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Jun 18 - 04:24 AM

And the emoticon can be misread too

It can be used wrong too! IMNSHO emoticons, by and large, enhance the meaning. They are a surrogate for the face in face to face conversation. Let us just say statistically better than nothing.

E&OE


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