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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 05:42 PM

What does a Left Wing Extremist know about Moderate Centrists?

Obviously not much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 04:03 PM

what does a Right Wing Extremist Trumpite know about 'facts'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 02:20 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 01:58 AM

Time to close the thread.... "


What? You mean that when a minority viewpoint is posted, the thread should be terminated????


I guess facts are not required for a Liberal decision on things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 01:08 PM

Trump will sign a desist separation of children order but says zero tolerance is still in effect.

Now how long will it take to find all the lost kids?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 01:02 PM

First, Americans do not have neighbourhoods, they have neighbors who only speak about religion and politics anonymously unless they already know their neighbor is an idiot and avoid all but small talk rumors about other neighbors. ;^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: meself
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 10:43 AM

Americans: what's the general feeling in your neighbourhoods - do people generally care about what's being done in their name to babies and children at the border?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 09:30 AM

Ivanka quote - Its bad optics

Human rights commission tossed to the curb
Coincidence my ass


Civil rights are next, then constitutional rights


Puerto Rico showed us the right to life is only as valuable as paper towels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 08:25 AM

Trump just said "putting children in cages doesn't look good"
Sums the man up completely
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 07:35 AM

America has announced its withdrawal from the United Nations Human Rights Committee - surely a coincidence!!!!
The Israeli leadership has described it as "a courageous move" while Boris Johnson says it is "regrettable"
The suggestion is that, following the Iran Agreement pull-out and other moves, America is leading an alignment of extremist states
Happy days - eh what
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 07:02 AM

Surely the alarm bells became deafening when the White Robed Ol' BOYS IN POINTY HATS joined his parade cheer-led by CRAZY ANNIE COULTER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 07:02 AM

Surely the alarm bells became deafening when the White Robed Ol' BOYS IN POINTY HATS joined his parade cheer-led by CRAZY ANNIE COULTER
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 06:33 AM

First scape goats first.

First its Mexican rapists and El Salvador MS 13
Then its toddlers
Then its those insulting Canadians and eventually
Trump will get around to Jews and Catholics.
Maybe beards will be banned too.
Remember goats don't scape themselves


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 06:08 AM

By the way - what is happening in Gaza hs nothing to do with antisemitism in any way, shape or form unless you reject the clause in the definition which says that it is antisemitic to associate the Jewish people with the acts of the Israeli Government
You have Trump's antisemitism - fake news maybe !!!!!
Seems to be the latest 'get-out-of-jail card for Trumpeters nowadays
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 06:02 AM

When are you going to come to terms with the fact that it doesn't matter a fiddlers fart who does it Iains - it's the behaviour of barbarians
The shit treatment of immigrants is a phenomenon of the politics and the people you defend, so each time you put another up it appears to be an act of triumphalism
Please stop gloating over your triumphs against humanity
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 05:48 AM

And in Europe?

https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Accompanied_migrant_minors_detention_ENG.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 05:25 AM

I assume Trumps supposed antisemitism is the reason for:

"In what critics framed as Orwellian ‘up-is-down, down-is-up’ remarks from the State Department on Tuesday, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo officially announced that the U.S. is withdrawing from its participation in the U.N. Human Rights Council, claiming the body responsible for upholding international standards for human rights was no longer “worthy of its name.”

Haley—who has steadfastly refused to acknowledge the human rights violations of close U.S. ally Israel, including multiple charges regarding that country’s alleged war crimes carried out against Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank and Gaza—said the withdrawal from the council was necessary “because our commitment does not allow us to remain a part of a hypocritical and self-serving organization that makes a mockery of human rights.”
A strange way of supporting antisemitism methinks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 05:07 AM

ACCEPTABLE FOR THOSE WHO FLY THE RIGHT FLAG apparently
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 03:41 AM

Best to ignore the troll - isn't that what you always say Baccie ?
You no more let such people win than you let The Devil have the best tunes.
It is useful to see someone laying all their cards on the table for this piece of work - that doesn't often happen
"makes YOU a lesser person, and less honorable than HE is.
And that is saying something."
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 01:58 AM

Time to close the thread....


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 11:31 PM

Wrong again, Donuel.


Purging people from the voter roles who

Have not voted in the last 6 years
do not respond to letters from the election boards
are dead or have moved away

would give us a better election process- who knows, the graveyard vote may well have elected Trump.


But YOU would rather use the Supreme Court ruling to dump on Trump- which, IMO, makes YOU a lesser person, and less honorable than HE is.

And that is saying something.


Glad you want all those kids now housed at government expense to either go to prison, or be dumped on the streets when their parents are put in prison or deported. Shows what a kind, caring heart YOU have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 09:32 PM

Purging people from voting will help who?'
America is INFESTED with illegals. DT
dehumanize take children teach fear and hate
its all good practice for an old despotic trick


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 07:26 PM

Donuel,

You have never read MY book.

IT IS A LIE that "THE US Supreme Court has ruled that it is legal to purge people from registered voter lists if they do not vote in a primary."

There was a lot more to it than that, but since YOU are more interested in making a political point than approaching the truth, you ignore the facts.

So it is obvious that YOUR solution to the illegal immigrants is to jail the children with the families, and let them be abused by all and sundry. That IS the Liberal way, right?


"Anti Trump bias combined with ancestors in the US less than six generations makes for automatic lying sub class citizens in your book"

LIE.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 06:01 PM

Trump is short for Trumpler!!! You usaians voted for this arsehole, you deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 05:30 PM

Anti Trump bias combined with ancestors in the US less than six generations makes for automatic lying sub class citizens in your book.

Real Americans like Glen Beck are the only blood and soil truth tellers,
in your book we are the whiners and criers like those illegal kids.

It won't be long until you have the entire country to yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 04:54 PM

More lies, Donuel.


But we expect nothing better from you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 02:26 PM

And, of course, the US is demonstrating perfectly why there should be no place for religion in politics - they should be kept completely separate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 02:22 PM

Arrff, arrff, arrff! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 11:59 AM

On second thoughts - no you don't
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 11:57 AM

"Great accent Backwoodsman."
You want to hear him do Scouse!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 09:02 AM

Great accent Backwoodsman.

I repeated a lie. There is no evidence of any calls, skype or communication of parents with incarcerated children.
Most accurately this policy is the brain child of Stephen Miller.
The unreleased pictures of siezed toddlers and girls are not gruesome but the smell of unchanged diapers is.

btw Trump wants a new important military space force that is - -seperate but equal. Damn the treaties full speed ahead.

purging many Democrats from voter registration is now legal in a decision by the Supream Court.

The Atlantic Magazine shows The Sessions path to end civil Rights

This is all worse than my worst nightmare

How did this happen? Good people like Joe Offer said it can't happen here and what the smart money says its not that bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 04:18 AM

An American 'Pastor' (from the 'Deep South', judging by his almost unintelligible accent) on radio last night was asked why Donny doesn't just make one phone-call and end it. His response was that he can't do that because "Our laaaahhs are aaawwdained by Gaaaahhd, he has no power to change what Gaaaahhd has aaawwdained".**

What a knob. The poor, maltreated little buggers don't stand a chance against that kind of wilful, shit-for-brains thinking.

** Disclaimer - that is the substance of what he said, accurate in its representation (and a pretty accurate representation of how he said it). I was driving and had no chance to write down his precise words and, this morning having slept six or seven hours, I don't remember his words exactly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 02:46 AM

"walls and cages jimmy, walls and cages!"
Desperate as that !!!!
The cages are filmed and now appearing daily on our TV screens
Now you are out-Trumping Mrs Trump and out-Bushing Mrs Dubya-Bush in attempting to defend this vicious and extremely dangerous world leader
Even Fox News, in a Freudian slip, described him as a "dictator" when they described he and Kim Jong-un as "THE TWO DICTATORS"
Can't go higher than that for a recommendation
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 12:47 AM

Trump says he "doesn't want America to become a migrant camp like Europe". Doesn't know much about the history of his own country, does he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 08:10 PM

To help keep this simple there are laws to prevent child abuse "no government employees may touch children" so the people in charge to care of the kids will not change diapers.
Volunteer older girl children are told to do this duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: meself
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 05:19 PM

Actually, the situation is not that complicated: children are being taken from their parents. One phone call from trump could stop it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 05:15 PM

The zero tolerence policy is new as of April 14 2018 and is the policy of Trump and Sessions.

As for Russian fake news and right wing fake news you are free to drink but it is toxic.

3 first ladies are against the new zero tolerence policy and have all submitted public letters.
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THE US Supream Court has ruled that it is legal to purge people from registered voter lists if they do not vote in a primary.

To me; This means if they don't investigate Republicans, they will get to vote but if you are a registered Democrat you are under suspicion.

This ruling should be enough to allow for a Trump Victory in 2020


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 05:05 PM

I don't see any point in staging virtuosity displays over this issue, which is what everybody in the world is doing, maybe a little bit in here, too.
Decisions and laws get made to solve problems which sometimes change over time. The essence of a working democracy is to perceive the changes and act accordingly. The United States has been lazy on many fronts for many years, and immigration and handling of 'illegal' residents is a major failure on all our parts.
"Harvest of Shame" a CBS Reports documentary aired 1959-1960 exposing the plight of immigrant farmworkers who were used as cheap labor.
The movie "El Norte" was a fictionalized story of the remains of a family fleeing violence in Guatemala and finding work and victimization in the United States. 1983 dear people.

By this time the responsibility is firmly on all Americans. Perps down there, perps up here, and users all round.

Trump did not create this mess, he will not fix this mess. Trump is not even a symptom. He's a pustule on the boil, if that.

It's a Pogo moment. Most of you should be old enough to know what that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: pdq
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 04:11 PM

...I did not write this but it is just the facts, ma'am:


In March of 1993, The United States Supreme Court issued a ruling in Flores vs Reno. (Yes, “That” Reno. Janet Reno, Bill Clinton’s first Attorney General who ordered that young Elian Gonzalez be torn from his parents arms while hiding in a Miami closet. You might remember the iconic photograph.)

The Court decided that minors could not be incarcerated with the adults accompanying them across the United States border illegally. The decision was the result of a long dispute in how to best care for these children while the adults were detained for criminal proceedings.

You see, when aliens cross the border illegally, they are incarcerated until their criminal case is decided. The understandable argument at the time was “why should children be incarcerated while their parents are in jail?” It seemed a fundamental violation of international human rights. Makes sense, right?

As a result, The Flores case drew a line in the sand. Children could not be incarcerated with their parents or accompanying adult while being held for illegal immigration violations. And a subsequent 1997 agreement stipulated that children must be placed in a safer environment where they could enjoy certain privileges, including education, a clean, safe environment and other normal life cycle amenities that incarcerated individuals do not enjoy.

It was considered a “victory” for human rights. By separating adult and child, we protected the children, reducing any harm done to them for their parent’s or accompanying adult’s decisions.

A lot has happened since then. However; bottom line, these juvenile, shelters have been operating in accordance with the law, and overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services to protect those children from the hazards of parental incarceration since 1997.

So, since Donald Trump was running his real estate empire, selling wine and casinos in 1993, we are left to determine just how he managed to orchestrate this cruel “separation of immigrant parent and child” 25 years BEFORE he was President of the United States. The obvious answer is, he didn’t. He had nothing to do with establishing this United States immigration policy. Today, he simply enforces it.

This one story illustrates how important it is for us to do our research regarding today’s headlines. The Corporate Media either refuses to do the research, is incapable of doing the research or has done the research and decided to lie to you about its findings. Either way, this would make the Corporate Media lazy, incompetent or just plain deceptive. Liars, if you will.

You decide. For, as NBC would say, “the more you know.“


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 03:36 PM

walls and cages jimmy, walls and cages!


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:38 PM

Syrian Rebels and Rumor Mill blog site - are you serious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give us a break
Not a rumor Iains - intevies with Dubya's wife, Mrs Trump and masses of proresters
What has Syria to do with what is happening in America
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:38 PM

Quinapeak polls show 23% are in favor of immigrant children being separated, held in detention and punished. They are not the left.


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:16 PM

I normally just look at Rumour Mill News purely for entertainment value but the linked article seems on the money to me. Especially the last sentence:Yes, separating children from their parents is cruel. What is cruelest of all is the way the left is using children as political pawns.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=101355


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 02:03 PM

"animals do not cage fellow creatures) behaviour is beyond belief, as is the behaviour of those who would defend it." Like the esteemed White Helmets for example. Always active in rebel areas, never with the legal government.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/syrian-rebel-group-parades-civilians-cages-deter-regime/story?id=34940990


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 12:22 PM

Sorry - wrong Mrs Bush
Forgot about the Dynasty
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 09:34 AM

Isn't it a bit pointless writing to Barbara Bush these days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 09:27 AM

FOR YOUR DELICTATION
Or perhaps you prefer the RIGHTIST TELEGRAPH as you ap[ear to believe the leftist Guardian is purveyor of "Fake News"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 09:23 AM

"Jimmy."
Back to attempting to talk down to - as desperate as that
We've discussed the causes of refugeeism - oil seems to be missing from your links
This in no way explains what is happening in the US at present
You think it's OK - go write to Mrs Trump and Barbara Bush
Trump's animal (perhaps the wrong word - animals do not cage fellow creatures) behaviour is beyond belief, as is the behaviour of those who would defend it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 09:09 AM

Perhaps a close study of the following links may explain the refugee crisis gripping many parts of the world. Some had best pray the chickens never come home to roost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change


https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_by_the_CIA


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 08:46 AM

When are you going to stop defending this scumbag with your "wahaboutism" Iains?

Put your head in the sand if you wish Jimmy. Illegal immigration is a major problem in Europe and will likely lead to the fall of Merkel.
That will put the EU in uncharted waters. Do you think those fences go up purely to waste taxpayers money or do you think perhaps there is a valid reason for their construction all over Europe.

Do you ever make any attempt to unravel the complexities of any given situation before you fire from the hip blinded to reality by your socialist bubble?

Whataboutism (also known as Whataboutery) is a form of defensive propaganda used by the loony left. Congratulations on widening your vocabulary, childish was getting a little overused, doncha think?

And an article from the Independant from 2016. Oh Look! Syrian children in cages. Where are your squeals about this shocking photograph. What about that then! 4 years ago and not even a pathetic little squeak off you. Care to explain yourself???????

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/brick-and-mortars-a7367831.html

Never mind about the real issue, let's continue to poke Trump in the eye. What sort of person does that make you.?


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Subject: RE: BS: Toddlers housed in kennel cages
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 08:18 AM

This "children in cages" obscenity appears to have hit the fan in a big way - film footage of protests in Texas. shots of the cages, Mrs Dubya comparing the conditions refugees are held as "not unlike those of American s imprisoned by the Japanese in WW1 - even Melania Trump commenting on Hummy's inhuman attitude to refugees - probably all "leftists"
When are you going to stop defending this scumbag with your "wahaboutism" Iains?


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