BS: Refugee Clampdown

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 09:29 AM

It's a bit telling when a right-wing ideologue can only find backup from the Washington Times, isn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 09:02 AM

That strategy is what Turkey did to the Armenians in 1915 and what the US has been doing to Mexicans for years (long before Trump).

I think Fintan O'Toole has got it right about the current American strategy:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 08:19 AM

I've just read that Algeria has been forcing refugees at gunpoint into lorries, then taking them far into the Sahara and abandoning them there with no food or water. (Temperature is around 48 degrees)
Pregnant women, children forced to walk until they drop. Many got completely lost and wandered in the wrong direction. Thirteen THOUSAND of them. Imagine their suffering... most died.

Words cannot express how I feel about this.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 08:13 AM

Their way of life is paid for my my taxes. And any whose sacrifices did safeguard my way of life would be well into their 90s by now

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 07:13 AM

"Ex-servicemen received a salary and receive a pension, for a job that they signed up for. The refugees have nothing. My sympathy and my charity is reserved for them."

Your way of life is built upon the sacrifice of the armed services.
Yes we pay them and give them a pension, but for the ordinary squaddie we do little to prepare him for civilian life, and next to nothing to combat the psychological damage suffered while serving in your name.

I find your attitude both extremely selfish and inhumane.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 06:10 AM

Good point Jim, yes we are a very, very rich nation, compared with most. Determined to make ourselves poorer, yes, but there is a long way to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 05:53 AM

If we are part of causing the problem then it is our responsibility to be part of its cure
That's that niggling little word 'if' again. A small word with a big meaning.

For many of these immigrants we are not part of the cause.
That doesn't prevent us providing humanitarian aid, whether we are a part of the cause or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 05:23 AM

I go along with one point in the letter
"it's about being ABLE to give these refugees some kind of decent life, not just an existence."
I totally disagree with the following point
"We are not a rich nation, by any means"
Compared to most of these people we are as rich as Croesus
It fails to mention - as have few here, the causes of refugeeism
If we are part of causing the problem then it is our responsibility to be part of its cure
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 05:17 AM

Ex-servicemen received a salary and receive a pension, for a job that they signed up for. The refugees have nothing. My sympathy and my charity is reserved for them. And no, camps like that are not required. If we do get them it will be because of political decisons.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 05:02 AM

This was taken from todays post to my facebook account by a friend and former workmate some people on here would call the post racist shame on them

"This is nothing to do with compassion - I am probably one of THE most compassionate people you could ever hope to meet. I wouldn't normally mention anything of what I've done to help others - but - rather than allow others to assume I am all self and no care. I'll give you an example from Cyprus - 1974.
For general information - my very best friends don't know this, in fact none of my family know this (except my husband). I was newly married (March 1974) - my husband had been whisked away to - I didn't even know where, the phone lines were down and we had no contact with anyone at home. We were posted there in May 1974 - not long before the war broke out. (Greek Cypriots - Turkish Cypriots) Makarios had been abducted and (at that time) thought to have been assassinated).
We had been taken away from our own army quarters and allocated a place in some of the officer's "batman's" quarters. We didn't know each other. I was the only army wife among RAF wives. However, we made the best of it and worked together. I volunteered in the refugee camp - had to walk the best part of two miles(downhill) to get there every day - stayed for at least six hours in the searing heat, helped make the meals for them, nursed mother-less-babies. Helped old and confused people who had lost all they possessed, played with the children, fed them, tried to comfort them by touch because they couldn't speak English and I couldn't speak their native tongue.
There were at least five days that I can actually recall, when I walked back those two miles home (UPHILL) in my bare feet, because I'd given my shoes away, to someone who had even less than me, arriving back with blisters - I did that EVERY day for about four weeks until all the women and children of British Forces Personnel were airlifted out for their own safety.
We had been married for less than five months. I left Cyprus on 15th August 1974 and I didn't see my husband again until 31st December 1974. I have spent most of my life giving and sharing what I have. I have given MORE than I have - to the point of bankruptcy. I am disgusted that our ex military personnel are living on the street. These ex soldiers deserve MUCH better than they are receiving and we are not going to be able to DO that unless we sort out the immigration.
THIS is COMMON sense.
I remember the stench of that refugee camp, the crying children, the mothers searching for their children, old women (in their seventies and eighties) trying to hold their empty, flat breasts to the mouths of the youngest of babies, who were literally starving when they arrived - having either lost their mothers or their mothers had yet to be found. It was hard work, but it was the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my life - and yes - had I the health, strength and stamina today, that I had then, I'd do it all again.
There is THE greatest possibility of these kinds of camps being required in the UK unless we get the immigration under control. There is absolutely and definitely MORE chance of that happening than returning to Glasgow Slums and Nazi-type gas chambers.
Please, please do not mistake my preferences for lack of compassion. I have BEEN there. I have DONE that. I have SEEN that. It's not about allowing this immigration to continue - it's about being ABLE to give these refugees some kind of decent life, not just an existence. We are not a rich nation, by any means, we owe more than we have.
Who's going to be the first person to sell their home to provide what is needed for ONE refugee? If you are willing to do that - and I mean give your very last penny - then feel free to tell me I don't know what compassion is. I have already done that. However, my next pennies will be given to our ex-servicemen, because those are the ones who need it."

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 05:01 AM

Nigel
There is plenty on refugees to discuss here, making it necessary to close this thread
So fat, your only input has been to imply that refugees are not what they seem to be
Why not either respond to what has been put up or put alternatives of your own up for discussion?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 04:34 AM

"And Jim suggests the thread should be closed because of it."
No
I suggest that it is not allowed to become an Islamophobic hate-rant
Nigel
THere is no need to close the thread if people stick to the subject
"This was the post that inserted Israel & the Jews into the conversation:"
It introduced neither - my link was about the arrelles between how Jews were treated and how today's refugees are being treated
Noy Jews and Israel - just human-beings , refugees
If people are happy to discuss refugees without making it a display of xenphobia, please do - if not - walk away
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 04:02 AM

This was the post that inserted Israel & the Jews into the conversation:
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:42 AM

"Society can only function if rules are adhered to. "
A NICE BLAST FROM THE PAST IAINS
Jim Carroll

And Jim suggests the thread should be closed because of it.

For once, I agree with Jim. The thread should be closed

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 03:51 AM

Is it my imagination but, could the introduction and taking up of "Israel" on this thread possibly be a deliberate ploy to preventing us from discussing refugees by getting us closed down
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 03:13 AM

"Who do you consider to be Iains 2 mates can you name them and justify your reasons ?"
Sorry - I don't intend to make this a personal slanging match - my comment was a flippant response to Iain's inevitable insulting behaviour
He has now mnaged to drag an old Islamophobic Troll from under his bridges and, with his help, is attempting to turn this into a "I hate all Muslims" thread
Ironically, the Troll is someone who claims to support a people who have undergone centuries - millennia even - of exactly the same hatred and persecution he would now inflict on another mass of humanity.
No taker, as far as I'm concerned - I hope nobody else gets involved in this filth
This is not about "Jihadists" - it is about ordinary, largely deprived and extremely poor people fleeing wars we have helped start

Iains was quite adamant when he said that he was not attempting to claim that "refugees = terrorists.

Date: 25 Jun 18 - 08:10 AM
"Refugee - terrorist. only in your midget brain jimmy.

Now he is busting a gut to prove that - guess what - yep, refugees=terrorists
His posting appear not to have acquired the benefit of consistency, let alone intelligence and compassion.

I started this thread - I would rather see it closed than have it turned into a platform for racist intolerance and hatred of the kind being pushed by scum like Tommy Robinson
There's enough sickness and hatred in this world, as far as I'm concerned

THIS IS THE TYPE OF ARGUMENT WE NEED TO ADDRESS
AND THIS
THIS TOO
AND OVER-VIEWS LIKE THIS

The refugee crisis, in my opinion, is the effect of big business protecting its interests and the mass poverty and insecurity this is creating
Garbage like Islamophobia (as displayed here) is diversionary crap
Please don't let its exponents make it their hate platform
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 05:47 PM

Further to your post, robomatic, here are some inconvenient facts that are conveniently ignored by those who selectively censure Israel for the refugees created by a war that was waged against it:


Over the years, almost 5,000 Arab landowners have sued for the land owned by them. Settlements have been awarded in one of three methods:

Return of the land itself, if possible; granting of a deed of ownership to an equivalent parcel of land, as determined by an objective property assessor and agreeable to the plaintiff, or monetary compensation, again according to a determination by an objective property assessor and accepted by the plaintiff.

This is on the public record, and has been for decades.

Since the Arabs of Palestine in 1948 legally owned a grand total of 8% of the Mandate land area, including in the West Bank and Gaza, it’s safe to assume that there aren’t many more legitimate claims that can be supported by the land registry records from the British Mandate.

The vast majority of land in the mandate was state land, which could not be bought, only leased, and the tenant had no claim of ownership on such land.

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At the Lausanne conference held in 1949, in the immediate aftermath of the 1947-1949 war that led to the creation of the refugee problem, Israel offered to take back 100,000 refugees, and pay the ones who were not allowed back for their abandoned properties- in exchange for a complete and final resolution of the conflict.

As has been their modus operandi from the beginning of the conflict the Arabs said no to this offer.

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Under Israeli law any Arab who can show that they owned private property that was lost in any of the wars with Israel gets it back or fair market compensation.

Israeli courts tend to be pretty supportive and quite a bit of land has been returned or paid for this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 05:02 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism

I prefer not to use wiki, but I find nothing in the link I totally reject

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 04:52 PM

Jimmy you spend so much time up your own arse you have nothing left but shit between your ears.What a pathetic little creature you are, to label anyone a racist for pointing out inescapable facts.
Now as I was sayingto the dead parrote

We have a multitude of problems coming together in Europe.

We have returning jihadists from places such as Iraq, Syria, and Libya. We have some trying to persuade us they are nationals of such countries as France, Belgium and the UK because they happen to possess the requisite passports.
It is beyond dispute that the vast majority of fatalities result from terrorist activity carried out by demented jihadists.
It is a fact that the security within the Schengen zone has been modified as a result of ongoing terrorist activity and free movement no longer automatic.
It is a fact that the level of terrorist activity dictates that migrants are subjected to a more thorough screening process


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09546559608427356

The literal use of the phrase "Islamic terrorism" is disputed. Such use in Western political speech has variously been called "counter-productive", "highly politicized, intellectually contestable" and "damaging to community relations".

However, others have referred to the refusal to use the term as an act of "self-deception", "full-blown censorship" and "intellectual dishonesty

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 04:17 PM

In my view its the third paragraph of Iains's post of 25 June 18 - 01:38 PM. If that had been said about adherents to a different middle eastern religion, there would have been outrage.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 03:40 PM

Interesting Jim that you count the descendants of displaced Arabs from the results of several wars that Israel did not start as 'refugees'.

They are descended from refugees of battles and wars who were refused resettlement into the nations which started the very wars that led to the refugees!

But you ignore the displaced Jews from north Africa, Arabia, and Europe who found homes in Israel. An equivalent number to the displaced Arabs.

Acknowledging a 'right of return' on the part of your definition of 'Palestinians' would lead to the end of Israel and the displacement of millions of its citizens who are multi-ethnic, democratic, and quite liberal. You totally ignore this in your posts, because you want your partisan position to be 'assumed' as base facts. Quel Trump!

You have established a thread which is dishonest by your own self-righteous riding of your hobby horse.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 03:23 PM

Jim 2 points
! Who do you consider to be Iains 2 mates can you name them and justify your reasons ?

2 Your comment "This is straightforward ranting racism" can you justify that comment

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 02:54 PM

Nowhere does your Europol report mention refugees being in any way linked to these attacks - if they had been it would have been an issue since all these countries have a refugee population

It's utterly fascination how you have been drawn out of your closet on this one
You started off with "no room" and how they effect the economy - now you've moved on to THE FULL TOMMY

Even your mates seem to have deserted you - too near the knuckle for even them - a little like GOOD OL' BOY ENOCH when his buddies kicked him into touch
This is straightforward ranting racism
Unbelievable!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 02:34 PM

With the number od wannabe independance movements in the United States of Europe it is hardly surprising other terrorist movements exist and the rampage of a lone wolk can never be eradicated.

HOWEVER:
In 2016, a total of 142 failed, foiled and completed attacks were reported by eight EU Member States. More than half (76) of them were reported by the United Kingdom. France reported 23 attacks, Italy 17, Spain 10, Greece 6, Germany 5, Belgium 4 and the Netherlands 1 attack. 142 victims died in terrorist attacks, and 379 were injured in the EU. Although there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks. Explosives were used in 40% of the attacks and women and young adults, and even children, are playing increasingly operational roles in committing terrorist activities independently in the EU. Most arrests were related to jihadist terrorism, for which the number rose for the third consecutive year. Also, the European Counter Terrorism Centre at Europol supported 127 counter terrorism investigations in 2016, which shows a clear indication of the growing range of jihadist activity.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 02:28 PM

"I see we now have 2 fools cluttering up an important thread."
I make it three -the other two appear to have retired injured.
You said you were not accusing refugees of being terrorists
"Refugee - terrorist. only in your midget brain jimmy."
Now you have made it a crusade to prove they are
Make up your mind - shouldn't take too long
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 02:28 PM

Anders Breivik???

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 02:18 PM

"Every single one carried out by Islamic terrorists affiliated to an alphabet soup of affiliations."

Thomas Mair an Islamic Terrorist? Darren Osborne?

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 01:38 PM

And I will not take lectures from a defender of Tommy Robinson on the "British way of life". Because his way of life is not mine.

I see we now have 2 fools cluttering up an important thread.

You are being somewhat disingenuous by trying to muddy the waters by pretending they were nationals and not middle eastern in origin. Why try to hide the fact they were all suicidal maniacs masquerading as Islamic fundamentalists? Does the truth about then offend your libtard huggy huggy sensibilities? Or do expect us to share your tunnel vision of who these people are? There have been 65 terrorist attacks in Europe since 2014 resulting in 351 deaths. Every single one carried out by Islamic terrorists affiliated to an alphabet soup of affiliations.
I really could not care less what passport they claim to have. I would much prefer to see them in body bags.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 12:15 PM

Tourism poses a far greater threat of terrorism that do refugees
maybe we should stat interning them!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 11:58 AM

Wikipedia is not absolutely the most reliable of sources, although I would take it over the Telegraph any day. And it says about the perpetrators of the Paris attacks:

"Fabien Clain released an audio recording the day before the attacks in which he personally claimed responsibility for the attacks. Clain is known to intelligence services as a veteran jihadist belonging to ISIL, and of French nationality."

and:

"Most of the Paris attackers were French and Belgian citizens who crossed borders without difficulty, albeit registered as terrorism suspects. Two other attackers were Iraqi. According to the French prime minister, Manuel Valls, several of the perpetrators had exploited Europe's immigration crisis to enter the continent undetected. At least some, including the alleged leader Abdelhamid Abaaoud, had visited Syria and returned radicalised. Jean-Charles Brisard, a French expert on terrorism, called this a change of paradigm, in that returning European citizens were themselves the attackers."

So the majority were domestic terrorists who had traveled overseas. If they had used the same methods as immigrants to re-enter France, they were not immigrants themselves and it as much the crackdown on immigration as anything else which allowed them to reenter undetected.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 10:35 AM

NOTHING
NEW
UNDER
THE SUN

You are one of a long line Iains
I assume you are speaking for just your trio of right-wing extremistrs when you say "treated like a fool"
It would worry me if you and your two friends considered me otherwise

Try answering the points instead of saying one thing and then contradicting yourself in the next posting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 10:26 AM

Which just highlights the fact that the only effective defence against terrorism is intelligence. And indeed that intelligence should target potential terrorists from a variety of backgrounds. Not just ones who wear what you deem to be ridiculous clothing.

And I will not take lectures from a defender of Tommy Robinson on the "British way of life". Because his way of life is not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 09:50 AM

Jim when you take heed and understand the counter arguments presented, and respond in a measured fashion, then you will have a sensible dialogue. If you act like a fool, it is little wonder that you will be treated as a fool. How many times does a fact have to be presented to you before you finally take heed.

The vast majority are home grown. Yes we know that we can read as well.
This merely demonstrates the danger of allowing immigrants into the uk that form ghettos, wander about in ridiculous clothing, and make no attempt to integrate. If they are not prepared to follow the British way of life, why are they here? Do they seriously expect us to bend to their ways?. We need to exert far tighter control over Islamic schools in the UK

In all of the Middle East it is expected that foreigners maintain a low profile and do nothing to attract controversy. Perhaps we should insist on the same!

What sort of facile argument is it to draw attention to home grown terrorists while ignoring others slipping past our border controls.
A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Are the ones wearing union jacks somehow more important? or are you merely highlighting the fact they refuse to assimilate or integrate? Both sorts need exterminating.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 09:36 AM

The majority of the Isil extremists who carried out the November 13 2015 Paris attacks entered Europe while posing as migrants.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/majority-of-paris-attackers-used-migration-routes-to-enter-europ/
Previous attacks here have been homegrown but the threat from such people is real and recognised.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 09:26 AM

"The words refugee & migrant are not interchangeable."
You have has my answer Nigel
The fact that you won't respond toit, no
r to anything else I've put up, puts you in the same league as your two mates
I wish I could say I wasn't disappointed
More "refugees = terrorists" that you've just denied saying Iains
As you say
"Stupid boy!"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 09:16 AM

Or migrants for that matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 09:15 AM

Recent terrorist incidents in the UK:

7/7 bombings - 3 of the 4 attackers were British born and lived in Leeds, the fourth was a Jamaican immigrant. All were British citizens

2007 letter bombs - Miles Cooper was from Cambridge

2013 anti Islam campaign - he was Ukranian, and in the country legally

Lee Rigby killing - one attacker was born in Lambeth to a Christian family, the other was anglo-Nigerian (probably a dial national)

2014 parcel bombs - an offshoot of the IRA, perpetrators unidentified

Murder of Jo Cox - he was from Scotland

2017 Westminster attack - attacker was a convert to Islam born and raised in Kent.

Manchester Arena bombing - attacker was born in Manchester, though his father had indeed been a refugee. He wasn't.

London Bridge attack - one attacker was British and grew up in Britain, one was Italian, and Redouane is about the only person in this list who fits your profile, he was a failed asylum seeker.

Finsbury Park attack - he was from Cardiff


Very, very few of these perpetrators, probably only Redouane, are refugees or asylum seekers of any kind. The vast majority are home grown.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 08:31 AM

Stupid boy!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/28/islamic-state-fighters-infiltrate-europe-posing-injured-libyan-soldiers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/26/isis-trying-to-foment-a-wave-of-migration-to-europe-says-un-official


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/europe-border-frontex-warns-isis-weaponising-refugees-terrorism-radicalisation-a

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 08:18 AM

Jim,
I'm bashing my head against a brick wall here, but I'll try once more.

and of course we all know that Isis has threatened to use migrant corridors to infiltrate Europe does not equate refugees with terrorists.
The words refugee & migrant are not interchangeable.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 08:10 AM

"Refugee - terrorist. only in your midget brain jimmy."
"and of course we all know that Isis has threatened to use migrant corridors to infiltrate Europe."
I think you posted too quickly, don't you?
Straight out of Tommy Robinson's agenda
Some mothers do 'ave 'em, don't they?
Checkmate, I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:49 AM

Refugee - terrorist. only in your midget brain jimmy.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:47 AM

and of course we all know that Isis has threatened to use migrant corridors to infiltrate Europe. Just as well we are retaining control of our borders. Even the Schengen area is slowly unraveling because of the terrorist threat.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:46 AM

So now we have it refugees = terrorism
Why didn't you say that in the first place?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:27 AM

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-europe-left-itself-open-to-terrorism/

http://www.newsweek.com/eu-referendum-brexit-immigration-border-control-510740

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:24 AM

Iains, amazingly, has found a way to make brexit a bigger farce than it already is!!

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 07:20 AM

"I wondered when little jimmy would drag up the jews. "
Will you stop this childish abusive behaviour
If anything closes this thread it will be your inability to control your insulting insecurity
The parallels are obvious - refugees in trouble being refused sanctuary
If you can't argue against the similarities then you have no alternative but to accept them
You have no case - you never have had unless you start to come up with half-decent, well thought out argument, you never will have

Try this thoughtful New York Times article (can't blue-clickie)
NEW YORK TIMES

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:50 AM

And of course if we pursue the blinky pinky, luvvy duvvy, hug a tree or leftard world of jimmy we have the following.


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontlin


I wondered when little jimmy would drag up the jews. He must feel he is losing the argument. Again.
Red warning!!!! Thread closure imminent.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:49 AM

Jim,
It comforts you that Britain is free from all sin - including profiting from death by selling weapons to mass murderers

I comforts me to know that our restrictions on arms sales are the tightest in the world.

The war in Syria started with the Arab Spring. West not to blame.
It escalated into a civil war. West not to blame.
Assad almost lost. West not to blame.
Assad saved by arms supplied by Russia, China and Iran. West not to blame.
It became part of the centuries old Sunni/Shia conflict. West not to blame.

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:42 AM

"Society can only function if rules are adhered to. "
A NICE BLAST FROM THE PAST IAINS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Iains
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:40 AM

Que????????

Subject: RE: BS: Refugee Clampdown
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 06:14 AM

"It comforts you to imagine that Britain is to blame for all the world's problems."
It comforts you that Britain is free from all sin - including profiting from death by selling weapons to mass murderers

" I said they were entering Finland."
So?
What difference does it matter where they are entering - cast aspersions on one lot and you splash everybody with your accusations
Come- o Nigel stop wriggling
Say what you have to say about the plight of refugees - are we guilty otr not guilty of what they are having to put up witth?
" what is the connection between women committing crimes and receiving jail sentences"
It's handy in associating refugees with criminality Sen
Jim Carroll