BS: Guess who used Russia

Subject: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 06:52 PM

RECEIVED
Jul. 13 2018

"On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators posing as Guccifer 2.0, received documents from a candidate for the US Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidates opponent."


guess who


Guccifer 2.0 participated in 5 Florida races. Intrusions in House races in states include Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Illinois, New Mexico and North Carolina.

Russia is a serious country and the Americans who sought thier election help went beyond being Trump supporters and became Russian collaborators. It is criminal but not treason.

Finally Mueller is releasing indictments in a masterful reality show manner. He knows everything and warned America to take off their partisan hats. We are close to the showdown.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 08:32 PM

Bill Browder, Putin's number one foreign enemy, gives Trump some sage advice on his scheduled meeting with Putin.

Excerpt:

Putin has a weak hand and is always bluffing. Just by meeting him, you’re giving him a huge gift. The President of the United States is the most important and powerful person in the free world; in contrast, the President of Russia is practically nobody. The Russian economy is roughly equivalent to the state of New York’s. The Russian military budget is 90% less than that of the United States, on par with the U.K. or France. All of Putin’s geopolitical theatrics are him showing his weakness. At best, he’s got a pair of twos. The United States has a full house.

Putin is a bald-faced liar. You can’t believe a word Putin tells you. His track record of lying is legendary and well-documented. He lied about the “little green men” invading Crimea; he lied about Russia taking away Syria’s chemical weapons; he lied about who shot down MH17; he lied about Russian doping at the Sochi Olympics; he lied about the recent poisoning of the Skripals in the United Kingdom; and he lied about Russian involvement in the recent U.S., U.K., French, German, and Italian elections. Whatever he tells you, it’s not true.

Putin doesn’t negotiate. Whatever you offer will simply become the beginning point of your next negotiation. Don’t be offended when he does this to you. He does it to everybody. In 2001, President George W. Bush famously looked Putin in the eye and saw his soul. Last year, I had lunch with President Bush and asked him about it. In short, he said that each of their dozens of following meetings and conversations were disastrous. In 2009, President Barack Obama tried to clean up the situation by offering Russia a “reset.” All that did was embolden Putin further. He knew that he could operate with impunity and that the United States wouldn’t do a thing. Putin views compromise and engagement as weakness. Any offer of these will lead to him doing more malicious and awful things around the world.

Putin has the temperament of a cold-blooded killer. Most civilized people can’t imagine what he is capable of. He’s not like any leader of a sovereign state, but more like drug lord Pablo Escobar—but with nukes. In one afternoon, Putin likely goes from discussing tax policy with his economic advisers to planning targeted assassinations of dissidents and business competitors with his secret police.

Putin values money far more than human life. I’ve discovered that the only way to touch Putin is by going after his money and the money of his cronies. I figured this out with Magnitsky sanctions. These have been enacted by the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and the Baltic states. Since Putin and his officials kill people and steal money in Russia, and then keep that money in the West, Magnitsky sanctions put at risk his entire mafia-like operation.

Mr. President, the only way to deal with a person like Vladimir Putin is to contain him, not to engage him. He will lie to you, flatter you, trick you and betray you. The only message to you can give him in Helsinki on July 16 is that America is a proud and strong country which can and will stop him.

TIME

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: meself
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 08:39 PM

If it was anyone but trump ..............

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Acorn4
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:44 AM

But hasn't the US been consistently interfering in elections in other countries since 1945.

Just asking?

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russian HACKING
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:53 AM

My guess is Devin Nunes

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: meself
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:23 PM

Acorn4: Thing is, we're not really looking at it as a moral/ethical issue; it's more elemental. If you're a thief, that doesn't mean you welcome other thieves to break into your house. When we look at trump, it's a matter of, Whose side is he on - ours or theirs? Some of his supporters make no bones about being on the side of trump and Russia against "liberals/progressives/lefties/SJWs/Muslims/illegals", etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Acorn4
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 05:13 PM

It's just that sometimes I'm reminded of that bit in the Bible about the speck in someone's eye.

Putin's crimes, real or accused, are surely no worse than the thousand slaughtered in Iraq, Libya in an illegal war?

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 07:05 PM

Countless more were killed at the hands of the homicidal leaders of Iraq and Libya than by an any "illegal war" but, hey, who's counting.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:19 PM

meself, That's so true its like hearing Lewis Black material.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 10:35 AM

[Kodachrome] P Simon

{Democracy}


When I think back on all the
stuff that Trump has tweeted
Its a wonder Trumpists think at all
And though my lack of lies absorbed
hasn't hurt me none
I can read the Russian on the walls

Donald Trum um ump
He gives those mean dumb insults
He gives us the screams of children
Makes you think all the world
is a fuc dup day oh yeah
I got a sad recording
I got millions of voters
so Congress don't take, Democracy away

When I think back on Presidents that I remember
They all knew that justice has its laws
Donald only knows of nasty school yard fights
Now he looks worse than the third Reich

Donald Trum um ump
He gives those mean dumb insults
He gives us the screams of children
Makes you think all the world
is a fucked up day oh yeah
I got a sad recording
I got millions of voters
so Congress don't take Democracy away

(fades)
Trump destroys democracies
listen now i beg you please
Donald takes democracy away

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 04:21 PM

Recent Mueller indictments suggest Congressional candidates used Russian data against opponents but makes no mention of how many won.
I would guess Trump's most staunch supporters are the possible colluders who hang together lest they hang separately.

Trump recants saying he favored Putin over US intelligence by saying he LEFT OUT ONE WORD

example - Putin is the biggest head of the World
instead of Putin is the biggest DICK head of the World.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 03:14 AM

Putin ain't no dickhead. He may be of a military mindset. But in a chess game of world politics he is head and shoulders above the actual dickhead in this comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: John P
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:59 PM

"But hasn't the US been consistently interfering in elections in other countries since 1945."

Acorn4, yes that was wrong as well. That doesn't change the fact that anyone who is still a Republican is a bigoted, crooked, anti-Christian traitor.

Many of us have been speaking out against the actions of the United States government all of our lives. The difference now is that they're not even pretending to be honest anymore. Everyone now knows about it, there is lots of proof, and the Republicans still follow their evil leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 03:15 PM

The leader of the free world is no longer even remotely concerned with basic freedoms. Trump is all about being a bullying strong men and keep money for himself.


Historic US regime changes pales in comparison to the jeopardy your life is in by a nationalist egotistical idiot in the WH. This does not excuse a sinister history.

Subject: RE: BS: Guess who used Russia
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 10:23 PM

Now the NRA is caught using Russian agents and vice versa.