Brexit #2

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 04:38 AM

As much as I don't want there to be any more referendums, I feel that one that doesn't have a remain option would be a bit pointless. One other thing. We haven't got a lot of time to set one up and get this people's vote done and dusted before March, have we? It isn't as if we're all going to agree within the next few days to have one...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 05:16 AM

the loony left agenda:

Labour to back second Brexit vote if MPs reject PM's deal, no election called
Delegates to vote on making second referendum an 'option' on Tuesday
John McDonnell suggests second vote would not include option to stay in EU
McDonnell: Any second referendum 'should be a vote on the deal itself'
Shadow chancellor to announce plan for multi-billion raid on companies
Jeremy Corbyn says he will be "bound" by conference vote

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 06:30 AM

LOONY LEFT TORIES

OVERWHELMING LOONY LEFT BRITS

LOONY LEFT ECONOMISTS

LOONY LEFT BREXIT U-TURNERS

EVEN LOONY LEFT LOONYS

It seems some parties are in touch with what Britons want, some aren’t
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 06:55 AM

Brexit rules ok!
the valiant Tories are in touch with what the people want, the remainiacs are a simply outgunned, outclassed remainiac minority, as worthless as the fleas on a dogs back.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 07:38 AM

"Brits Overwhelmingly Favor A Second Brexit Referendum, New Poll Shows"

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 10:19 AM

What new poll Jim?
26th January perhaps!?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 12:59 PM

YOUR VERY OWN RIGHT-WING UGOV POLSTERS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 01:06 PM

THE TORY SCOTTISH HERALD

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 02:28 PM

Latest government 'no-deal' papers confirm the possibility of flights being grounded unless airlines sort it out themselves.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 03:14 PM

There is an interesting article in the Guardian today, it seems like a last ditch attempt by Johnson, Gove, Davis and former Labour MP Gisela Stewart to try and propose yet another unworkable "solution" to the Brexit debate.

Could someone kindly link to "Hard Brexiteers new Plan get A for idiocy"

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 03:17 PM

THERE y'GO

Jim

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 03:21 PM

Thanks Jim, wouldn't like this gem to slip under the radar!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 03:37 PM

I though that Gisela Stuart had stood down as an MP and returned to her native Germany, having connived with the far right to screw up the UK. Maybe they didn't let her back in.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 07:51 AM

Copy 'n' paste from the "conferences" thread:


Subject: RE: BS: UK party conferences
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 07:45 AM

Gotta be firm here. I'm going to try the following:

1. Ignore everything posted by Iains and Keith.

2. If possible, post something relevant to the thread after they've posted but without referring to any points they make.

3. Do not refer to them by name.

4. Don't make points that may appear to be responses to something they've said.

In short, cut them dead. Completely. They get what they want not by making constructive arguments but by provoking. As soon as we respond they win. They're both sick in the head. So let's try harder, eh?

Starting... NOW! :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 08:15 AM

Steve, both the named posters actually post sensible things on non-political threads, they have some credibility and knowledge on geology and physics respectively.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 09:36 AM

Potential game-changer at the Labour conference as Keir Starmer declared (off his script, apparently) that remain is still an option. It went down famously. Of course, 35% of Labour voters who took part in the referendum voted leave, so he has a job on. Bit of a dark horse, is Keir...

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 10:12 AM

Well, I have mentioned the political ramifications of remaining before and, sad as that is, I cannot see a way of doing it without opening the floodgates for right wing nutters to gain some support.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 11:43 AM

With regard to future trade deals (and with tongue firmly in cheek) it is reported in the Guardian today that the New Zealand government has ordered the destruction on 170 boxes of British made Weetabix!

A sign of things to come perhaps?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 11:46 AM

Wonder which came first, tbe NZ Weet-bix or the great British Weetabix... :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:54 AM

Well, we now appear to have a Minister for Food Shortages! I don't remember seeing, "We'll try to make sure you get a turnip to feed your kids" on the side of that friggin' bus!

It's all going really well, innit?

Any good news about Brex-Shit?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 07:13 AM

Wonder which came first, tbe NZ Weet-bix or the great British Weetabix... :-)
According to 'Wiki': Here Weet-Bix came first.
There is enough detail there to make it reasonable to accept it as likely to be accurate.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:21 AM

The Northern Ireland authorities have just announced that if Britain crashes out of Europe they will be unable to guaranty electricity supply throughout the province
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 09:29 AM

What Jim didn't mention was that this information (electricty shortages in Northern Ireland) has come from the Goverments own reports.

There is an article in todays Guardian "No deal Brexit could result in Northern Ireland Blackout"

Could someone please link.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:01 AM

No-deal Brexit could result in Northern Ireland blackouts

There you go.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:07 AM

Thank you Dave.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:09 AM

Thanks both
I just caught it on the news
Jim
(I'm running a night-school class on how to blue clicky in our local bar if you fancy a Guinness some night Rag!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 10:42 AM

Not those ludicrous scare stories again!
From your article,
"Senior energy industry figures have told the Guardian that Northern Ireland is not sustainable as an energy market on its own, because of its relatively small size.
However, they believe that in the event of a no-deal Brexit and the SEM collapsing, a way would be found to keep electricity supplies running cross-border."

Why would the link to Scotand have to close?
The link to RI flows both ways, mostly out of NI.
RI relies heavily on that link and one to UK mainland. They are the ones at risk.

"Previous government leaks have suggested that a flotilla of electricity generators on barges could be sent to Northern Ireland if the UK crashed out of the EU."

All bollocks. If true why not put them on lorries and drive them to suitable locations?

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 11:08 AM

FIGGIN' IRISH CAUSING TROUBLE AGAIN - SEND FOR SUPERKEITH
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 12:44 PM

PROBABLY WASTING MY TIME
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 12:56 PM

Sorry - wrong thread

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 01:54 PM

"Not those ludicrous scare stories again!"

Fraid so. On two threads now.
Northern Ireland is a net exporter of leccy to the republic and there is a second interconnector to Dublin. Also the republics natural gas sources are depleting rapidly, Whereas we have just discovered a biggy!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 02:58 PM

An article from the express several months ago says the same thing.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/987992/Brexit-news-Northern-Ireland-power-cut-energy-eu-uk

The abbaccus school of maths strikes again! The hack responsible was probably holding the graphs upside down

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 03:33 PM

"An article from the express several months ago says the same thing."
Severl months ago being the operative phrase
These claims have bor been revived by the British authorities
Yours is old news

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 03:38 PM

Thanks Jim I know how to do them but working on a tiny android with my fingers is hard enough, doing clickies well .........

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 03:46 PM

Amazing. "Government documents shared widely across Whitehall and seen by the Guardian" are now just scare stories.

Obviously no truth in government documents then.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 03:53 PM

The stories are simply stories. 5 minutes research displays their inaccuracy. Much of Ireland's energy is trans shipped over UK borders.
It is the republic exposed with no security. The interconnecter being no longer connected between north and south or from Dublin to the UL leaves the republic exposed. Like a lot of hard brexit realities, the republic will be the one picking up an increased tab and not merely on energy.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Sep 18 - 08:05 PM

It seems that facts are only facts when they are blogged by Guido!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 01:50 AM

According to the BBC version of the 'blackout' issue:


It is understood that a formal "no deal notice" on the SEM will be published in the next few weeks.


So we will soon see if that paper is issued, and if so what it says.

But if it does say there is a risk of blackouts, I hope we all agree that it will not do so lightly, and that it will be based on more than a five minute investigation.

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:04 AM

Don't call him Guido, he is "The Disgraced Former Bankrupt Paul Staines".

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:26 AM

Don't forget the 4 alcohol related criminal convictions, including 2 for drunk driving, and the fact that he was given an 18-month supervision order and had to wear an electronic tag for three months. Little wonder he is a pin up boy for the morally bankrupt :-)

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 03:31 AM

Another gem from Guido:

https://order-order.com/2018/09/27/labour-run-money/



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7361020/jeremy-corbyn-michel-barnier-brussels-brexit/
Labour giving another fine demo of their cavalier approach to money.

And you would elect them to handle yours???????

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 04:20 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_power_cable

I would suggest if the issue of electricity transmission across borders is not resolved then everyone will have a severe bill hike.
The republic is on the end of the supply chain and therefore most exposed.

Some of the projects listed are operational, some near completion, others proposed. Without these power lines, everyone will have a deficit of generation capacity, EVERONE!
The news articles are poorly researched scare stories.


Do you really think attacking guido destroys the accuracy of his material?

A thought for   the day for some of those above:
John 8:7,

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 05:24 AM

Now for some double standards from out champion of Law and order
Jim Carroll

Daily Teleraph
Guido Fawkes: the colourful life of the man who brought down Damian McBride
Gordon Rayner unravels the controversial and sometimes criminal past of Paul Staines, aka Guido Fawkes, the blogger who strikes fear into Westminster
Paul Staines is a political blogger.
Mr Staines went to great lengths to keep his identity anonymous when he set up his blog
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter 6:56PM BST 17 Apr 2009
As Damian McBride contemplates the wreckage of his career following his exposure over the Tory smears scandal, one name will buzz around his head like a wasp trapped in a bottle: that of his nemesis, Paul Staines. Better known by his nom de plume of Guido Fawkes, it was political blogger Mr Staines who obtained emails written by Mr McBride that proposed publishing online a series of slurs about the private lives of leading Conservatives.

Ironically, Mr McBride, the Prime Minister's former spokesman, had been keen to start a website apeing Mr Staines's acerbic, gossip-laden blog, which has become the country's most visited – and controversial – political blogsite since it was set up in 2004. His plan went hideously wrong when the emails, originally intended for Derek Draper, a Labour blogger, somehow fell into Mr Staines's possession, and instead of replicating the success of Guido Fawkes, Mr McBride was hoist by his own petard.

Mr Staines, the journalistic equivalent of an arsonist, has spent the week basking in the heat of the flames he kindled, posting a cartoon on his website which shows Mr Brown as his next intended scalp.

The stated aim of the Fawkes website is simple: to expose hypocrisy, corruption and impropriety in a parliament that he believes is rotten to the core.

Yet none of the politicians who preoccupy his waking hours boasts as colourful a background as Mr Staines himself. While rival bloggers are drawn mostly from journalists and the political class, Mr Staines, 42, is a convicted criminal, one-time national video-games champion, and former acid-house party organiser who turned to blogging after a turbulent spell as a hedge-fund manager ended with him declaring himself bankrupt.

He was described by a High Court judge as a man who "played fast and loose" with the truth during a particularly messy court case, and once wrote that he believed Tory politicians should follow his example and take drugs such as LSD and ecstasy, which he described as "staggeringly enjoyable".

Not a typical career path for a member of the commentariat, then. But who exactly is Paul Staines? What makes him so angry? And is his incendiary website funded, as some of his victims like to imply, by a shadowy millionaire intent on overthrowing the Government?

Iain Dale, the Conservative blogger and former parliamentary candidate who wrote a book with Mr Staines about Labour sleaze, described him to me as "essentially an anarcho-libertarian with a tremendous sense of mischief".

He said: "He doesn't have any political motivation, apart from thinking the political system is corrupt and politicians are corrupt."

Mr Staines certainly doesn't seem motivated by fame. He went to great lengths to keep his identity anonymous when he set up his blog, registering his website in the Caribbean tax haven of Nevis under a false name and address, and refusing to give interviews when his eye-catching postings started to attract more mainstream attention.

When he finally agreed to an appearance on Newsnight in 2007, it was on condition that he appear in shadow, using only his pseudonym – a strategy which backfired spectacularly when another guest, the Guardian's Michael White, referred to him by his name and blew his cover.

So personal fame may not be a big factor for Mr Staines, but it seems that power – particularly power over individuals – is everything to him. When he revealed the contents of the Damian McBride emails to newspapers last week and it became clear that it would be front-page news the next day, he became so excited that he began texting Mr McBride with slightly manic messages gloating about the political aide's impending demise.

In one bizarre text, quoting a line from the film Conan the Barbarian, he wrote: "What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

His wife Orla, a high-flying solicitor who works for a bank in the City of London, appears not to share his enthusiasm; he has admitted she was "livid" when she found out he was hawking the emails around Fleet Street for £20,000 (newspapers refused to pay him anything) and demanded to know: "Why are you doing this?"

When I asked Mr Staines yesterday what drove him on, he said: "It's anger. With politicians who are letting us down, journalists who let them get away with it, and a shabby opposition."

In truth, the Guido Fawkes blog picks up where a politically-active Mr Staines left off in the early 1990s when he went to make his fortune. Born in Ealing, west London, and educated at the Salvatorian College Catholic school in Harrow (where contemporaries included Tony McNulty, the minister caught up in the "second homes" scandal last month), Mr Staines was an outspoken member of the Federation of Conservative Students while at Humberside College of Higher Education in the 1980s, before he was "kicked out for smoking dope", in his own words.

His politics, however, could hardly be described as toeing the Party line. In an article published by the Libertarian Alliance in 1991, Mr Staines wrote enthusiastically of his experiences with LSD and ecstasy, saying: "I have fond memories of taking LSD and pure MDMA, trance-dancing and thinking that I had turned into a psychedelic, orgiastic wisp of smoke – it was the most staggeringly enjoyable, mind-warping experience I have ever had. The only word to describe it is WOW!"

He suggested that many Tories "would benefit from taking drugs, particularly Thatcherites", adding: "Couldn't we put acid in the punch at the Young Conservatives ball and then really have a party?"

As a father of two daughters aged four and two, he has since changed his views, admitting: "I don't want my daughters to do that kind of stuff."

He went on to work as a researcher for the Right-wing Committee for a Free Britain, editing a publication called British Briefing, which aimed to expose the activities of extreme Left-wingers, then as a spokesman for a group called the Sunrise collective, which organised acid-house parties.

After a brief spell as a professional blackjack player, his next stop was Tokyo, as chief investment officer for Mondial Global Investors, a Bahamas-based hedge fund, earning $1.4 million in commissions between 1997 and 2001. His time there was characterised by drugs, alcohol and fast living. One former friend recalled how he had told them he was ordered by a doctor to "give up drinking and sniffing" because of the effect on his health.

He was also something of an adrenalin junkie, travelling to Pamplona for the annual bull run, where in 2002 he was gored in the face (he still has a slight scar).

Later that year he picked up the first of four alcohol-related convictions, a 12-month driving ban for drink-driving (his most recent was in April last year, when he was again banned, this time for three years, as well as being given an 18-month supervision order and wearing an electronic tag for three months).

His somewhat chaotic private life has not stopped him building up a highly successful website, however, and he claims more readers – up to 200,000 per month – than political weeklies such as the New Statesman. Before the McBride affair, he did substantial damage to Peter Hain's campaign for the deputy leadership of the Labour Party by revealing details of MPs who were secretly supporting him, and he has been named in polls as one of the most influential people in British politics.

He has also, however, been criticised for the tone of some of the material which he has allowed to be published on his blog, such as a description of Harriet Harman as "a throwback to the unwashed 'ladies' of Greenham Common"; and a caption competition with a picture of Gordon Brown talking to black children which attracted entries such as "have you been CRB checked yet", and "welcome to Brown Britain" (the comments were later taken down).

Despite innuendo-laden questions about his funding that regularly appear on Left-wing websites, Mr Staines is entirely self-sufficient. When he set up his blog, he was a house-husband, having declared himself bankrupt in 2003 after he discontinued a court case against a former business partner, Martin Walsh, whom he claimed owed him £180,000.

Mr Staines was accused of lying to the court about the amount of money he had available to pay legal costs and during one High Court hearing in June 2003, Mr Justice Laddie accused him of "playing fast and loose" with the truth and "grossly misleading" the court.

He is certainly substantially better off today. Checks with the Land Registry have shown that his wife Orla owns at least two properties in London – a house in Clerkenwell and a flat in Wandsworth – while the couple are also understood to have another home in County Wexford and a holiday cottage in France.

As well as receiving around £15,000 a year from advertising on his blog, Mr Staines also has a financial interest in Eos Online Media Ltd, a firm which he set up in 2006 with his friend Alex Hilton, a Labour activist, and which sells online advertising on blogsites, including Guido Fawkes.

Mr Staines is reluctant to discuss the nature of his interest in Eos – doing so would, of course, make it easier for potential libel victims to pursue him – and would only admit to being an "adviser" to Global and General Nominees, the Nevis-registered firm which has a controlling interest in Eos, and which also holds the registration for the Guido Fawkes website.

Regardless of his rather unorthodox past, Mr Staines has proved himself a force to be reckoned with. Matthew Elliott, founder of the TaxPayers' Alliance and a friend of Mr Staines, said: "If the Conservatives get into power at the next election they will owe as much to Guido as anyone in Conservative Central Office. But once they are in power, they'd better expect to get just as rough a ride from him as their predecessors."

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 06:42 AM

POLITICAL CREDENTIALS "TORY LOONY FRINGE"
Guido Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 07:43 AM

The loony left are running scared from Guido's hard hitting journalistic accuracy!
Carry on Boys.
Make even bigger fools of yourselves.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/28/corbynistas-launch-boycott-of-deplorable-guardian/

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 08:08 AM

Point made I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:31 AM

Just read a brilliant comment about Laura Kuenssberg

doesn’t listen to responses and knit-picks on totally trivial issues. She is incapable of having an in depth and honest talk

Does she remind you of anyone on here?

:D

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:38 AM

No!

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:57 AM

Yes

Subject: RE: Brexit #2
From: Iains
Date: 28 Sep 18 - 09:58 AM

Ripping Labour a new one from the BBC Question time yesterday



ripping a new one

Note the audience applause!