BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules

Subject: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 02:41 PM

Once again Boris Johnson has shown his complete lack of regard for the rules that ex-government ministers are supposed to adhere to.

The man has no regard for democracy, no regard for decency and I would suggest no regard for the likes of people like us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45121976

This was a mere 3 days after he resigned from office!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:00 PM

Would this by any chance be the same Boris Johnson that the Telegraph is so rabidly supporting...???

... oddly enough the same paper that mudcat tories refer to,
when seeking articles dredging up false dirt on Boris's critics...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:00 PM

Yep. That's just another aspect of this incredibly shoddy episode. The awful thing is that it hasn't done him any harm. The opposite, in fact. He's taken a big leaf out of Trump's book: the more you misbehave, the more the plebs will love you. You can tell precisely who the plebs are on here. They're the ones stupid and gullible enough to defend him, either by saying that "he has a good point..." or by saying "well, Boris will be Boris, the old card..."

He has sown hatred in this country and he knows exactly what he's doing. Bastard.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:18 PM

That thread was closed, and my final 2 posts deleted....
So don't know if someone responded and got the thread closed
[I'd have enjoyed seeing what he/they posted]..
.. or if it was me to blame.....

Well, I thought they were fairly innocuous posts...???

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:26 PM

He and his cronies are spoilers, nothing more, nothing less. No-one should dignify them by responding to anything they post.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 03:28 PM

Let it go, pfr! It would never be you...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 04:51 PM

hmmmm.....

i don't really understand the surprise. look at all the ministers got jobs in the industry's they privatised,

surely these appointments must have been negotiated when they were in office.

is Boris any worse than these guys?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 05:32 PM

Plebeians were the body of free citizens who were not patricians. Patricians are lie likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg. Most of us commenting on here are plebeians. People who lap up the shite spewed out by the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Brigden etc., are ignorant muppets. Except for some of them, those who would also defend Tommy Robinson, who are racist scumbags. Not plebs, not ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:04 PM

I'm in favour of free speech. I'm in favour of letting Johnson say what he likes, short of hate speech. I love the fact that anyone can make an arse of themselves by saying what they like, short of hate speech. If you say you agree with Boris, or defend him by calling him a harmless duffer, you are a racist. And that's me exercising free speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:23 PM

Boris - such a liabilty even his ardent mudcat supporters don't want to keep threads open to talk about him...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:23 PM

"I'm in favour of free speech. "
Once someone is placed in a responsible position anything they say has to be Governed by the responsibility that has been entrusted them - they are duty-bound to act responsibly
Insulting entire communities is far from that
The Tories once adhered to that at one time - when Enoch Powell made not unsimilar attacks on the immigrant communities he was removed from office - he had become a liability
Things have apparently moved on
The present incumbent are over a bit of a barrel - the more liberal of the Tories want nothing to do with Johnson, the fundamentalist wing see him as some sort of a leader - a great position for a Brexit Party to be in especially with this new scandal
Can't wait to see what conclusions the enquirt into his conduct reachees
The Tory Part is heading for a split, with a new breakaway party in the offing
Makes it worthwhile opening the newspaper these mornings, doesn't it
JJim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 07:59 PM

Boris a complete bumhole.
What is there to talk about?

Lets talk about something nice!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 08:04 PM

Well.. that was then.. this is now.. and tomorrow belongs to Boris ...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 09:04 PM

Kudos, mod! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 01:59 AM

Boris on 'paedophile hysteria' 11 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 02:41 AM

When I was in 'Infants' school (1952-54) the staff were entirely female, the only male was the Janitor. When I was in 'Junior' school (1954-58), The Head Teacher and two other teachers were male, the rest (I forget the exact number, perhaps ten or so) were female.

At my boys-only Grammar School, the staff were all male, except for the school secretary and one lab assistant. The staff at the girls-only High School next door were all female.

'Twas ever thus. I think Bozo's ideas are deeply influenced by his own education in the other-worldly surroundings of private, boys-only boarding schools. He really doesn't have a great deal of experience of the kind of education the 99% go through, does he?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 03:07 AM

Hmmm... my post seems a bit out of context now, since the post I was mostly replying to has been deleted.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 03:32 AM

My first one from yesterday looks odd too, David - I appear to be talking about Johnson, but I was actually referring to the poster who got the original thread closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 03:57 AM

But the point about Boris Johnson's nonsense is that it devalues the true criminality of paedophilia by using it as a straw man.

If Britain (or any other country) wants more male teachers, by the way, there's a simple way to attract them: pay teachers properly and ensure good working conditions and job security, and the men will be elbowing the women out of the way to get those jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:05 AM

Is writing a column once a week "employment?"
He has stated that he will not use privileged information.
This was several days ago, and nothing has come of this story.
Are you not all just desperate to smear the man?

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Keith, give it a rest. Four other posts just like this were deleted. Look at it this way: IF YOU DON'T LIKE A THREAD YOU DON'T NEED TO OPEN IT. Stop trying to start a fight or get it closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:19 AM

The point is Big Al the ministerial rules laid down by the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments state that ex ministers should wait at least 3 months before taking up such a position as Johnson did. (He had been earning £23,000 a month or £276,000 per annum from the Telegraph)

Johnson, as all with all other ministers, would/should have known this yet he took the role 3 days after resigning.

That is why the story has relevance. You, I, Joe Soap or Fred Bloggs have to abide by the rules laid down by the state or suffer the consequences, is Johnson any different.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:30 AM

don't need to - Boris is perfectly adept at smearing himself...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:44 AM

If he needed permission he presumably already had it.
He was a regular columnist for the Telegraph before becoming a minister, and is just continuing that now that he's left his position.
As long as he doesn't use privileged information obtained as a minister I see no problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:49 AM

That is exactly the point Nigel, he did not have permission from the Advisory Committee which was stated in the link in my original post.

In street parlance he put two fingers up to the rules which govern all ex-ministerial appointments.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 05:36 AM

The sheer hypocrisy behind the repeated accusation that we're trying to smear Boris Johnson is made all the more laughable by the fact that the accuser has just started a desperate thread trying to smear Jeremy Corbyn via a pack of lies. Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 06:21 AM

I would ask:

If their neighbour was caught doing 120mph on the motorway would they go to court to defend him.

The answer of course would be an emphatical No, they would maintain that the neighbour had broken the law of the land and should be made the face the penalties laid down.

So, if they would not defend a neighbour who had broken the rules, why on earth do they do so when Johnson breaks the rules.

Simples really.

PS Steve, I have been told that this story about Johnson is old news because it goes back some days, the story about Corbyn goes back 4 years! Yet another example of the rank hypocrisy of some posters.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 06:23 AM

Boris a complete smeary bumhole.

Corbyn looks like he'd need directions to find his...

What a choice!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 06:36 AM

If Corbyn is as ruthless, unprincipled, corrupt, and incompetent a politican as Boris,
he's made a bloody good job of hiding it...

... and as flawed as he may be, at least Corbyn actually represents some positive alternative to the tories...

and is not just an interchangeable blairite tory-lite clone...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:09 AM

And he steadfastly maintains his dignity, unlike that dissembling mop-headed buffoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:13 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:49 AM
That is exactly the point Nigel, he did not have permission from the Advisory Committee which was stated in the link in my original post.
In street parlance he put two fingers up to the rules which govern all ex-ministerial appointments.

Actually, your link says (in the words of The Advisory Committee on Business Appointments ) that he should have asked their advice, not their permission.
The article also makes clear that Boris referred himself to the committee on 26 July, two weeks before the burka article was published.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:20 AM

Sorry, Nigel, but you're nitpicking in order to defend him. The piece that Raggytash linked to makes it clear that he breached the ministerial code. He broke the rules. Put two fingers up to protocol. Any advice he would have received, had he asked as he should have, would have been along the lines of telling him not to go ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:23 AM

You're aruging semantics yet again Nigel, advice/permission he didn't seek either which he should have done as all ex-ministers are obliged to do.

The debacle about Burkas in this instance is irrelevant, it is about him not following the correct procedures.

Basically putting up a two fingered salute to parliament and to the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:48 AM

to quote another bit of that opening link:
The committee advises ex-ministers on taking new jobs after they quit.
It does this based on rules aimed at avoiding the risk of a former minister "improperly exploiting privileged access to contacts in government" and the suspicion that a new job is "a reward for past favours".

Boris has already said he won't be exploiting information he received in his ministerial capacity. As for the new job being "a reward for past favours", he is just taking up where he left off when he became a minister, so hardly a new job, even if it did need a new contract.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:54 AM

So I take it Nigel you are in favour of ignoring rules if you choose to do so.

How far are you prepared to take this, speeding, drink driving, streaking, assault ......................

No of course you are not, but you are prepared to say "it's only Boris" ............ That is hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:09 AM

"The difference is that this story never made it as a story, while the other is serious, widely reported,"

..and just who exactly is it deciding which news stories are prioritised and made headlines...



This is basic school media studies level news making analysis...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:16 AM

Politically Boris everything I hate. But he has the common touch. Even all this shite about the burqua. People are saying to themselves - well that's only what I've said.

When you attack him you actually add to his street value.

The best take down of Boris, I've heard so far came from Norman Tebbit. When the tories have to be their own opposition, we really are in the shit.

Quite frankly, I'm pissed off with hearing what a decent bloke Corbyn is. I'd rather have a shit who looked capable of winning an election, taking it from the tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:27 AM

He came pretty close last time, against all odds, against all predictions and in the face of utter vilification by the Tories and their media lackeys. And there isn't a Labour shit fit to take over from him. There are plenty of non-qualifying Labour shits, of course. Name your candidate, Al.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:31 AM

I'm not entirely convinced about Corbyn, but I could probably say that about any Labour leader...
and we're not exactly spoiled for choice amongst the current crop...

But he has grown on me more over the last few years since he became high profile and leader...

My wife and other leftyish educated women she knows of her age group think he is bloody marvellous...

So some folks are very keen to elect him...

But is that enough, when the likes of Keith's mindset and prejudices run the media...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:35 AM

Incidentally, this is not a non-story. It came out when the letterbox/bank robber fiasco came out, but was overshadowed by the far more sensational burqagate. I had a vehement argument with my dad about it well over a week ago, and there was an exchange of views about it on Radio 4 as I was "zooming" up the M6 last week. As far as the mass media are concerned, Boris bashing Muslim women is far more delicious and mileage-filled than dull and rather arcane stuff about ministerial codes, etc. Perhaps Keith didn't notice.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 09:34 AM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 08:27 AM
He came pretty close last time, against all odds, against all predictions and in the face of utter vilification by the Tories and their media lackeys. And there isn't a Labour shit fit to take over from him. There are plenty of non-qualifying Labour shits, of course. Name your candidate, Al.

So Corbyn is the best of a bad bunch? That must really worry labour supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 09:41 AM

Nigel - life aint perfect... at least he may be the best of a bad bunch...

Them poor tories have to suffer the prospect of Boris.. the worst of a badder bunch...

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 10:59 AM

"at least he may be the best of a bad bunch..."
As most of "the bad bunch" in the Labour Party are those who most resemble the Tories - they called themselves 'New Labour'
Jim Car

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 04:41 PM

Yes my parents thought Michael Foot was pretty hot stuff.

You have to be bloody ingenious to square all the competing threads in the Labour Party. They are all so self righteous. So utterly convinced of their own moral probity and everyone who disagrees being total bastards, and moral stinkers.

As for the right wing media giving JC a hard time. What exactly did you expect? Which planet did you inhabit where everyone in Fleet Street was fair and open minded?

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 01:25 AM

Carry on discussing a non-story about a Tory, but no discussion allowed on the other story that has wall to wall coverage and has gone international!
The forum withers before our eyes while the mods openly side with the gang of nasties driving decent people away.

I am giving myself a break from all the abuse and personal attack that flourishes here now.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 04:36 AM

Don't rush back please.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 04:44 AM

We can live in hope Steve, we've been shown how to do it on the Brexit threads!

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 04:56 AM

I did notice it was timed so it would stay for as long as possible before the moderation team are up and able to anything about about the slur on them. Typical really.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 05:07 AM

Please don't fellers - closing this thread as well would be another feather
Claiming the denigrating of Musslim women by describing them as "leytter boxes" and "bank robbers" as a "non story" while flouncing off because he can't continue to smear probably one of the most principles British politicians around says everything that needs to be said
Please leave it there
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 05:18 AM

Anyway back to the subject.

Johnson was in clear breach of Parliamentarian procedures when he contracted after 3 days to write for the Telegraph without seeking the advice (there you go Nigel) of the relevant advisory committee.

This is in conjunction with his other, to my mind gross, errors of judgement. I wonder what, if any, sanctions he will face.

Subject: RE: BS: Johnson flagrant breach of the rules
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 18 - 05:30 AM

I think the alleged non-story was the bit about breaching ministerial rules, Jim, not burqagate...