Carole King rewrites history!

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 03:22 PM

I guess I'm getting my "ups" and "unders" confused!

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 03:09 PM

Under The Boardwalk? Don't you mean Up On The Roof?

Then there was the classic Will You (Still) Love Me Tomorrow.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 02:58 PM

Well, according to Neil they, Neil and Carole, were mates ( indeed, they dated for a while) and he was a sort of mentor to Carole in the early days ( Neil is three years older ).
Neil is a fabulous musician. Virtuoso level on the piano, and voice to die for.
BUT, he has upset so many people ( I think he lacks tact, for one thing) and famously Elton John dropped him as a friend.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: Johnny J
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 02:55 PM

Also composed one of the better Monkees hits "Pleasant Valley Sunday".

"Who were they?" Some of you Mudcatters might ask? :-)

A manufactured American band along the lines of the early Beatles.
"Who? I can vaguely recall one of their songs but it wasn't that memorable. ...."

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,DTM
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM

Just found this -
"No one tells a story of thwarted love like Neil Sedaka. Oh! Carol was about Carole King, his high-school girlfriend when they were growing up in Brooklyn".
*Taken from a 2014 article in the UK "Express"

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,DTM
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 02:45 PM

Neil mentioned Carole in his book, I'm sure of that (having read it many years ago). The song "Oh Carol" was written using what Neil & Howie Greenfield deemed as one of the most popular girl's name at the time. They thought this would be a good marketing ploy. I don't know what Carol thought of Neil then (or what she thinks now), but she was inspired to write a song (albeit a B-side) in answer to Neil's record. Whether it was a shared joke between them or just a cheap shot to mock him, I don't know.

"Oh Neil" - Carole King

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 01:54 PM

I know this is a folk music forum, but the general ignorance concerning popular music is amazing.
Again, if you don't know anything about pop/rock music and its history, why open your mouth and show your ignorance.
BTW, Jeri, Neil has written HIS book.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 01:47 PM

Sedaka wrote the song "Oh! Carol", and they dated in high school. It doesn't seem all that significant to me. Is who you dated back then a big deal to you? Maybe Neil Sedaka can put it in HIS book.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 01:42 PM

And, of course, it was Gerry who wrote the words in the early years. Indeed, I bet a lot of listeners think Carole wrote the lyrics to "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" because so many young women can identify with them.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 01:32 PM

I think she wrote Going Back as well, with Gerry Goffin, which would be more unforgivable if he had been written out of history as well.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: meself
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 01:01 PM

Still - when I opened the thread, I thought I was going to find out that she was denying the fall of the Roman Empire or something ... !

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:51 PM

Well, Neil was the second best selling pop/rock artist ( Evlis was number one) before the emergence of The Beatles.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:48 PM

There was something fairly important about Sedaka..

But right now I've completely forgotten what it was and can't be arsed googling...???

Sadly, I did have an encyclopedic memory up until my late 40s...

King is vastly important, but might have gone a bit wonky in her later years...???

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:46 PM

If Jack doesn't know anything about major names in the history of pop/rock music, why bother making a comment, at all.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:37 PM

Jack knows more than most do about folk music. He's obviously not big on pop, though. Not sure why the comments. Personally, I don't give a shit about Sedaka, don't know about any relationship, and maybe he doesn't mean all that much to her.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:17 PM

Everybody will know at least one of Carole King's compositions even if its only the novelty number "( Everybody's doing)The Locomotion" or " Take Good Care of My Baby" which has become a favourite for TV baby products.
   And, surely, "You've Got a Friend" is very well known. And, of course, if you are of a certain age, you will - possibly - know dozens of her songs.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:06 PM

or,
"Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" ...

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:04 PM

Jack, showing your musically ignorance is not advisable...or at all impressive.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 12:03 PM

Carole K wrote so many great melodies, Under the Boardwalk, Wasn't Born to Follow, You've Got a Friend to name just a few.
AFAIC Sedaka doesn't belong in the same conversation with her though Artur Rubenstein did compliment his piano playing, as I recall.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 11:54 AM

I remember that one line (nothing else of the song) and thought it was Aretha Franklin.

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 11:53 AM

"From what (very) little I remember of Neil Sedaka, he was a moany little soft-pop starlet who was deservedly forgotten.

Can't recall any Carole King song either."


British Folk - the music community that broad minded tolerance forgot...

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 11:45 AM

Really? You can't recall
"You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman"?

Subject: RE: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 11:43 AM

From what (very) little I remember of Neil Sedaka, he was a moany little soft-pop starlet who was deservedly forgotten.

Can't recall any Carole King song either.

Subject: Carole King rewrites history!
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Sep 18 - 10:49 AM

Well, Carole is not being very honest when she tells the story of her life because she has decided to write Neil Sedaka out of the narrative.
Neil gets barely a passing reference in her autobiography, and in her comprehensive interview for the Kennedy Centre, Neil doesn't even get a mention. Now, she probably has "issues" with Neil but talk about rewriting history.