BS: Political prisoners in the UK!

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Iains
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 03:47 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/30/terrorism-mi5-torture

There are other relevant articles in the link.

I wonder who guards the rights of "political" prisoners? This catchall label covers anyone the state may take a dislike to.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 01:18 PM

I should have added that over a period of about a year, I attended many, many hearings/trials at Norwich Magistrates Court and Norwich Crown Court.

It was most interesting to follow proceedings and learn something about the legal process.
I also attended sentencing, and never once heard the words 'solitary confinement' uttered by the presiding judge/magistrate.

But of course I have never attended a terrorism or political type of trial, or anything serious such as murder.
Mostly burglaries, GBH, ABH, drug-related offences and so on.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: KarenH
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:56 PM

My point was that in so far as the original article claimed a 'sentence' had been given by a court which UK courts cannot and do not give, this seemed to undermine the credibility of the article.

As has been pointed out, people do sometimes end up in form of 'solitary' but it is not an actual sentence awarded after a trial.

Thanks for backing this Senoufou.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:27 PM

Why does Her Majesty need all those prisons? Isn't the Tower of London enough any more?

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 09:28 AM

There is no such thing as being 'sentenced to two years' solitary confinement'

It's remand prisoners who are more likely to end up in solitary than those who have been convicted and sentenced. Particularly victims of the border control cops and the "anti-terrorism" industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:55 AM

And brava to you, Senoufou,
for putting your credentials on the line.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:40 AM

Interesting Iains, thank you for those links.
My prison visiting experiences were thirty years ago, and of course I'm a bit out of date with my information.

In my day, if a prisoner was still recalcitrant after a period 'down the Seg' he was moved to another prison and put on a wing there.
This is why I visited in several prisons to keep in touch with individuals who were always being shipped out in a 'sweat box' (prison van) to some other place.

I visited in:-

HMP Wayland
HMP Norwich
HMP Blundeston
HMP Highpoint
HMP The Mount
HMP Wormwood Scrubs
HMP Hollesley Bay
HMP Parkhurst

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Iains
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:57 AM

https://rightsinfo.org/time-talk-solitary-confinement/

https://howardleague.org/legal-work/solitary-confinement/

https://www.penalreform.org/blog/monitoring-isolation-and-solitary-confinement-in-the-uk/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/27/uks-most-vulnerable-and-dangerous-inmates-live-side-by-side-in-solitary

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:45 AM

There is no such thing as being 'sentenced to two years' solitary confinement'. Prisoners may be kept in the segregation unit for a maximum of two weeks. After that, they have to be reinstalled on a wing.

Solitary confinement isn't part of a sentence, but used to segregate a troublesome inmate for a short time to defuse certain situations.
There are strict rules about segregation. Daily visits by the Governor and the Chaplain and air and exercise for an hour each day.

I know nothing however about prisons for the criminally insane (eg Broadmoor) where isolation may or may not be advised.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:39 AM

Some alt-fact stuff here but, as is usual with these things, it's difficult to know where lies truth in the sea of propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: KarenH
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 04:24 AM

Would also be interesting to know the source of the idea that 'solitary confinement' is used as a sentence for those found guilty in UK courts.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Acorn4
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 03:32 AM

I certainly won't be adding him to my friends list - would be interesting to see what other sources there are for this story?

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 03:27 AM

Revealing, IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Acorn4
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 03:21 AM

Will take a look at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 04:33 PM

Acorn4, have you looked at the FB Page of 'John Walker', the one you've linked to?

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 01:42 PM

Acorn4 - spend enough time 'researching' far right web sites
and you'll come away even more confused with all the apparent contradictions...

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Acorn4
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 01:31 PM

I'm slightly bemused by the Tommy Robinson references - this refers to Margaret Thatchers conservative cabinet. The right wing are actually the accused in all this?

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 01:19 PM

No it isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 12:56 PM

Sounds like another sordid episode in THIS HORRIFIC SAGA
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 12:39 PM

It isn't just the establishment that comes down hard on psychotic arsonists.

She might well be treatable with suitable chemicals but her fascist "friends" aren't going to let that happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Iains
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 12:36 PM

One source of information.
http://www.holliegreigjustice.uk/hgj/?p=6438

My only comments would be that:

Saville hid in a sea of publicity for decades.

The establishment comes down very hard on dissenters that gather too big a following.

Draw your own conclusions!

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 10:16 AM

I just nipped out to the post office
and saw a photocopy A4 poster taped prominently to a main street tree,
outing and warning of a 'paedo' who lives a few streets away...

Photo, name, adrress, phone no...

The far right is exploiting ordinary folk's fear for children
as mercylessly as possible for their own ends...

The bloke in the poster better think about what happened
to an entirely innocent immigrant not too far away in Bristol,
who was brutally murdered because he looked a bit weird,
so was obviously a kiddy fiddler...

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Acorn4
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 10:08 AM

Perhaps correct to treat this with a pinch of salt - I was posting rather in the vein of "if there is any truth in this we ought to be alarmed".

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 09:30 AM

Definitely not him then!

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:43 AM

This "John Walker" posted a message promoting a rally for Nigel Farage ten minutes ago and a Ban the Burka march yesterday. He's an ultra-rightist.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 08:29 AM

You're not missing anything, Steve. It does seem to be yet another conspiracy theory attracting the usual nutters. I only got as far as Tommy robinson and his fans should use this to prove they are thinking of the children and not just being racist, and have another march in london in the messages of support before I gave up.

Shame if the lass has been given a rough deal but, somehow, I doubt the 'facts' are as stated.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:59 AM

She appears to be a psychotic arsonist and the world is lucky she hasn't already killed people.

Subject: RE: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:56 AM

We non-Facebook users are excluded. There's too much of that going on. I knew a John Walker when I was teaching in London, a very radical leftie working in Hackney. Wonder whether it's him.

Subject: BS: Political prisoners in the UK!
From: Acorn4
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:48 AM

I'm not sure what are the facts behind this story but if it's true a worrying development:-

Melanie Shaw