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BS: The Great Sphinx

Donuel 08 Nov 18 - 10:17 AM
Dave Hanson 08 Nov 18 - 10:32 AM
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Backwoodsman 08 Nov 18 - 12:43 PM
Jim Carroll 08 Nov 18 - 01:18 PM
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Nigel Parsons 10 Nov 18 - 11:19 AM
Iains 10 Nov 18 - 11:39 AM
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Subject: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 10:17 AM

As a branch off a symposium thread the current understanding of the Great Sphinx may be fascinating. At one time it pointed toward Leo but because of precession has moved on.

~10,000 years ago the Sphinx was a natural but huge natural formation that we would now call a hargang. A hargang is an erosion feature of some boulders that in desert winds resemble a reclining cat. A pre Egyptian civilization saw opportunity to embellish the feature that already pointed to the Leo constellation to look even more like a cat.

A great climate change brought erosion to the sphinx that washed away much of the sides and arms for thousands of years.

Later the Egypians made the sculpture their own by carving down the cat head into a unproportioned smaller head of a Pharoh, complete with a wrapped beard and eventually the now missing tall head piece representing the upper and lower Nile authority. An early repair of the arms was done by Egyptians just as we have repeated in modern times.

There is an underground/under Sphinx canal of water in which a Pharoh would travel by boat in his lifetime to initiate them to the mysteries of the afterlife. The entry is near the left hindquarters and extends 15+ meters at a time through two different chambers.
The second chmber has another descending passageway but is blocked by stone.

I know the legend of something buried under the right front paw but I do not know what is there. As you know it was at the Sphinx that the Rosetta stone was found. An American psychic is respondsible for some of the time capsule claims.

Not only is the Sphinx much older than claimed it may be 12,000 years older.
Where does the underground canal go ?
Would'nt you like to know.

btw the Great Sphinx was painted brightly at one time.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 10:32 AM

The sexual life of the camel,

Is stranger than anyone thinks,

In moments of amorous passion,

It frequently buggers the Sphinx,

But the Sphinx's posterior passage,

Is blocked by the sands of the Nile,

Which accounts for the hump on the camel,

And the Sphinx's mysterious smile.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 10:36 AM

I did a graphic image of the Sphinx in its complete most brightly painted and undamaged Egyptian version.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 11:19 AM

Did it look like an early ancient form of advertising..
like a gigantic inflatable brand symbol tethered outside a car showroom...???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 12:43 PM

"Where does the underground canal go ?
Would'nt you like to know."


'The Nile' would be the obvious answer?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 01:18 PM

Have to say that after our two weeks on the Nile I found the Sphinx a bit of an anticlimax
Having said that, the trip itself is one that you never forget - still vivid after twenty six years
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 01:24 PM

Yes, I believe you have it right about the Sphinx, Donuel. It was almost certainly sculptured in its original form of a lion by a civilization far older than Egypt. Major climatic changes occurred causing decades or even centuries of heavy rainfall, eroding its sides and arms. In a later and far dryer period the Egyptians carved its lion head down some into the likeness of their Pharoah.

The civilization(s) which preceded Egypt are lost to known history, probably because of major climatic changes or other disastrous Earth changes which brought them to an end and reduced the people in those areas to bare survival levels for thousands of years. In time, though, complex civilizations rise again.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 01:26 PM

I agree, Jim. I think one problem with both the Sphinx and the Giza pyramids is that we are so familiar with them from childhood that when you see them in actuality they can be underwhelming.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 02:45 PM

Giza did it for me, not much to see, but the enormity was overwhelming
The nearby 'Workmans tombs' were exquisite
Th star of the show was 'The Cachette' in Luxor - an underground store-room that had been uncovered by a builders dumper truck which had driven over it and had broken through into a room that had lain untouched for millenia
Where we had been used to seeing artifacts that had been damaged by time, or by The Copts deliberately defacing them, here was a room full of relics that might have been a week before
I have to admit that I walked around the exhibition with tears running down my face - a lump comes to the throat remembering it
Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 02:48 PM

I have only seen video of the passage to the third chamber beneath the Sphinx but due to a rerouting of sewerage it is flooded. In Turkey there are amazing underground cities and there are claims the same is true of Giza.

So I do not know where the canal/passageway goes.


There are people who claim they saw the underground structure.
The Great Hooey of Speculation


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 03:14 PM

I saw the pyramids and the Sphinx and the Egyptian Museum first, and then flew to Luxor to take the Nile cruise from Luxor to Aswan. I was struck by the enormity of the pyramids and Sphinx, but there wasn't much artistry or detail to them. The temples and tombs of Luxor and Aswan were far more impressive. If I had seen the pyriamids at the end of my trip, I would not have been so impressed. But now that image is fading from my mind, and I can't bring back the sensation of my first view of Giza.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 03:46 AM

'now that image is fading from my mind'.....I was certain that I had all my photos backed up, but when my hard disk crashed, I lost everything from my Nile cruise - Luxor, Abu Simbel, Valley of the Kings, Karnak, Temple of Hatshepsut, the lot. Fortunately I had video'd everywhere so can capture frames, but suffice it to say that even my most trivial snaps get backed up in several locations now...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 03:53 AM

suffice it to say that even my most trivial snaps get backed up in several locations

I verge on paranoia about such things. My camera is wirelessly connected to my phone, so the moment I turn the camera off, everything syncs to my phone. My phone is linked to my Adobe account so it then saves them in the cloud. My cloud storage is backed up overnight to a hard drive next to my desk. And for good measure I have a portable storage unit and back up the camera SD card to that independently. And for big trips, I use Shutterfly to create hard copy books of the trip, along with notes about the trip.

Now all I need is to be able to take photos worth keeping in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:19 AM

I like the initial post suggesting that the current understanding of the Great Sphinx may be fascinating. At one time it pointed toward Leo but because of precession has moved on
When was that? What era? What date & time?
In the course of a year the sphinx would point at each constellation as it appears in a great circle around the planet, which is constantly turning, and orbiting the sun.
At least claims for Stonehenge relate to alignments at particular times of the year, without making such a wide ranging, and demonstrably false claim.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Iains
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:39 AM

The age of Leo was immediately post glacial c. 10,500 BC to 8000 BC.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 12:45 PM

And during that time, would Leo have been visible almost constantly?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Iains
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 01:59 PM

An interesting aside:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.00046

Taurus may be one of the oldest constellations, being depicted in the paleolithic cave art found in the cave of Lascaux in France where it has been radiocarbon dated at 17,000 years old. During the age of Leo the sphinx would have been pointing at Regulus.the star Regulus, which traditionally denotes the heart of Leo, sits very close to the ecliptic as if marking a key date along this Cosmic Age chronometer. As an ecliptic marker, Regulus stands out from the other Royal Stars in that it lies closest of all to the ecliptic. It lies 0.7 degrees above the ecliptic, whereas the other three Royal Stars lie between 2 and 4.5 degrees below the ecliptic
By contrast the Pyramids are held to have been constructed during the age of Taurus.

Approximate dates All courtesy of Wiki!
The Age of Leo Common interpretation: c. 10,500 BC to 8000 BC
The Age of Cancer 8600 BC and ended c. 6450 BC
The Age of Gemini 6450 BC and ended c. 4300 BC
The Age of Taurus 4300 BC and ended c. 2150 BC
Bull worshiping cults began to form in Assyria, Egypt, and Crete during this mythological age. Bull worshiping cults began to form in Assyria, Egypt, and Crete during this mythological age.
   Worship of Apis, the bull-deity , the most important of all the sacred animals in Egypt, said to be instituted during the Second Dynasty of the Early Dynastic Period of Egypt and worshipped in the Memphis region until the New Kingdom (16th century BC).
    When Moses was said to have descended from the mountain with the ten commandments (c. 17th – 13th century BC, the end of the Age of Taurus), some of his people or followers were found by him to be worshipping a golden bull calf. He instructed these worshippers to be killed. This represents Moses "killing" the bull and ending the Age of Taurus, and ushering in the Age of Aries, which he represents.

The Age of Aries 2150 BC and ended 1 AD
The Age of Aries ushered in efforts to replace polytheism with monotheism. The earliest known attempt was by the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, who, in about 1350 BC, decreed the Sun God Aten to be the supreme deity, apparently in reaction to his earlier lack of inclusion in religious rites by his family. After his death, however, power reverted to the original polytheistic priests, who re-established the old religion. Speculation (including that of Freud) has it that later, during the reign of Ramesses II, Moses was influenced by rumour of Akhenaten's revolutionary idea, and grasped the idea of a single supreme God, who especially favoured his people, as an inspirational mechanism that best suited his people held in bondage. The symbol of Aries can be seen as representing the power of multiple gods streaming down into a single god-head.

Moses (born c. 16th–13th century BC; 7 Adar 2368 – 7 Adar 2488 in the Hebrew calendar), an early Biblical Hebrew religious leader, lawgiver, prophet, and military leader, condemns his own people upon finding them worshiping a 'golden calf' (a symbol of the previous Age of Taurus and of the worship of the bull deity) after coming down Mount Sinai. These events may have occurred during the Age of Aries

The Age of Pisces AD 1 and ends c. AD 2150.
Christianity uses a lot of Piscean symbolism.

Make of it what you will.
Dating of rocks does not help with construction dates. Where mortar is used included charcoal can provide a date for the mortar. Establishing dates by obtaining data from supposed associated settlements makes leaps of faith, not science.
Using subaerial weathering patterns and blaming it on rain when the sphinx has spent vast periods largely buried is stretching the credulity envelope. It makes a nice soundbite but reliability is away with the faeries.
So the Sphinx presents a bit of a problem. Why construct a Lion in the age of Taurus?

It also needs pointing out that conventional archeology does not accept precession was known back in extreme days of yore. (This would not be the first time they have been wrong.

Also some claim pillar 43 of Enclosure D Gobelki Tepi(to date the oldest circle realized at the site), otherwise known as the ‘Vulture Stone’, suggests that iconography at the site was used to record dates connected to precession, the movement of the seasons or astronomical phenomena.
A relief decorating the Vulture Stone portrays a central orb, or ball, poised on the vulture’s wing which appears to depict the sun. (fig.4) Below the jubilant looking vulture is the figure of a scorpion, below which is a headless ithyphallic man to which the orb above may have belonged as a head. Using StarryNight software, it can be determined that at Göbekli Tepe from 10,000-9500 B.C. the summer solstice sun occupied the region of Scorpius. If the Vulture Stone depicts this region of space, there is an ethnographic example of a zodiac which reflects its features to considerable extent.

This is all cut and paste for those that have not figured it out already but plagiarised fromabout 10 sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Joe_F
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 06:31 PM

Dave Hanson: I believe the Sphinx's smile was *inscrutable*.

W. H. Auden sheds further light on its orientation:

    Time hurt it like a person; it lies, turning
    A vast behind on shrill America


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 07:19 PM

were in the dawning of the age of Aquarius the age of Aquarius yeah


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 07:47 PM

Actually the point is I am left to consider that the Sphinx is a deliberate landmark in time like a milestone. Near Turkey there is a Megalithic city with giant T stone structures we called Globi Zepi but it was deliberately buried by hands unknown. Why? There is a huge 3 dimensional underground city that looks like a giant ant farm. People said it was a defense against warring invaders but that makes less sense than shelter from the environment. How? What? It beggars the imagination. For me it is grist for the sci fi mill but real answers are beyond me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 12:46 AM

We think of the Great Sphinx at Giza, but there are sphinxes all along the Nile. This row of sphinxes line the road to the temple at Luxor. These sphinxes were maybe 4 feet high from the pedestal, and eight feet long. Substantial, and very impressive in quantity, but certainly not as massive as the Great Sphinx.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Iains
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 05:37 AM

The sphinx depicted in other civilisations, from Gobekli Tepe to Assyrian, Minoan and Greek. Some are also depicted with wings.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Great Sphinx
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 06:53 AM

The sphinx obviously depicts a lion which was a great predator. What could be worse than a lion with wings, the eaglion?

(a parody) When the tomb of Nostrildamus was desecrated in Carbondale PA. what little left of her remains were deposited in a VHW in town. Nostrildamus predicted the past in quatrains that have been decoded. The name itself has been decoded from the original Irene Noseady (Nose+lady=Nostrildamus). Her epitaph above the bar reads; "The most illustrious and unique Nostrildamus was most revered of all mortals whose pen described past prehistoric events the world over from the influence of the bars."
She was a profound Conphet, the opposite of a prophet who could instead see and interpret the past. As a Conphet (antiprophet) she also ran up a huge bar tab producing an antiprofit and was set upon by the locals during the war of 1812 and the closure of the tavern.
Every one of her quatrains have been decoded including the ones written by others.

The Great Sphinx XVII 66

Cat lovers united in floral Egypt
They worshipped Tabby not Annubis
They carved the kitty for years
No one ever emptied the cat sand


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