BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 19 - 11:22 AM

cat causes anomoly in spaceX rocket engine

It was good it was only a test but the smoke could be seen for miles.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 09:56 PM

Greater love hath no fire station chief and crew,
than they go out and rescue the station cat
when he doesn't show up on time for his dinner.

November 2018 - extract cat from storm drain

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 09:49 PM

Neighboring fire stations in the New York Fire Department
know about each other ... and their special "feed me" companions.
The fellow in this photograph came to visit the rescue cat
from his station where the "feed me"s are ... wait for it ... turtles.

Station 35 Lieutenant visits Killer

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 02:26 PM

My vet is a defender of cats and being time for rabies vaccine booster she told me each of our cats should have their own sand box. I heartily agreed and said in fact I do have one for each. She went on to say each cat should have their own food bowl. I told her I disagreed. You see my kitties are Muslim cats and eat from the same platter with their mouths and left paw.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 01:46 PM

Meanwhile, back in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn,
the fire station is making encouraging gestures
to a pair of feral cats
which is kind of circling warily about the premises.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 11:51 AM

And in Whangaparaoa, New Zealand,
there is an official cat
at the police station.

Snickers at Whangaparaoa Community Patrol

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Apr 19 - 06:03 PM

New York FD Station 57 mourns the death of "Killer."
The female stray cat succumbed to cancer this month.
The cat's tumorous spleen was removed; but
the cancer had already spread to the liver.
Once Killer the cat left the station in order to get
veterinary treatment,
and post-surgery care in a first-responder's home,
the cat never returned to the station.

Rest In Peace, Killer

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 01:09 PM

And in another station in another part of New York City,
one fire station mascot
lasted five years, until its death.

RIP Firecat "Boogie"

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Mar 19 - 12:49 PM

The Station 57 cat-mascot Instagram account is of course
maintained by one of the first responders at the station,
on a friendly basis with the rest of the humans, as well as the cat.

The social-media followers who leave comments on the Instagram account
sometimes start little comment exchanges,
with responses from the station staffer.

Thus, the story unfolds of Killer the cat's favorite human.
And it is SO like a cat.

The staffperson who maintains the Instagram account is the one
who took the cat to and from the vet hospital
to have the spleen removed,
who gives the medications and cleans up the cat's messes,
keeps the cat fed and comfortable and safe
in the person's own domicile.
For which, the thanks that this person gets is
an awful lot of scratches.

Said staffperson made a social-media hashtag with the remark,
"If only [the cat] would look at me
like she looks at [name]...."

This caregiver is one of a number of Station 57 caregivers who of course
answer the cat's every call for attention,
or even attempt to anticipate them,
taking time and trouble to approach the cat to do caregiving.

So what did the cat do?
Killer the cat took notice of all the humans in the station,
and paid attention to the ones who didn't come at her
or initiate an interaction.
Amongst these, the cat chose one staffperson
who walked straight past the cat as if the cat weren't even there.

The cat made this person her project.
She thinks of this person as her conquest, her territory,
that she went after and claimed herself.
So, today, not only is the person besotted with the cat,
but the cat favors this person over all the other humans.
This is the only human who never ever gets clawed or scratched,
who can pick the cat up and hold the cat
in ways that would fail spectacularly for other co-workers
if they attempted to do it.

Not hard to find out who this is, because
the Instagram photo submissions
are loaded with shots of the cat with this particular firefighter.
Ah, cats ...

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Mar 19 - 03:23 PM

Killer, the mascot at NYFD Station 57,
had her surgery to remove her spleen (and its tumor).
She is said to be "annoyed" but eating well.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Mar 19 - 07:12 PM

Officially, The Fire Department of New York City
does not know what a rescue cat is.

Unofficially, however ...

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 01:10 PM

It's puzzling, how things turn out.

At Station 57 of the New York Fire Department
(Bedford-Stuyvesant),
the mascot cat is welcomed by one and all.

At Station 49 of the San Francisco Fire Department,
the adopted stray cat was reported
in a complaint to the Human Resources department by a staff member.

In San Francisco,
the cat was taken to a private home
in order to comply with the Fire Department orders,
where the cat is happy and healthy,
while many of the station staff miss her.

In New York, where the cat needed a visit to the vet,
the vet found a malignant tumor (mast cells) on the cat's spleen.
The cat was removed from the fire station
and is being housed at a private home
while being medicated and prepared
for the surgery to remove the spleen.
The station staff miss their cat, and are following the cat's progress
on social media (Instagram);
what is more, a social-media fund-raising campaign was set up
to pay the New York cat's vet bills,
and the contributions have risen well above the amount asked for.

Now both cats have Instagram accounts
where social-media participants worldwide are posting comments
and wishing them well.
And both stations miss their mascots.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: kendall
Date: 15 Mar 19 - 11:59 AM

We have a rescue cat named Sam, orange and white. He's not a dog, but he's still ok.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Mar 19 - 01:27 PM

One of my acquaintances traveled with some large number of cats in his Subaru. He was not homeless, but his home was in the boonies in a cabin in winter. So he is typing away on his computer at an internet cafe (Okay, a Starbucks) and someone in the parking lot sees all the kitties in the car and notifies Animal Control and they come and appropriate the cats and set a date to turn them into late cats (though they are not feral). So folks like me call in that he is a known quantity not a cruel person far from it, and he gets the cats back only after they have all been limited from having even more kitties and a sizable bill. Ah, civilization.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Mar 19 - 12:28 PM

From New York Fire Department's Station 57,
a blow to world-wide followers of fire station cats.

a killer diagnosis

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Mar 19 - 03:04 PM

If the New York Fire Department Station 57
was told to get rid of Killer,
I reckon there would be an awful fuss.

feed me. Feed Me. FEED ME.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:24 PM

Meanwhile, back at the , erm, Station 49 for ambulances for
the San Francisco Fire Department:

we have pictures to prove that the SFFD took action
on behalf of the Station 49 premises, based on
the anonymous complaint about a cat on the premises.
Using taxpayers' money, one supposes.

disinfecting the floor of Station 49 in San Francisco

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Mar 19 - 05:58 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/pets/20-ways-cats-improve-your-quality-of-life/ss-BBLiQrp?ocid=ientp#image=1

Afraid this is from MSN- ANY attempt to argue with it means you are a racist, far Right, anti-science bigot.

Case closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 05:05 PM

Don't be so miserable, Mossback. It's a bit of light relief amidst the doom and gloom of Trump in the US and brexit in the UK. It's the human interest story at the end of the news.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 11:31 AM

And now its gone way BEYOND farce.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 10:52 AM

Last night's meeting of the
San Francisco Fire Commission was open to the public,
and the local press reported on the members of the public in attendance,
including Michelle Estrada.

Former Station 49 EMT staffer Irene Ybarra,
relocated to Oregon, has been previously interviewed
by local online website SF Gate,
concerning the conditions at the station with the cat on the premises.

Michelle Estrada, described much the same way as Ybarra
as a former Station 49 EMT staffperson,
came forward at the commission meeting,
and also spoke to the press.
She recalled how the feral kitten was taken in at Station 49
and said it was important for the Commission to be told how it happened.

Nothing was reported in the feature article concerning:
the anonymous complainant who started the process;
any current staff members of Station 49.

The emphasis now seems to be less on the pet cat
and more on the Fire Department's Human Relations office
and how they have ordered the staff to be silent.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 06:48 PM

Just what the world neds - another bogus "therapy animal" to dodge the rules. Kinda like that miniature horse on a bus a while back.

This whole episode is evolving from just plain silly to out-and-out farce.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 05:25 PM

A look at the instagram account established by
San Francisco Fire Station 49 on behalf of
"edna fire cat",
shows that they have, lately anyhow,
complied with the cease-and-desist order
which forbids them not to discuss the person within the department
who submitted the anonymous complaint to Human Resources.

What the instagram account does talk about,
is the station staff's ongoing work with
the San Francisco SPCA to have
Edna the Cat certified as a therapy animal.
The latest photographs posted at the instagram account
come from the SPCA evaluation of Edna the cat's
fitness to work as a therapy animal;
the remarks state that Edna did a great job at the eval.

This evening, Pacific time,
the San Francisco Fire Commission
will meet, and one of the topics proposed for the meeting
is a proposal concerning therapy animals at fire stations,
and a direct report on the Station 49 situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 07:03 PM

Tune back in to the ongoing saga of
Station 49 after the Wednesday, February 27
meeting of the San Francisco Fire Commission.
A proposal for policy change is to be submitted at this meeting.
Until then,
the Station 49 fire department / paramedic / EMS staff
have to keep schtumm,
according to the cease-and-desist order.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Feb 19 - 12:30 PM

Edna the cat removed from fire station after anonymous complaint

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 08:14 PM

Edna the cat, rest assured, is being well looked after.
I doubt that she has any notion what the fuss is about.
The paramedics who staff Station 49 are posting Instagram updates,
on the cat's behalf.

Since the cat was removed from the station
and relocated to someone's private quarters:
"Edna update: she is doing pretty good... using the litter box right away (thank goodness) ... watching television on the bed, but I don't think she was a big fan of watching the [Westminster] Dog Show. Truly happy that she seems to be handling this pretty well so far. She's a very resilient kitty!"

Just before the weekend:
"Edna is doing really well! She seems to still be adjusting better than expected so far. Unfortunately the status of her returning to Station 49 still has not changed. She is deeply missed at station. . . Thank you everyone for your continued love and support for Edna and the members of Station 49! #ednastays "

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: leeneia
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 09:35 AM

I'm pretty sure the station will be able to keep its cat, one way or another. A cat keeps mice down, even if it's not a good mouser. And it's widely accepted that petting an animal eases stress.

And who wants to tell the firefighters whom you might need to save your life that they can't keep their kitty?

Some years back, we had a fire station with a pot-bellied pig. It stayed under the radar.
===========
I'm pretty sure that a group of people who co-ordinate all their meals can manage to co-ordinate the care of a cat.

And if all else fails, there's midnight acquisition...

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:22 PM

I had no idea that hedgehogs can carry Salmonella!

Salmonella? - small potatoes.

Do check out the much more extensive list of much more serious diseases stray cats carry - and transmit to Humans -and other animals - without the necessity of being kissed.

Statements have been made in the Instagram account

Instagram? you don't mean to say you mean to say you believe the 24 karat bulls**t that site disseminates, I hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:59 PM

The latest development is the order sent by
the San Francisco Fire Department to
the Station 49 Staff (mostly EMS paramedics).

Cease and Desist Order regarding the identity of the staffperson who submitted the complaint

This order is available from the San Francisco news website which began the initial reporting about the station's Instagram campaign.
Statements have been made in the Instagram account about
the complainant's "malicious intent" in making the complaint in the first place.

Edna the cat, plainly, is not doing the talking.
And this makes it official, not to say obvious,
that the problem in this department and in this location
is a personnel/human-relations problem,
of which a cat on the premises
is probably the least.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 11:30 AM

Gosh Mrrzy, I had no idea that hedgehogs can carry Salmonella! There are approx one million hedgehogs in Britain, and one doesn't even need to kiss them. Their droppings are infected and people catch the disease from their garden. Yuk! Sorry Mrs Tiggy Winkle! No kisses for you!
I must remember to ask the Erpingham people about this at their next Open Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 10:17 AM

Seen this? Sorry no blicky.

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2019/01/26/why-you-should-not-kiss-your-hedgehog-cdc-warns-of-salmonella/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fbrucelee%2F2019%2F01%2F26%2Fwhy-you-should-not-kiss-your-hedgehog-cdc-warns-of-salmonella%2F

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:58 AM

Very funny song Dave! I've often wondered how they manage to mate.

The first photo on your link is of a baby albino hedgehog. The Erpingham 'hospital' has a tame albino one, and it can be picked up (gingerly!) and stroked.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:35 AM

To get back to this being a song forum

Terry Pratchett's Hedgehog Song.

Enjoy

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:34 AM

Ha Mrrzy, no it wouldn't be a good idea at all!

We support the Hedgehog Hospital at Erpingham, and they have a very informative Open Day each year. They give talks and let people view their 'patients'. I help with serving teas.

Apparently, many hedgehogs suffer dreadfully from lungworm and fleas. Their Vet treats them for these parasites and operates on strimmer/mower injuries, road accident injuries and fox bites etc.

They're not very cuddly creatures really. But lovely to look at.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 08:10 AM

Don't kiss hedgehogs, I am informed.

Feral is not the same as wild. Feral is once-domesticated, but not no mo'.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:15 AM

Cor yes Dave! Ours learned the hard way to leave hedgehogs alone.

Also moles. In our last house we had half an acre of garden, liberally adorned with blooming mole hills. Often a mole would emerge from the top of one of these, and the cats would sit in a circle to watch.
If they ever had the cheek to try and poke the mole, it would go for them viciously and bite their paws. Moles have wicked jaws and teeth!

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 04:07 AM

Ours give the hedgehog living under the shed a wide berth!

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 01:58 PM

And adult male pheasants, posted/dragged through the cat flap.
And rather large rats.

But none of these creatures are being massacred in a city Dispatch Station surely?

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 01:39 PM

Actually, Mrrzy, quite a few are. Check out a Trump rally, the BNP, Britain First, any of the 70 plus Klan groups in the U.S., League of the South, Aryan Nations, Bezalel Smotrich's National Union Party, America's Promise Ministries - the list goes on and on.

OK, Senoufou, my mistake: remove the Chipmunk & add hedgehogs, dormice, voles, wood mice, shrews, moles & etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 08:06 AM

So are people feral?

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 04:38 AM

You might try it yourself.

I do. Why on earth would you suggest that I do not do anything about the things I can do something about? I have enough time for the big and little issues. Do you not?

(PS: cats aren't people, tho some folks act as if they were.)

Cats are not people. Firefighters are. You seem to think that this is just about the cat. It isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Jos
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 04:30 AM

The only chipmunks I have seen wild in the 'English' countryside were in the Disney film of the 101 Dalmations - they had obviously just used any random bits of film of wild animals in the snow that came to hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 04:23 AM

Hahaha Mossback, I'd have been completely astonished if our cats had come indoors with a chipmunk, as we live in a rural part of Norfolk UK!

Rabbits are considered vermin by local farmers, although I do think they're very sweet, especially the babies. I've skinned and jointed many of them (rabbits, not the farmers!)
And you're quite right of course in saying that cats don't distinguish between rare, protected species and vermin.

I'm ashamed to say that we had a colony of sloe worms (fairly rare) in the bank down by the ditch, and one day I found a dead one on the kitchen floor.
And a harvest mouse (also fairly rare).
And a few field mice.
Not to mention Hissing Sid the huge grass snake that they poked and prodded as he slept curled up on my neighbour's patio.

But in a city Fire Station I doubt whether any of these species can be found.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: BobL
Date: 15 Feb 19 - 03:58 AM

The only (AFAIK) time one of my household cats found a baby rabbit, he brought it into the house through the cat flap, holding it by the scruff of its neck like a kitten. I think he wanted to adopt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 06:50 PM

"Habitual hand washer", eh? Rather like Pete Hegseth , then?
Sophomoric reply, Charmion, which clearly demonstrates that you are, indeed, ignorant of the actual disease risk entailed. Do read up on it.

Not all small mammals & critters are "vermin" Senoufou. How then did your cats distinguish house mice and rats from chipmunks, water voles, baby rabbits, squirrels, field mice, shrews, miscellaneous reptiles & amphibians & etc?

being concerned about 'the little things' in life is no bad way to live

It become so when it crowds out or takes precedence over much more important and significant "big things", though, doesn't it?.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Charmion
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 03:12 PM

No, Mossback, I am not ignorant about disease. Nor am I a science-denier. I wear the badge of the habitual hand-washer — chapped knuckles.

But life is dirty, most of it generated by humans. One learns to deal with it — that’s what soap and chlorine bleach are for.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 01:42 PM

Our five cats did hunt, Mossback, but mostly vermin (rats, mice, far-too-numerous pigeons etc)
But I agree cats are responsible for killing wildlife eg songbirds.

I feel that being concerned about 'the little things' in life is no bad way to live. It's a mindset which encourages one to be caring, attentive to needs and compassionate.
It doesn't stop one from being concerned about the big things too.
They aren't mutually exclusive.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 01:36 PM

Oh yes?

feral ['fer?l,'fir?l]
adjective: in a wild state
synonyms:        fierce, ferocious, vicious, savage, aggressive, predatory, bloodthirsty.

Cats are little ( or not so little) killing machines. They can't help it, that's the way they're "programmed".

Out of doors, i.e. stray, cats are an invasive species responsible for the extensive destruction of wildlife.

Now, before everyone piles on, I like cats - in their proper place.
And I've "owned" [if you can so call it] quite a few in my time.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 11:49 AM

Cats aren't all feral, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Defenders Of The Cat[s]
From: Mossback
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 10:19 PM

people should stop bothering with the welfare of animals and well being of firefighters

You said that, Dave, I didn't.

if you spend all your days worrying about the big issues that you can do nothing about anyway.

I don't. I spend my time working on the big issues that I CAN do something about.

You might try it yourself.

(PS: cats aren't people, tho some folks act as if they were.)