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Making folk club recordings available

punkfolkrocker 15 Sep 21 - 01:52 AM
Tony Rees 15 Sep 21 - 01:14 AM
Sandra in Sydney 14 Sep 21 - 08:48 PM
Tony Rees 14 Sep 21 - 06:09 PM
punkfolkrocker 14 Sep 21 - 04:24 PM
Tony Rees 14 Sep 21 - 04:05 PM
Tony Rees 12 Sep 21 - 04:23 PM
Tony Rees 12 Sep 21 - 04:20 PM
Tony Rees 11 Sep 21 - 04:23 PM
Sandra in Sydney 26 Aug 21 - 05:00 AM
Tony Rees 26 Aug 21 - 02:49 AM
Sandra in Sydney 25 Aug 21 - 07:37 PM
Tony Rees 25 Aug 21 - 04:12 AM
The Sandman 09 Aug 21 - 02:36 PM
Tony Rees 06 Aug 21 - 06:23 PM
Tony Rees 06 Aug 21 - 03:40 PM
Tony Rees 06 Aug 21 - 02:45 PM
GUEST 06 Aug 21 - 11:42 AM
Tony Rees 05 Aug 21 - 02:37 AM
Sandra in Sydney 04 Aug 21 - 08:57 PM
Tony Rees 04 Aug 21 - 04:03 PM
The Sandman 24 Jul 21 - 02:27 PM
Steve Gardham 24 Jul 21 - 01:38 PM
Tony Rees 23 Jul 21 - 06:41 PM
Tony Rees 23 Jul 21 - 03:21 PM
RTim 21 Jul 21 - 11:19 AM
The Sandman 21 Jul 21 - 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 01:52 AM

errrmmm.. well us lot should know better than most other music fans
just how difficult, unreliable, unhelpful, stubborn, petty, contrary, spiteful, etc, etc, etc, music artists can be..

Particularly as they become older and more misanthropic...

Yes.. WE musicians and singers don't always have the best judgement and intentions
regarding our musical legacy...

Then there's obstructive greedy relatives inheriting our estates
who can make matters even worse for music fans...

Music enthusiast folks like you Tony deserve full praise for volunteering to put up with and negotiate
all the problems to keep our long forgotten music alive and accessible...

Cheers...

On the other hand, us musicians don't have to become such dicks at the end of our lives;
and in reality most us us hopefully aint...!!!


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 01:14 AM

RE my previous post about contacting artists for permission to make their performances available, I wrote:

"Of around 10 acts contacted this far, about 7 said OK"

Actually I was forgetting, several other emails I sent just never got an answer. Maybe the persons involved just don't care about their old work getting out there (but their followers do!)...

- Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 08:48 PM

Since 2008 we've been recording all our concerts, but almost nothing is on our Loaded Dog Folk Club youtube channel - 16 videos in 13 years, & 2 of them came from other events!

Our recordings are an archival record of a local folk club with a very famous singing audience. If the artists want a copy of their set they can get a copy.

Maybe one day in years to come, maybe when we are all ash or dust, someone will go thru our archives ...


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 06:09 PM

Thanks PFR for your kind comment...

Just mulling over this further - I am certain that, in some cases, "original artists" can have a different viewpoint on this sort of material than "fans" or serious devotees of the music ... for the original artist, what they did 40, 20 years ago, or less, can be of little interest to them (apparently) since either they have moved on since, or may view early appearances with a certain "cringe factor" - I know I do! As per, "did I really look/play/sing like that back in those days". Hard to reconcile the two viewpoints, plus that of history to come... As you may sense from previous views expressed here, I am on the side of history, but agree that present views of of artists should be respected. What happens when some or all of us are later deceased is a different matter again, maybe...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 04:24 PM

Brilliant effort and commitment to preserve our niche musical culture for music enthusiasts ..


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 04:05 PM

Just a follow-up to some discussion earlier in this thread - regarding the ethics of putting out material with/without permission of the original performers... I have taken the suggestions on board and since this year, attempted to contact performers (in this case, pro- and semi-pro musicians in the main) before putting material up, following the principle that they deserve to be the "gatekeepers" of such material recorded by audience members - whether this is ultimately for good or bad (for posterity) is a different question of course.

Of around 10 acts contacted this far, about 7 said OK (some with a little hesitation in case they thought that the performance might not be good enough, or no-one would be interested in seeing/hearing it, or they may have said something politically incorrect on the night...), so those shows have gone up... One has said no, they prefer to keep control of "performance quality" of what is available to go out to their audience, and this *might* not be good enbough (that is without seiing the footage, I have sent it privately to see if I can change their mind). One I sent to the artist who (it turns out) is doing their own series of live recording releases, and *may* want some of it for inclusion in that; what happens to the rest, or all of it if nothing is used, is not clear...

Another tape is a bit bogged down... one member of the group concerned is fine with it, but needs to contact 2 others who may or may not be contactable 25+ years later to get their OK as well... Hmm. I am still hoping that one can go out at some stage.

In several cases I sent the material to the artists involved several years back and received a vague "thanks" but no bites as to my suggestion to release it further, however on re-contacting them recently they said fine, why not? So it seems persistence can be required, and produce a useful result in some cases...

Just my experiences so far, potentially of interest RE this thread, more to come no doubt.

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 04:23 PM

Sorry, error with the link posted above: try this one: Live recordings - Tony Rees archive.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 04:20 PM

Since this thread is becoming a bit long, and has also maybe served its purpose, at least for discussing the ethics of / available mechanisms for making folk club recordings available, I thought I would create a separate thread for consolidation of "my" small contributions to the greater good of making this stuff available for the enjoyment of others: so see new thread at Live recordings - Tony Rees archive. I will also use that place to announce future material that I put on line as I have enthusiasm and time available.

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 04:23 PM

Next recording from the archive (video this time):

The Wrigley Sisters (Jennifer & Hazel Wrigley) live in concert, Tasmania, 2002

With thanks to Hazel and Jennifer for permission to upload!

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 05:00 AM

once upon a time I had a lot of jazz CDs, including a couple of boxed set o Django's music but then I got more involved in folks & eventually the dust-collecting jazz when to a charity.

being named after a classic cheese is an excellent idea.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 02:49 AM

Hi Sandra,

Yes, it appears Monsieur Camembert's new web site is not online/operational yet. We will await further developments!

Meanwhile you might be amused to know that the group is named after the nickname of Baro Ferret, one of Django's accompanists and an excellent (but little recorded) guitar player in his own right, so named because of his great love of that particular cheese...

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 07:37 PM

another good one, Tony, only (insert very large number here) more tapes to be processed!

sandra

ps. copying your link leads to a page with a link to their new website which gives a 404 error & a suggestion to update my browser (hmmmm, I updated my browser yesterday) & hovering over this suggestion shows browsehappy.com a site maintained by Wordpress according to Wikipedia.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 04:12 AM

Hi all, just chipping away at the archive further:

Monsieur Camembert (band) - Hobart, March 2000

My live digital recording from the PA, with a little subsequent sweetening/remastering...

FYI Monsieur Camembert is a 5-7(+) piece band from Sydney, Australia, who play their own blend of gypsy, swing, chanson and klezmer music, fronted by one Yaron Hallis. Their own page is at https://thehotclub.tripod.com/camembert.html. And yes, I did obtain permission from Yaron (just recently) to upload this concert recording, otherwise previously uncirculated. Enjoy...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 21 - 02:36 PM

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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 06:23 PM

Some follow-up discussion on the Chris Foster recording on his Facebook page - not sure if you have to be his friend to read it - see Chris Foster comment + more

- Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 03:40 PM

And then there are off-air recordings too (radio and occasionally TV) - some not apparently available elsewhere (but that is a fish of a different colour...), plus a few traded tapes/things given to me by friends (not first generation, but who know if better copies survive...) - ho hum...


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 02:45 PM

To answer Sandra's question a bit more seriously, i.e. what's in the drawer - probably at least 50-100 different club/concert recordings, I do not have a count, on cassette/analogue video tape/a few CDR (DAT quality) and a few of the more recent ones as digital video (but not many of the latter), mostly trad and contemporary folk with a little jazz and country. Quality to posterity is variable - some local performers only of no general interest, others are professionals or semi-professional, either in UK or (since 1986) Australians, and Americans/UK on tour in Oz; some of the tape quality is variable too, especially the earlier ones. If I work up 2-3 per year for release there is probably 20+ years' work there, by which time I will be approaching ninety! So perhaps I should get my skates on. As discussed earlier, one stumbling block is getting performers' permission to release - but perhaps I should try harder - a few feelers put out in the past but no concerted effort. However (for example) both Nic Jones and Chris Foster have come to the party this year, so to speak... others just put put out there for "historic interest" without asking permission thus far.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 21 - 11:42 AM

Great job Tony Rees - The Chris Foster recording is fabulous and great to hear Chris all those years ago - the wonderful rural tones are still there in his voice and the guitar is there too....well done both.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 02:37 AM

the odd thing, Sandra ... have to decide what to work on next!


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 08:57 PM

another good one, Tony, what else do you have in the drawer?


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 04:03 PM

As per the Nic Jones 1975 recording recently made available by myself, here is another from my archives for your enjoyment, which I have posted to youtube with Chris' permission:

Chris Foster at the Gypsy Davey Folk Club, Oxford, March 1975

Audience tapes of Chris from this era seem to be virtually non existent (I have never heard another, although maybe Chris might have some) and so, seeing he is definitely in my "top three" of English traditional-style singer guitarists of the era (along with Martin Carthy and Nic Jones) this tape is pure gold. In fact I am not sure why it has lain unheard by others in my drawer for 46 years, but there you go.

For those who may not be aware, Chris has resided in Iceland since 2004, but continues to make fine music and tour outside of that country on occasion. To keep up with his activity and purchase more recent music, visit www.chrisfoster-iceland.com/.

Enjoy!

- Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 02:27 PM

john knight was a real gentleman, he used to attend the unofficial singarounds at the then "cutty sark" in whitby, this was a singaround started by amongst others the wilsons, chris timson ann gregson ,myself, mai y i wish you every success with the project


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 01:38 PM

'Isle of France' being used by sailors during Victoria's rein is eminently plausible. It was known as Mauritius before the French captured it and then when the British recaptured it reverted to Mauritius. But old habits die hard amongst old salts. They practically had their own language and their own names for everything. It's also quite plausible that a returning convict from Oz should be shipwrecked and wash up on Mauritius in the Indian Ocean. Apart from which there is every chance the item is just a piece of fiction.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 06:41 PM

Of clear relevance to this thread, I note the following on Soundcloud, not mentioned previously as far as I know:

John Knight's Tapes

From the description: "This playlist contains digitised and remastered excerpts from John Knight's extensive 1970's and 80's folk club, tune session and kitchen table recordings, which are slowly but surely being unearthed by his grandchildren, from his original cassette tapes - They represent a priceless cultural and historical record, as well as a source of significant musical inspiration. ... The project is entirely DIY and without official funding. We have an on-going fundraiser for the project to help support the good work, and we really appreciate any small amount you might like to contribute."

Regards - Tony (no affiliation to the above project). BTW there is part of a Nic Jones club performance there as well, recorded in Godalming Surrey, 13th May 1974 :)


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 03:21 PM

I started a separate thread RE the Nic Jones recording, here:

Nic Jones club recording - Oxford 1975

So feel free to add further comments there, if you wish to.

Currently working on a tape of Chris Foster from the same month and year (different club), with Chris' permission to make public. Stay tuned...

Obviously it was a good year to be in Oxford!

- Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: RTim
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 11:19 AM

I have just seen the post from Peter Green - and I will try and contact you - but I am not sure the e-mail address you have used is correct??

Can you confirm your e-mail of write to me on mine - timradford44@gmail.com

It was I who reseached and recorded the Legacy CD.

I am in the USA...but could send you a CD if you wanted to buy one.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 11:12 AM

a question about clyde water, is the accompaniment different from the one he later recorded? or is my musical memory playing tricks on me


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 10:44 AM

1815
Ile de France was renamed Mauritius and it was formally given to Britain at the Treaty of Paris in 1815.
re his version of isle de france, and is spoken introduction makes it unlikely imo... the Queen was Queen Victoria


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 09:54 AM

marvellous guitar acc to bonny bunch of roses o


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 09:08 AM

yes,thanks Tony and thanks Nic


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 04:55 AM

You are most welcome. A lot better than these tapes mouldering in my drawer for 45+ years!


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 04:38 AM

That post above alone makes this whole thread totally worthwhile. Thanks Tony, your services to good music are appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 01:52 AM

RE the discussion a few posts back - I contacted Nic Jones' family by his web page asking for their permission to publicly release my 1975 Oxford Polytechnic audience tape via YouTube, and they gave me the OK! So here it is for your enjoyment:

Nic Jones at Oxford Polytechnic Folk Club, March 1975

Maybe worth a notification via a separate thread for comments etc., I'm not sure...

With many thanks to Nic for his superb playing and singing on the night, plus at all other times, and his family for the permission to put this out there.

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: GUEST,Peter’Green
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 11:11 AM

I have just come across George Blake’s Legacy and as a child of Emery Down was unaware of his songs. As a now ageing singer i wondered where i can hear his songs as i understand Forest Tracks no longer exists. I am p,green8@btinternet.com


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: RTim
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 10:26 PM

I just get excited Finding and Singing or Recording a song that no one else sings.....I love just breathing life back into a song....If someone sits up to listen its, great but anymore is a bonus.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 07:35 PM

Martyn Wyndham Read once said to me as we were driving to a gig, you don't get much for singing nowadays, just a bit of pocket money. That was in 1983. Most singers have some form of self employment to run alongside their gigs. Steve is right. The motivation is easy to spot. 'Just love the songs as much as me'. That will do.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 01:15 PM

Some of the biggest accolades I get from folk music is when my fellow performers say about one of my songs, I'd like to sing that one. That is reward enough for me, but then again I've never tried to make a living out of it.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 01:14 PM

I would not have a problem with it particularly if i was dead, most of my material is trad but i would be glad for anyone to sing any of my songs as long as i was mentioned, but everyone has a different take on these things.
i chose this form or genre not expecting to make much money , i did it because i loved tradtional music.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 12:41 PM

.. I'll put it another way..

when when considering well-respected but commercially unsuccessful music artists...

Dedicated fans are likely to be more knowledgeable and better equipped
to evaluate and distribute a deceased artists
unreleased demos, outtakes,
and unofficial amateur recordings..

Families maybe not so...


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 10:56 AM

I'd agree with Steve's positive pragmatic position..

..except..

Families who inherit an artist's estate are in some cases greedy talentless stupid philistine control freak parasites,
who are the last people who should ever have been allowed to become custodians of any musical legacy...

In that instance, such families are maybe best not to be heeded,
and the amateur recorded music should still be made carefully available, despite their self defeating negativity...???

Caution, and short term expedient expendable anonymous download links can take care of that hindernce to sharing...

Fortunately, not all familes are so wretched...

If I'd become a moderately well known folk artist, and dropped dead without a will,
I can think of bickering cousins who'd be a nightmare if they took control of my unreleased recordings...


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 09:25 AM

I should add I am here talking about the British folk scene and what we call source singers (see www.yorkshirefolksong.net) so I would not include high profile commercial singers in that, other than personal friends.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 09:23 AM

Using a bit of common sense and a majority vote scenario, what is wrong with digitising, making available online, with the proviso that any objections from performers or their families and you take the recording down? Of course anyone still performing is usually quite easily contacted through, if nothing else, their own websites or here.

I have contributed now to half a dozen websites over about 20 years material I have recorded. Not once have I been asked to take anything down, if that helps.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Howard Jones
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 02:49 PM

In the 1970s Jim Etheridge would sit in the front row at Chelmsford Folk Club every week with his reel-to-reel tape recorder. His archive is now held by Essex County Record Office, along with other recordings by Dennis Rookard. However they don't have the resources to digitise them, and I don't know whether the public has any access to them.

I imagine a lot of people will have similar recordings which might well be of historical interest and should be preserved, but how to do this? The EFDSS seems to have little interest in folk clubs or in amateur performances and I suspect they would not be interested.

Digitising them yourself and putting them online is one solution, but raises issues, as this discussion has illustrated. On the one hand these performances will probably be of interest to someone, on the other hand the rights of the performers themselves should be respected. They have the legal, and in my opinion, the moral right to object.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 01:13 PM

Irrespective of opinions about copyright, which clearly differ, an issue with most of my recordings is that, as I said in my opening post, when I asked permission to record, I stated that the recordings would be for my personal use. Many of the singers and musicians I recorded probably wouldn't mind my making the recordings available to all, but some might, and it is impracticable to contact even all of those who are still alive. I think this is one of those situations where there is no right answer, only a choice of more or less wrong answers. When I die my executors will have access to my recordings but probably won't have much idea what to do with them.


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 09:54 AM

I agree


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 05:05 AM

Indeed... Actually I was waiting to see if I can get that particular tape remastered by it present custodian - report back awaited :)

The I will contact Nic & Julia for their thoughts, which I am am happy to respect.

In the bigger picture, though, I do not think individual artists necessarily have the same perspective as their fans regarding what material deserves preserving - the "I must slash my paintings" syndrome perhaps - but for performers we respect, maybe they should indeed have the last word...

BTW I did not put that recording up, being mindful of Nic's situation, however it has been enthusiastically greeted by comments on Dime, to wit: "thanks a million" and so on...

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 04:49 AM

Nic, is contactable,it might be a good idea to ask him first?


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 04:44 AM

well i would like to hear any NicJones recordings that you have


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 04:25 AM

I never bothered with Dime, because it seemed to me too elitist and exclusive.
So it's been out of my mind for years...

Also torrents were too much of a faff, and regarded as a risk
at a time when USA music corporations
were trying to criminalise teenage music fans;
and extorting mega thousands of $$$ fines for downloading a mere handfull of mp3s..

But that was years ago before spotify and other streaming services
became so lucrative for the music industry..

Enabling them to even more effectively rip off their own contracted artists...

Tony - really all you need to do is upload [lossless flacs ideally]
to a free cloud host, eg, www.mediafire.com
and provide links in your own relevent mudcat threads.

It works easy enough for other mudcatters who are kind enough to share
to our community...

cheers...


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Subject: RE: Making folk club recordings available
From: Tony Rees
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 03:17 AM

For those who believe audience recordings of performers from the past should be made available to fans of the music, the following may be of interest... if not, feel free to skip this post.

It turns out that another of my originals has become available, this time via Dimeadozen (www.dimeadozen.org), not uploaded by me but by someone else from a low generation copy... in fact I do not even have the original of this any more, so it is great that it is preserved somewhere. It is Nic Jones recorded at Oxford Polytechnic in March 1975; I believe Ralph Jordan ("Ralphie" to mudcatters) was supplied with a copy of this at the time he was compiling "unearthed", but the tracks were probably not used (I have not done a detailed comparison). Anyway the relevant info is at http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=684401 and http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=684402 (2 versions were made available) but availability to view these pages and/or download depends on a user having a Dime account, also on persons who have "seeded" it (not an area I am familiar with), which apparently means that it is currently unavailable.

I would be interested to know if persons keen to hear and/or download this material prefer the Dime approach to that on youtube, which latter does actually break their rules regarding copyright material, also they do not officially allow downloads, as kind folk on this thread have informed me... Personally I find Dime a bit of a dog to use, since you have to be an uploader as well as a downloader, have plenty of bandwidth and a PC permanently connected to the net for file sharing, with kinda rules me out anyway. My preference is really for a site such as Sugarmegs where all the download links are readily available, however in mp3 (compressed) format or similar which is a little sub-optimal.

- Tony


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