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Seems like we all like Georgie H.

catmandrew 30 Dec 99 - 05:39 PM
Mbo 30 Dec 99 - 06:44 PM
Mike Billo 30 Dec 99 - 09:26 PM
Mbo 31 Dec 99 - 11:08 AM
catmandrew 31 Dec 99 - 06:22 PM
Jon Freeman 31 Dec 99 - 09:49 PM
Ringer 01 Jan 00 - 12:15 PM
MandolinPaul 02 Jan 00 - 10:36 AM
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Mbo 02 Jan 00 - 10:45 AM
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Subject: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: catmandrew
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 05:39 PM

From all of the responses to the confession thread, it seems that there are many more mudcatters that like ole George. Let's concentrate on that instead of arguing over semantics. What has George done that you liked? How has he influenced you? I'm a gen x'er that remembers his brief rise back on the charts back in the late eighties. I ain't a Beatles fan, but I don't mind em. Still, I respect his authoritah...and I am saddened by this attack. . . catmandrew


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Mbo
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 06:44 PM

Well, I like Jeff Lynne, formerly of The Electric Light Orchestra. Jeff Lynne produced George's album "Cloud 9." When I heard it, I really liked it! I love his slide guitar, and quicky Beatle-esque tunes. Also, I must say that Jeff Lynne and George work smashingly together! So I went back and listened to George's Live In Japan album, and loved that too. Then I went back even further to the Holy Grail of George albums "All Things Must Pass." Ohhh, all those major seventh chords, and orchestral backdrops, and great lyrics...just musical heaven! Of course I also love the Traveling Wilburys, which contained George, Jeff, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, and Roy Orbison. What a gang! What great music! Just classic rock right there. So I can laugh at that joke he made! I really like the Beatles, but I like them even more in their solo efforts (especially collaborations with Jeff Lynne!) Except John Lennon. Don't ask why, but I don't listen to him. George, on the other hand, is my favorite Beatle. His musical influence, as well as the Beatles, which influenced ELO, all are a big part of my musical consciousness. If you listen to some of my Celtic music, you might hear that George influence has had on me.

"Give me love, give me love, give me peace on earth..."

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Mike Billo
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 09:26 PM

Well, to start with, I think you can argue a case for him being perhaps the most under rated guitarist of his generation. During an era when self indugence and over-playing were the norm for so-called "guitar heroes", Harrison played with taste and musicality. Many of his guitar parts stand as nice pieces of music on their own seperate from the lyrics (i.e. "Here Comes The Sun"). In the late '60's and early '70's, while my friends were enthusing over guys like Hendrix, Page, Beck, who I HATED (I know it's blasphemous in most parts to criticize Hendrix. Sorry. I can't stand his playing). Harrison always provided something interesting to listen to and learn. I remember Harrison and Paul Simon dueting on Saturday Night Live and sounding GREAT together. I love Harrison's fingerpicking, and his Carl Perkins influenced Rockabilly playing.


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Mbo
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 11:08 AM

You're right, Mike. At the risk of offending folks, Hendrix and Beck and Van Halen relied on guitar pyrotechnics and not realy melody. I don't care for Hendrix much at all. But folks like George Harrison, and Eric Clapton do great melodic work. Beautiful music. On the Live In Japan album, George & Eric played together and sounded great, especially on "Something." Beautiful electric guitar variations on the riffs, very tastefully done, almost classical in structure. And no one can slide like George. It at times can soar and break your heart.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: catmandrew
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 06:22 PM

I have just learned quite a bit from the previous responses about the great Mr. Harrison. I thank you folks for responding so positively to this thread. I always loved ELO's music. I too don't care for Hendrix. I will take Sammy Hagar over Eddie Van Halen any day. George Harrison is a great guitarist... thanks for the cool responses


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 09:49 PM

To be awkward and in view of the thread title, I was never a big fan of the beatles and don't even know the other work of George Harrison let alone decide whether I like him or not.

I suppose as guitarists go, I have admiration for John Willaims and Julian Bream more than the rock stars and once got to play in a pub with somebody called Richard Durrant who I belive that had either stood in for or replaced John Williams in Sky. He was amazing - worst thing about it was he wasn't playing guitar, he was using my banjo and at least 10 years later, I still don't know how to do what he did with it.

Folk wise, probably my favourite guitarist is Chris Newman who also plays jazz and was once a member of Boys of the Lough although musicman put me onto a recording of David Sinclair and that was amazing. If I hadn't been told, I would have sworn that there were 3 guitars going at one point.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Ringer
Date: 01 Jan 00 - 12:15 PM

Oh: I thought we were talking about GeorgeH


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 10:36 AM

I don't like much of what the Beatles made once they stopped bastardizing old rockabilly tunes, and I haven't really heard much of George solo. I have a David Bromberg album that has George playing on The Holdup; kind of a cool tune.

You won't find me arguing against Mike Billo's opinions on Hendrix. I think he is personally to blame for the fact that most modern electric blues guitarists feel the need to indulge themselves with seven minute shredding solos. OK, so maybe Clapton's work with John Mayall is a little to blame as well ... and Stevie Ray Vaughan is definitely to blame for carrying the torch on.

The main reason I got into folk music, and fell out of love with the blues, is because I just got sick of listening to all of these guitar-slingers; the solo should be a part of the song, in contrast to the song being a break between solos.

The thing I like most about folk music, and old blues, is that it has a discernable, whistle-able tune. That's how I can usually tell if I like a song; is it whistle-able? Ever try to whistle Voodoo Child?

Paul.


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: MandolinPaul
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 10:41 AM

Goddam. That reads like hate-mail. I swear, I'm not sitting here with pictures of Hendrix, Vaughan and Clapton on my walls, and dreaming of taking them out from a grassy knoll.

Especially not the first two. I would imagine they're pretty hard targets.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 10:45 AM

Paul, I think if you took a little listen to some of George's solo works, I think you might like them. His solos are never intrusive, like some other folks' music. Actually you find those long solos on the early album "All Things Must Pass," but most of the solos where being done by the backup band, and not George. If you want pure music, listen to "Cloud 9." Especially listen to the slide solo in "Somewhere Else." The simplistic beauty of it puts heavy fireworks men like Hendrix and Vaughn to shame!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: Seems like we all like Georgie H.
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 Jan 00 - 11:24 AM

Well, totally biased, I think the postBeatle efforts of everyone were not very interesting, with the exceptions of "Maybe I'm Amazed" (done during the late Beatle days, released as a solo), "Working Class Hero" (the only truly scary song from John's scream phase), one of the Ringo jollies, and one of two of George's pieces from "All Things Must Pass". There are also one or two fragments of good songs from Paul's endless later drivel. Paul's Russian album is probably the best of the lot -- better than John's similar rock cover. I think if you put all the best of the later work together of all of them, you might have one mediocre Beatles album (like Yellow Submarine). It is just one of those puzzles about creativity. They all go to prove that unlimited self-expression is not always a good thing.

George's best post-Beatle moment, I think, is the Concert for BanglaDesh, which in spite of the complications, was something new and decent, and started a trend that was pretty narcissistic, but did generate some good moneys for good causes. yours, Peter T.


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