BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:31 PM

Terrible shouty show. I couldn't pick out a "winner." Johnson got away with murder. Gove was obsessed with Corbyn. He excoriated him three times but no-one else mentioned him. Shades of the 2017 Tory election campaign. Javid, what a bloody lightweight. Stewart tried so hard to be different and honest that he came across as a dishonest Tory. God help us.

Mind you, the questioners were a breath of fresh air. Someone tell Boris to try to remember their names. Especially if they're Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:42 PM

Agreed. The only interesting moment was when Javid forced everyone to agree to an independent investigation into Tory party Islamophobia. But no doubt that will be quickly forgotten.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 04:46 PM

My complaint is that I could not download the programme to watch in HD, I don't do ordinary quality from youtube if it can be avoided!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:00 PM

You didn't miss much. Watch a couple of episodes of Fawlty Towers instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:51 PM

Good idea!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 06:54 PM

My preferences are Johnson first and Gove second. I was surprised to find that Mr Hunt showed better than I had expected and, if Mr Scott remains a Tory, he might well be a leader in the future. Opinions I've heard suggest that Boris is poor on detail but good on delegation. Not a bad profile for PM. Gove is smart but not a Karisma King.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:07 PM

Johnson is going to win and is going to have an extremely short career at the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:24 PM

That's an interesting suggestion. Should Jeremy Corbyn initiate a Vote of Confidence and win there would be a general election.

Jeremy Corbyn is a pro Brexit leader of an anti Brexit party. Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party. They are both charismatic. Can't you see that the odds are against Labour?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:25 PM

Jeremy Corbyn voted remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:27 PM

"Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party"

I'm not at all sure of that statement Stanron. The past three years have not lent themselves to that viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:38 PM

From wiki on Corbyn and the EU.

...in September 2015, Corbyn said that Labour would campaign for Britain to stay in the EU regardless of the result of Cameron's negotiations, and instead pledged "to reverse any changes" if Cameron reduced the rights of workers or citizens... He also believed that Britain should play a crucial role in Europe by making demands about working arrangements across the continent, the levels of corporation taxation and in forming an agreement on environmental regulation...

...Corbyn made a speech on April 14, 2016, in which he supported staying in the EU...He summarised his stance as being "for 'Remain – and Reform' in Europe....

...In June 2016, in the run-up to the EU referendum, Corbyn said that there was an "overwhelming case" for staying in the EU. In a speech in London, Corbyn said "We, the Labour Party, are overwhelmingly for staying in, because we believe the European Union has brought investment, jobs and protection for workers, consumers and the environment".

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:40 PM

Johnson isn't currently the leader of anything. And he started off as a remainer, lest we forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:41 PM

Was that a free for all contest scrapping it out to establish who has the biggest dick,
or who is the biggest dick...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:42 PM

Both. And it was a five-way tie.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 07:45 PM

Well let's let the echo chamber continue. It wont alter election results.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 19 - 08:07 PM

Neither will your factual inaccuracies. Though I suppose you're merely taking a leaf out of your hero's book there.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:22 AM

I think we need a general election, or a second referendum

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 02:22 AM

A precedent has already happened for a second referndum ,ireland and the lisbon treaty

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 03:19 AM

"Boris is a pro Brexit leader of a pro Brexit party"

King Boris is a turncoat. Or floating voter if you prefer?

It wont alter election results. It already has. He already has. They already have.

Corbyn with charisma? He is hiding it very well IMNSHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 03:43 AM

Gove in particular has forgotten the lesson for the Tories from the 2017 election that obsessing over Corbyn instead of telling the electorate how you plan to address the issues faced by the country loses you your majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 05:22 AM

Standard Tory deflection tactic, practised almost non-stop by The Praying Mantis and, apparently, to be continued by The Lying Scottish Viper in the unlikely event he's elected as leader...

Q. "How will you effect our Leaving the EU with a deal?"
A. "Look over there - Jeremy Corbyn!".

As I said earlier, a Grade A cockwomble amongst cockwombles.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:23 AM

I'm reluctant to say but as much as I dislike* him
Baldy Bonce seemed to be the most normal bloke with any real substance to be a leader...


[* but then, none of 'em are what could be called likeable...]


If we are doomed to a tory govt for at least another 5 years
then Rory might be the most sensible and humane,
..so he don't stand a chance being selected...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:31 AM

A bit I found interesting was that Gove said on TV today that the Conservative party did have racists within it's ranks and that they needed to be rooted out and dismissed from the party.

I wonder if he was referring to Piccaninny, Watermelon, Letterbox Johnson.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 09:47 AM

It's like trying to chose between Darth Vader and Lex Luther

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 10:37 AM

Gove's awkward attempt to compete, impress, and win against the bigger boys
made himself look even more pathetic than usual..

"me.. me..me.. me..me.. me..
I thought of all the cleverest things first
and done it better than all the other boys..
Pick me.. pick me.. pick me...
I'm the bestest at everything...!!!!!

.. and that Corbyn is a very nasty smelly oik...
..pleeeaaase bully him instead of me.."

Can the precocious little pipsqueak ever reach puberty...???


The fascinating undercurrent in tory governments
is that as they mostly all went to the same top public schools;
the kids that were bullies, their victims,
the ones that sexually abused the smaller boys in dorms when they could get away with it..
The rugger thugs and the scared emotionally scarred little boys..

That's all carried with them as adults into parliament..
Those old school relationships still underly their interactions as politicians
crammed in the hothouse of the Commons...

Weird to think about.. innit...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 11:04 AM

"I wonder if he was referring to Piccaninny, Watermelon, Letterbox Johnson."

Then there's his homophobia ("tank-topped bum boys") and his sexism ("voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts" and, at the 2012 Olympics, when Mayor of London, "the magnificent experience of watching semi-naked women playing beach volleyball ... glistening like wet otters.")

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:22 PM

Not allowing for him allowing a poem to be published in his magazine that called for the elimination of all Scots.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:34 PM

Come on lads.. we might detest the tory buggers,
but let's not get too puritanical and lose our sense of humour...

That just gives even more ammunition to the hard right
in their propaganda war on humourless snow flake control freak lefty 'fascists'...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:50 PM

Steve Shaw: Mind you, the questioners were a breath of fresh air. Someone tell Boris to try to remember their names. Especially if they're Muslims.
That last sentence looks to me like discrimination. "Positive discrimination" is considered permissible in certain, restricted, circumstances. Otherwise "positive discrimination" is just discrimination with a different target.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 12:54 PM

Please God, make it stop....

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:03 PM

Yeah.. right wing nutters really don't like positive discrimination...

Obviously it can be applied in a clumsy flawed manner..
It's not perfect..

but sadly still necessary...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:17 PM

So Rory Stewart gone now. I am surprised he got this far, and it was going to be a matter of whether he was knocked out this round or next, but I think he finished things at the debate last night, by not being very distinctive on one hand, and telling too many uncomfortable truths on the other.

A battle of the fantasists from now on.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:21 PM

Well Nigel I would have thought Steve's comment was more in regard of Johnson's unwillingness or inability to pronounce unusual (in his sphere) names.

The Spanish have a word for the likes of Johnson .. Mansanarsehole.


With apologies to Les Barker.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 01:51 PM

Well, Nigel, let me explain. Bozza couldn't bring up the name of the questioner, very remiss of him and bad form in debates of this type. The questioner happened to be a Muslim. Bozza happens to have offended the Muslim community recently by referring to some Muslim women as letterboxes. My comment was a suggestion that Johnson should have been far more careful in the circumstances. Not hard, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 04:36 PM

I don't think I am aware of anyone who waffles as much drivel as Johnson.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 04:40 PM

Ye Gods Bonzo, we are agreed upon something !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 04:48 PM

Well there you go!!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM

Gove waffles quite a lot of drivel, but not as much as Bozo.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Jun 19 - 06:45 PM

60,000 or so Tories will vote for whoever will meet their self-serving interests, and who ever wins will spout that those 60,000 represent the will of the 68,000,000 people, and therefore feel justified in ****ing up the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 02:58 AM

it is like watching a country disappear in an economic quick sand

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 05:29 AM

Wonder what's happened to our Resident Brainwashed Right-Wing Extremist and his tiny band of equally-brainwashed cohorts? Obviously they must be too ashamed and embarrassed by the performance of the new boy-band, 'No Direction', in the TV debate on Tuesday evening. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 06:06 AM

I thought they were called "Take Twat"?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:25 AM

So until 3.30 we are down to which of these three flavours of shit
would you prefer the taste of...???

After 3.30 they'll be reduced to the top two favourite shites...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 10:39 AM

Gove waffles drivel, with Johnson its more bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 10:50 AM

Well the token ethnic chappie served his purpose long enough
to try to establish tory party credibility
as a no longer completely racist by default party...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 01:11 PM

So it's Bozza versus Gift to cockney rhyming slang...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 01:13 PM

Two cunts then?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 01:27 PM

Hunt has a narrow face that looks like it would fit in easily in the gap between two bum cheeks..

Perhaps how he's got so far up in the tory party...?????

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 03:13 PM

Backwoods man .............. please let the opposition use the foul language.

I like to think those of us on this side are made of better stuff

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 04:23 PM

I heard Boris discussed by BBC reporters as if he is the most Trump-like of the lot, and also the most likely to wind up in power.

I've got nothing but confidence in how this is going to turn out!