BS: Conservative Leadership Contest

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 05:10 PM

There are wealthy vultures all around the world
eying up British assets they can buy up for a bargain after brexit...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 05:50 PM

And there are plenty of greedy bastards in the UK very happy to sell those assets off to them...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 08:28 PM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 03:13 PM
Backwoods man .............. please let the opposition use the foul language.
I like to think those of us on this side are made of better stuff


It's much too late to try to stop him now. Unfortunately it seems to be a common characteristic for one side of the argument to use those sort of terms.

"You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses . . ."

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:21 PM

"It's much too late to try to stop him now. Unfortunately it seems to be a common characteristic for one side of the argument to use those sort of terms."

..absolute bollocks...

Swearing is a robust much enjoyed Great British tradition creatively practised by all types of folks,
from all social classes,
and all political persuasions...

So eff off killjoy moralistic puritans...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:27 PM

BWM has been teetotal for years because of medical issues unrelated to alcohol. It ill behoves you to make snide remarks of the sort you made in your last post, Nigel. Incredibly unfunny even by your standards.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 09:40 PM

..and I've been mostly teetotal for over a decade through my own free choice,
and because I'm too skint after the tory austerity for most of that decade...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 11:27 PM

And I couldn’t care less what a po-faced, holier-than-thou, nit-picking nitwit thinks (or even what ‘those of us on this side’ think) about the way I express myself. When someone chooses to attack my use of language rather than address the issue I raise, I’m happy because it demonstrates they have no counter-argument.

From my experience of many years of working and socialising with people from pretty much every layer of society, I can inform The Nitpicker that use of ‘bad language’ is universal and not in any way an indication of an individual’s social ‘class’. His excoriation of my choice of words is, of course, an example of attempting to occupy the ‘high moral ground’ in order to gain advantage. As a tactic, that only works when the adversary it’s used against has even a scintilla of respect for his critic, or his critic’s opinions. Where The Nitpicker is concerned, I have none.

And, AFAIC, an occasional expletive is as nothing when compared with some of the racist, fascistic opinions expressed on this forum by the R-WE element and, if those people are ‘offended’ by a swear-word, that’s their problem, not mine - it’s not something I have any intention of eating shit over.

I refer my critics to Rhett Butler’s final words to Scarlett O’Hara in the Margaret Mitchell classic.

So, back to the thread topic, the Conservative Leadership Contest. Anything constructive, instructive, or informative to say, Nigs?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 12:29 AM

And, although it’s none of The Nitpicker’s business, I can confirm that Steve is correct - serious medical issues unconnected to alcohol consumption, which necessitated two major open abdominal surgeries, multiple spells in hospital, and very careful adjustment to my diet, have necessitated my abstinence from alcohol since late 2005.

So The Nitpicker can take his clever-shit ‘man what boozes’ comment, roll it up carefully, and shove it up his big, fat, hairy arse.

Nit-pick that.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 01:37 AM

There are times when an argument or point is so ludicrous, trivial or extreme that the only sensible answer is "Fuck Off".

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:02 AM

Final round (20/6):

    Boris: 160
    Hunt: 77
    Gove: 75 ELIMINATED

Fourth round (20/6):

    Boris: 157
    Gove: 61
    Hunt: 59
    Saj: 34 ELIMINATED

Third round (19/6):

    Boris: 143 (126)
    Hunt: 54 (46)
    Gove: 51 (41)
    Saj: 38 (33)
    Rory: 27 (37) ELIMINATED

Second round (18/6):

    Boris: 126
    Hunt: 46
    Gove: 41
    Rory: 37
    Saj: 33
    Raab: 30 ELIMINATED

First round (13/6):

    Boris: 114
    Hunt: 43
    Gove: 37
    Raab: 27
    Saj: 23
    Hancock: 20 (WITHDREW 14/6)
    Stewart: 19
    Leadsom: 11 ELIMINATED
    Harper: 10 ELIMINATED
    McVey: 9 ELIMINATED

Over to the Tory members, in five weeks we should have a new Prime Minister…to wipe the floor with compo corbyn.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 03:30 AM

See my previous post :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 04:48 AM

Best summary I have seen (from a QC so used to incisive summaries)

Soon, a leader who wasn't elected of a government without a majority will promise an outcome that can't be delivered to a group that isn't representative then impose it on a public that doesn't want it

Makes you proud to be British...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:06 AM

No Dave, it makes me ashamed that the majority of the electorate who didn't vote Leave are being railroaded by the minority who did, into something that will prove to be of little or no benefit to them, but which will benefit those behind the scenes who brainwashed them with a series of lies and racist, xenophobic tropes enormously.

Never have so many been led down the road to disaster by so few.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 07:49 AM

A By-Election just announced in Brecon & Radnorshire to replace the thieving Tory scrote who has been convicted of stealing from decent tax-paying citizens by falsifying his expenses claims.

Just what a new, unelected PM doesn't need! Pass the popcorn!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 10:37 AM

Mister 'unt
THe well known politician

or


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFuUaCe8eY

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 10:48 AM

Al - you're surely the man to give us a rewrite for our times...

The obvious substitute lyric is "the wanker" or "the shyster"...

But we're happy to leave it up to you...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 11:16 AM

The Brecon & Radnorshire seat was held by the Liberal Democrats from 1997 until 2015, when Davies won it. He increased his majority in 2017.

So the Conservatives will be under significant pressure from the Lib Dems on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. In that situation all the party leaders often go to great lengths to visit the seat to try to boost the vote.

My feeling is that Boris will not, or only as rarely as he can get away with, as he will not want to be associated with a failure to win the seat at that stage in the game.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 12:01 PM

Boris can send Mark Field instead. By all accounts he is very strong on law and order!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 12:13 PM

Did he cop a good feel,
or are even inebriated lascivious tories too aware there are phone cams
everywhere these days...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 12:56 PM

Did he cop a good feel,

Security was obviously breached. Having someone storn in the room must be perceived as a threat especially in the light of lunatic comedians threatening to throw battery acid over people. The one protestor was collared heading straight towards the chancellor, and this three years after an MP was assassinated.

And of course there is the lefty John McDonnell who has been busy retweeting his outrage today at Mark Field’s response, while carefully overlooking his speech to a Unison audience:
    “I’m getting worse. I sit in Parliament opposite a group of multi-millionaires, who are cutting these services with alacrity. My problem is I’m beginning to feel physical towards them. These people need a good slapping.

    My McAliskey moment is coming to me, and I’ve already been thrown out for grabbing the mace once.”

With idiots on the loose encouraged by leftards it is no surprise the valiant Mr. Smith leapt to the defence of the chancellor by restraining the aberrant creature. After all it was in the best traditions of the SAS- Who Dares wins.

Not at all like the leftards- all mouth and no trousers. The man deserves a knighthood.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 01:08 PM

a new Prime Minister…to wipe the floor with compo corbyn.

and that is all he will be able to do - aim low.

There will be little on the table for him to bargain with.

Now answer me this - how is the man who claimed wouldn't allow Twitler to grace the Capital going to do a deal with him?

Without eating shit first that is.............

It was a foregone conclusion from the start, the whole race for PM is a sideshow to distract people from being constantly reminded of their inability to agree in parliament or even in their own party!

Rule 1 in warfare is to create a side issue and make it look bigger than the real problem (theat you can't handle).

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 01:26 PM

The Tory bully boy should be charged with common assault if nothing else. It is a good measure of these people that the only ones they stand up to are those they perceive as defenceless. The lady in question had far more courage than he had. At least he has been suspended and shown the world the true Tory colours. She has, up to now, shown true integrity and says she will not press charges. I hope she changes her mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 01:36 PM

Iains - you've had all this afternoon, is that the best you can contrive...

Taking some obvious lighted hearted jokey comments so literally..

The hoarde of loony right zealots on youtube are far more potentially dangerous in the real world,

But it's so convenient for you to ignore their 'fantasist' threats of extreme violence to lefties and liberals...

You'd be better advised taking them seriously.
Not all will be jokey banter and empty threats...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 01:49 PM

She could easily have been an ISIS terrorist in drag.

How easily the left conveniently forget the Brighton Bombing where 5 were killed and 31 injured,
Airey Neave blown up in his car
The attemted mortar attack on downing street
Jo Cox murdered

The foolwoman was very lucky no one broke a chair over her head.
She was hardly there to offer benediction now was she?

It is time the Charity Commissioners pulled the plug on greenpeace, they are nothing but eco-terrorists these days.

Why MR Field apologised escapes me. THere must be a raft of charges that could be thrown at her. Only swivel eyed loons with rose tinted specs can think the creature is innocent of any offense. A threat is a threat and must be dealt with accordingly. Bombs do not shower the participants with rose petals or confetti. Anyone breaking into a dinner of the great and the good in order to disrupt it must expect a response.
In many countries it would be a bullet.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:10 PM

Iain's - crikey.. talk about making a meal of it...!!!

All that says is that you are running on the fumes...


Even the teenage wannabe far right thug fanatics
on YouTube could scrape together a stronger retaliation with a firmer grounding in reality...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:26 PM

Iains - btw.. it's 2019...

As much as you're desperate enough to delve even further back in history..

The only atrocity on your list recent and relevent enough to our modern era
was perpertrated against a Labour politician by a right wing extremist..

Just in case you needed reminding sufficiently to regain a proper perspective...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:39 PM

Pfr you must have led a sheltered life in sheltered places. The real world can be brutal at times.


Incidentally The murder of Jo Cox
77-year-old Bernard Carter-Kenny intervened in that attack, and got hurt.

He was awarded the George Medal for bravery, because intervening to defend another person is bravery.

Today's crying snowflakes, including Theresa May, should remember that

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:53 PM

Iains.. what...!!!???

I passed through a London station merely hours before it was bombed..

I was sat on the bog and felt the pressure wave when Canary Wharf bomb detonated..

Our home was that close...

But all that was a half a lifetime ago...
Our old Irish enemies are now becoming elderly men
trying to come to terms with peace in a changing modern world...
Any that are still clinging on to those troubles with hope of continuing their brutal conflict
are useles fukwits who deserve what they get...

Now is the present...


Bernard Carter-Kenny - that bloke's a hero.. so wtf is your point bringing him into it..???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 02:55 PM

Of course had it been Jezza it would have been a right hook and game over.
Or if 80 years old and calling Jacj Straw a liar:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1499466/Heckler-82-who-dared-called-Straw-a-liar-is-held-under-terrorist-law.html

A different story for labour?

The fact remains the lunatic made a forced entry, she was clutching a handbag. She posed a threat. The Mansion House Banquet is a collection of high level targets.
. What was in her bag? Hand grenade? Was the pin pulled as she ran towards the top table? That it was a woman sadly now means nothing. Would the Chancellor's Protection Officer have shot her if she had got closer, with the bag? In other, not so different circumstances, the media would have been acclaiming a hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 03:05 PM

Iains - your 'what ifs' and 'what about thems' are usually stretching reality to absurdity,
but today you have pushed yourself over the edge into hysteria...

Take a breather, and try to relocate the plot...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 04:44 PM

Smoke without fire is an expression I have read recently on here in relation to Labour party politicians.

Does it also apply to conservatives I ask myself?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 04:45 PM

Difficult to know whether Iains has lost it more than Johnson. Police now called to an altercation at the flat that Johnson shares with his latest piece of fluff. "Get off me and get out of my flat". Domestic abuse unit need to look into this. With him and Field, there should be a lot of work here for anger management counsellors.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:01 PM

Johnson is terrified he is going to win this contest. He may have decided that a night or two in the police cells may be preferable.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:15 PM

And in the Guardian article in the link, it states that the lady in question, one Carrie Symonds "has been credited with revitalising his appearance". What??? Then just look at the picture attached to the article. if that appearance is revitalised, he must have looked like Herman Munster before.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:27 PM

From the sacred Daily Mash, which usually manages to inject a grain of truth...

THE Conservative MP accused of assaulting a Greenpeace protester has apologised to fellow dinner guests for not using lethal force.

Mark Field protected fellow diners from the risk of a person who they may not have agreed with by removing her safely by the neck, but admitted he was criminally negligent for not bringing a weapon with him.

He continued: “I should never have gone to the annual Merchants and Bankers Dinner at Mansion House without being tooled up. What was I thinking?


“I’ve got a whole arsenal at home – pull the Thatcher memoir from the shelves, the wall opens up, 31 guns and 18 edged weapons, backlit – but I had to use my hands, and Parliament’s made me soft.

“What I should have done? Backwards out of the chair, tuck and roll, two warning shots into the torso, tuck and roll into cover, blindfire six rounds, tuck and roll, double-tap to the head.

“Bish bosh. Job done. Round of applause.”

When informed that he may be charged with assault, Field said: “But she’s a lefty.”

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:39 PM

I would just draw your attention to my post of 21 Jun 19 - 01:37 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:55 PM

Yup. And now the silly sod has shat in his own bed via a stupid little drunken domestic. I have a feeling that we're going to get Jeremy C*unt...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 05:58 PM

A complete knobwhoppit (aka Tory) on TV has just said BoJo is a man of the people because he acts just like most people do. What sort of circles do these arseholes move in?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 07:06 PM

Eton pigshead fu*ck*ing bubbles, that's what, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jun 19 - 11:17 PM

What an entertaining larf to celebrate summer solstice..
what is he like...

So if he is forced to quit the leadership contest for being a loud abusive pisshead chav,
does that make Hunt the winner..
or do they bring back Gove...???

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:16 AM

Good question. I would assumed Hunt would then go through unopposed, so the vote of the membership would be cancelled.

Of course, we could add to the jollity of the game if the electorate of both Boris's and Hunt's constituencies decided to initiate recall petitions...

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 01:29 AM

Before Nigel leaps in, I realise the electorate do not initiate the recall. It was a joke, of sorts. I was thinking what could possibly make things worse, and with recall petitions in the air, it seemed to me they would do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 02:46 AM

Well the altercation reports in the Gaurdian are just an extension** of what is going on in Westminster. I am sure the Blairs had their moment like all couples, but this does appear to be a little more momentous and more of a concern when looking into the barrel of the Brexshit gun, right now.

** yea, yea. Ex-tension is an unfortunate contra-punning description. But it is early and I left it there because it goes with the whole shitty, messy subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 04:52 AM

There is something of concern that is likely to be overlooked as the Boris Spat Story evolves. The Guardian said:


When contacted by the Guardian on Friday, police initially said they had no record of a domestic incident at the address. But when given the case number and reference number, as well as identification markings of the vehicles that were called out, police issued a statement saying: “At 00:24hrs on Friday, 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour.


There might be any number of good reasons the police initially denied it: rights to privacy, for example, or that the person who answered the phone did not have the information at the time. But there are also good reasons why anyone standing as PM may not have that privacy as an automatic right, given they seek a very public position.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:25 AM

I do not remember deputy Labour PM Prescott being referred to anger management courses, more likely he was influenced by Olivia Newton John's hit "Lets get Physical"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UhME8dcOqc

Was Prescott a man of the people as well? and he was caught in glorious technicolour!

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:36 AM

An egg was thrown at Prescott and he reacted to it. Badly, I agree, but he was responding to an assault.

Field reacted to a woman walking past him without paying him any attention ("storming" in your prejorative term) and based on no evidence whatever, he attacked her.

So compare the two: who physically attacked first in each case?

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 05:40 AM

Careful DMcG it's another case of "oh look over there", studiously avoiding the real issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:05 AM

Isn't it always?

You are waiting for Iains to respond to your question of a few days ago. I am still waiting for Nigel - he who insists on absolute precision - to say what he means by 'short term' in the context of possible 'short term' downsides to a no deal. I've been waiting months for an answer, which I want expressed in days, weeks, month, years or decades rather than vague handwaving. And I am happy to have this broken down by issue if it helps, since it is only reasonable that some problems will be resolved faster than others. At least one Brexit Party candidate for the EU elections had the honesty to say she thought it would take thirty years to resolve all the issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 06:22 AM

My last post was off topic, I am afraid. It would be better on the Brexit thread.

Sticking to the Conservative leader questions, while Brexit understandably looms large, we at least have some idea of what they intend to do apart from magically resolve Brexit, since we have had comments about taxation, for example. I think Boris' plan for raising the higher rate tax boundary to £80,000 will disappear into the far distance: it was useful for persuading MPs who all get just under that as a salary to vote for him. Now those votes are pocketed the "ambition" can be downgraded further - a "long term aim", perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Conservative LeadershipContest
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 19 - 07:01 AM

I was about to say that he could emulate the Maybot, who, as Home Secretary, downgraded her promises on immigration to "aspirations"...